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Mr_Tomahawk 07-31-2015 07:46 AM

Russel Wilson and Friends agree to deal.
 
<blockquoteclass="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Russell Wilson and the Seahawks have agreed to a 4-year, $87.6-million extension, per source.</p>&mdash; Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) <a href="https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/627112594537607168">July 31, 2015</a></blockquote> <script asyncsrc="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Discuss Thrower 07-31-2015 07:48 AM

"Overrated" -CP

BossChief 07-31-2015 07:49 AM

Guaranteed?

Just a hair under Aaron Rodgers deal...

BigMeatballDave 07-31-2015 07:51 AM

Only a 4-yr deal? Interesting. Smart move by Seattle.

nychief 07-31-2015 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11629094)
Only a 4-yr deal? Interesting. Smart move by Seattle.

smart move by russell.

BossChief 07-31-2015 07:58 AM

60m guaranteed

O.city 07-31-2015 08:02 AM

Doesn't look like he got the 25 per he was supposedly asking for

BigMeatballDave 07-31-2015 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 11629098)
smart move by russell.

How so?

O.city 07-31-2015 08:06 AM

4 years, can angle for another big deal whilst in his prime

-King- 07-31-2015 08:12 AM

Haha.
Posted via Mobile Device

RunKC 07-31-2015 08:13 AM

Kam holding out. They are running outta money

Amnorix 07-31-2015 08:13 AM

30 years old when the contract ends, so he will get at least one more huge payday, assuming his performance remains very good.

Seems like a smart deal for both sides. Seattle is doing an excellent job of locking up all its best players for the long haul.

Amnorix 07-31-2015 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11629134)
Kam holding out. They are running outta money


Kam will report and play under his existing contract eventually, almost without doubt. He extended early, and for less, and now regrets it. Too bad for him but it's what he's got.

The next big one to deal with is Wagner.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-31-2015 08:14 AM

Wish I was a Seahawks fan

BigMeatballDave 07-31-2015 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11629120)
4 years, can angle for another big deal whilst in his prime

Ah, true. I was looking at the team's POV. The contract expires before exiting his prime. In case things don't continue on the path they're on.

-King- 07-31-2015 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 11629138)
Wish I was a Seahawks fan

Nothing's stopping you
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BigMeatballDave 07-31-2015 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 11629138)
Wish I was a Seahawks fan

There's the door-----> http://images.footballfanatics.com/F...5_xl.jpg&w=400Don't let it hit you on the ass on your way out.

Amnorix 07-31-2015 08:19 AM

No question but that Schneider is doing a hell of a job. He really needs to win an executive of the year award.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-31-2015 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11629141)
Nothing's stopping you
Posted via Mobile Device

Am I Mav or something? Let's go Chefs!

Hootie 07-31-2015 08:54 AM

weird! Dane wrong again ... who woulda thought?

Hootie 07-31-2015 08:55 AM

Gee! I really thought the Seahawks were going to let him get away ...

Oh wait. No I didn't. Because I'm not a ****ing moron.

Chiefnj2 07-31-2015 09:03 AM

Overpaid. He's not better than Alex Smith. / 60% of CP

RunKC 07-31-2015 09:03 AM

interesting article on the 2016 Seahawk FA's.

http://sea.247sports.com/Bolt/Seattl...lance-38245143

A lot of starters on that team will be gone next year. Gotta think Dorsey will be looking to snatch one up.

Hootie 07-31-2015 09:07 AM

I'd like to see Dane's thoughts on this?

Apparently the Hawks were gonna trade him for 2 picks, according to Dane, because he clearly wasn't worth the money ...

and then he signs for Aaron Rodgers money

Just super weird!

Dane?

RunKC 07-31-2015 09:12 AM

Bobby Wagner just tweeted this. He gone.

@Bwagz54: Can't keep everyone

Saul Good 07-31-2015 09:12 AM

They were going to let him walk and then sign Matt Ryan after Atlanta declined to offer him a contract.

Hootie 07-31-2015 09:20 AM

I'm just super shocked they didn't let a two time NFC Champion (in a 3 year career) test free agency. Shocked, I tell ya

thabear04 07-31-2015 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11629228)
Bobby Wagner just tweeted this. He gone.

@Bwagz54: Can't keep everyone

Plus Kam wants a new contract.

RealSNR 07-31-2015 09:26 AM

There were going to be casualties as soon as they gave their QB a real contract.

Wagner's probably going to leave.

Eleazar 07-31-2015 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 11629205)
Overpaid. He's not better than Alex Smith. / 60% of CP

He is getting paid almost exactly like Alex Smith.

RunKC 07-31-2015 09:27 AM

Seahawks better make this year count bc they are losing a lot of really good players in 2016.

BigBeauford 07-31-2015 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11629135)
30 years old when the contract ends, so he will get at least one more huge payday, assuming his defense'sperformance remains very good.

Seems like a smart deal for both sides. Seattle is doing an excellent job of locking up all its best players for the long haul.

FTFY

Saul Good 07-31-2015 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11629244)
I'm just super shocked they didn't let a two time NFC Champion (in a 3 year career) test free agency. Shocked, I tell ya

Shocking things are shocking.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9486348)
Speculation? What's the speculation?

Matt Ryan has been an underperforming NFL QB. Period. Like Matt Stafford, he hasn't been a Franchise QB. He's led them to ONE playoff game in 5 seasons, yet the GM has bent over backwards to surround him with talent.

Unless the Falcons win the Super Bowl next year (not likely), it wouldn't surprise me to see them move on to a different QB.

Why pay Matt Ryan $15 million a year when he can't win shit?


Hootie 07-31-2015 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11629268)
Shocking things are shocking.

I wish I was good at searching so I could laugh at Dane's comments on the Wilson extension, his thoughts on cutting Berry who had cancer, etc...

For knowing it all ... He uh, knows very little !

RealSNR 07-31-2015 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11629274)
I wish I was good at searching so I could laugh at Dane's comments on the Wilson extension, his thoughts on cutting Berry who had cancer, etc...

For knowing it all ... He uh, knows very little !

We all use this nifty little tool for all of our searches.

It's called Google. You should get one.

Eleazar 07-31-2015 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629264)
He is getting paid almost exactly like Alex Smith.

Edit - misread the OP. So,

Smith: 4 / $68, $18m bonus + $45m guaranteed ($17m avg)
Wilson: 4 / $87, $31m bonus + $60m guaranteed ($21.75m avg)

Wilson is the second highest paid QB in the league now.

Whether you think Wilson is as great as ESPN does or you think he's overrated, he's being overpaid compared to his peers. But Seattle has to factor in the cost and risk of replacing him, not just his quality as a franchise QB.

Eleazar 07-31-2015 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11629274)
I wish I was good at searching so I could laugh at Dane's comments on the Wilson extension, his thoughts on cutting Berry who had cancer, etc...

For knowing it all ... He uh, knows very little !

Pretty much everyone here thought Berry was done. I have tried to explain that he didn't have the same thing an elderly relative you may have saw struggle with cancer had, that Berry's was very treatable, but no one seemed to take notice. (I'm surprised he is back in pads this year vs next year but I thought he would be back) Dane's view was shared by almost everyone here, he wasn't sticking his neck out to be dumb.

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 09:38 AM

Russel Wilson and Friends agree to deal.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11629268)
Shocking things are shocking.


Dane argued with me when I said the Bengals should think about moving on from Dalton if they don't win a playoff game this season.

Hypocrite.

RunKC 07-31-2015 09:38 AM

4 of their 5 starting OL including Okung and Sweezy
Baldwin and Kearse
Irvin
Wagner
3 of their 4 DT's including Mebane
Lane

All these guys are as good as gone. Damn

Eleazar 07-31-2015 09:40 AM

I remember the heady days when CP was talking about self immolating if we took Okung.

Brock 07-31-2015 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629264)
He is getting paid almost exactly like Alex Smith.

No

31 million signing bonus vs 19
60 million guaranteed vs 45

A lot more money

O.city 07-31-2015 09:49 AM

As long as Seattle drafts well, I don't think it will.be as big of a deal to lose some of those guys

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11629187)
weird! Dane wrong again ... who woulda thought?

Wrong about what? Did Wilson get $25 million per?

No, he did not.

Also, ****bag, "Every ball" wasn't under-flated by a pound.

LMAO

You're such a ****ing moron.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11629268)
Shocking things are shocking.

Wonderful. Bring up quotes from 2 years ago.

STFU

BTW, what has Matt Ryan won since then?

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629283)
Dane argued with me when I said the Bengals should think about moving on from Dalton if they don't win a playoff game this season.

Hypocrite.

LMAO

The Bengals are paying him $9.6 million this year, not $17, not $21.9.

Who are they going to get to replace Dalton at that price?

RealSNR 07-31-2015 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11629322)
LMAO

The Bengals are paying him $9.6 million this year, not $17, not $21.9.

Who are they going to get to replace Dalton at that price?


Tyler Bray

Eleazar 07-31-2015 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11629329)
Tyler Bray

Exactly

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11629329)
Tyler Bray

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629338)
Exactly

But the 22 year old butt**** just said I'm a hypocrite?

LMAO

This forum gets dumber with each passing day.

Hootie 07-31-2015 10:10 AM

Someone link me to the Russell thread about trading two picks for him please. Would like more laughs at Danes expense

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11629352)
Someone link me to the Russell thread about trading two picks for him please. Would like more laughs at Danes expense

More proof that you're a ****ing moron.

Did Wilson get $25 million per? No.

Now shut the **** up and get back to cleaning up the toilets.

Eleazar 07-31-2015 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11629356)
More proof that you're a ****ing moron.

Did Wilson get $25 million per? No.

Now shut the **** up and get back to cleaning up the toilets.

Maybe the Seahawks had a 20% off coupon?

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11629322)
LMAO

The Bengals are paying him $9.6 million this year, not $17, not $21.9.

Who are they going to get to replace Dalton at that price?


What he's getting paid this season is inconsequential. He is there starting QB for this season and probably 2016 no matter the outcome based on the way his contract is structured.

This year his cap hit is $9.6, next year it jumps to $13, then $14, and it keeps rising until the end of the contract. He's been surrounded by as much talent as any QB in the league on the both sides of the ball and he hasn't even been able to turn in one respectable playoff performance for it.

Ultimately, his situation isn't much different than Matt Ryan and the Falcon's.

RunKC 07-31-2015 10:19 AM

Remember when everyone was freaking out about Alex Smith's contract? Yeah he's not making top 10 money until his last year, which he won't see.

O.city 07-31-2015 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629363)
What he's getting paid this season is inconsequential. He is there starting QB for this season and probably 2016 no matter the outcome based on the way his contract is structured.

This year his cap hit is $9.6, next year it jumps to $13, then $14, and it keeps rising until the end of the contract. He's been surrounded by as much talent as any QB in the league on the both sides of the ball and he hasn't even been able to turn in one respectable playoff performance for it.

Ultimately, his situation isn't much different than Matt Ryan and the Falcon's.

Isn't Dalton structured like Kaepernick, like a 2 year and we'll see kinda thing?

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629363)
What he's getting paid this season is inconsequential. He is there starting QB for this season and probably 2016 no matter the outcome based on the way his contract is structured.

This year his cap hit is $9.6, next year it jumps to $13, then $14, and it keeps rising until the end of the contract. He's been surrounded by as much talent as any QB in the league on the both sides of the ball and he hasn't even been able to turn in one respectable playoff performance for it.

Ultimately, his situation isn't much different than Matt Ryan and the Falcon's.

LMAO

You're embarrassing yourself. JFC, between your whining and justifications about this, Donnie Avery and the new X-Men movie, I wonder if you've begun the transition to SheVirus.

BWillie 07-31-2015 10:23 AM

I think the reason he got such a big contract, was because the Seahawks know that God speaks to Russel Wilson. I mean, he quite possibly is the second coming of the messiah.

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11629375)
Isn't Dalton structured like Kaepernick, like a 2 year and we'll see kinda thing?


Sort of. The dead money if they decide to cut him sometime during the last 4 years of the contract is pretty minimal and totally manageable.

I'm assuming the Bengals structured it that way for a reason.

O.city 07-31-2015 10:25 AM

Shouldn't be surprised about this. Have you guys looked around the league at some of the other qbs? There's alot of shit starting and it doesn't look to be getting a whole lot better

Eleazar 07-31-2015 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11629375)
Isn't Dalton structured like Kaepernick, like a 2 year and we'll see kinda thing?

Yeah, it was very favorable to the team and contained a lot of money that he will never see unless he turns into a great passer.

Eleazar 07-31-2015 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11629091)
Guaranteed?

Just a hair under Aaron Rodgers deal...

"Just a hair"...?


Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed


Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629390)
"Just a hair"...?





Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed





Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.


I think he's talking about the yearly average

Eleazar 07-31-2015 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629392)
I think he's talking about the yearly average

They seem close to we plebs who don't even make $1 million let alone $110 million, but they are almost $25 million apart.

And Rodgers would be getting plenty more if he were on the market today.

And while we are discussing peers, Brady is playing at a discount or he would too.

And Wilson, obviously, is not in the same class as these guys.

Saul Good 07-31-2015 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629390)
"Just a hair"...?


Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed


Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.

It's $23 million richer because it's a year longer. Wilson is getting paid $23 million a year, so the only real difference is the extra year.

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629402)
They seem close to we plebs who don't even make $1 million let alone $110 million, but they are almost $25 million apart.

And Rodgers would be getting plenty more if he were on the market today.

And while we are discussing peers, Brady is playing at a discount or he would too.

And Wilson, obviously, is not in the same class as these guys.


You're arguing about nothing.

The yearly average of the two's contracts is nearly identical. Russell Wilson's is "just a hair" below Rodger's.

Eleazar 07-31-2015 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629412)
You're arguing about nothing.

The yearly average of the two's contracts is nearly identical. Russell Wilson's is "just a hair" below Rodger's.

There's no question about the present value of the two, which is not close, and the contracts wouldn't be close either if negotiated today.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 11:05 AM

Wilson isn't the highest paid player in the game, nor did he get $25 million per year, yet people like Hootie are proclaiming "Victory" because he smartly re-signed with Seattle for a reasonable 2015 and beyond contract.

Chiefsplanet, don't go changin'.

Hoover 07-31-2015 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629390)
"Just a hair"...?


Aaron Rodgers signed a 5 year, $110,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $33,250,000 signing bonus, $54,000,000 guaranteed


Both QBs are likely to see all this money. Rodgers' deal is $23 million richer and he signed it three years ago.

I heard Russell has 60m guaranteed and 31m signing bonus.

So....

RunKC 07-31-2015 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11629308)
As long as Seattle drafts well, I don't think it will.be as big of a deal to lose some of those guys

Their 2 drafts since drafting Russell Wilson have been well below average.

And they had 20 draft picks between those 2 drafts.

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11629417)
There's no question about the present value of the two, which is not close, and the contracts wouldn't be close either if negotiated today.


No one said they would be.

Again, you're arguing about nothing.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 11:18 AM

What's most hilarious about this thread is that Wilson is now under contract with Seattle until the end of the 2019 season, making it a five year deal, not four.

If he sees every penny of this $87.5 million dollar deal, it'll average $17.5 million per.

That's a little different than $25 million per, except if you have remedial math skills like Hootie.

Hootie 07-31-2015 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11629438)
Wilson isn't the highest paid player in the game, nor did he get $25 million per year, yet people like Hootie are proclaiming "Victory" because he smartly re-signed with Seattle for a reasonable 2015 and beyond contract.

Chiefsplanet, don't go changin'.

Only look at guaranteed money ... Unless you're Dane"footinmymouth"McCloud. Then, look at the extra year and extra money!

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11629478)
What's most hilarious about this thread is that Wilson is now under contract with Seattle until the end of the 2019 season, making it a five year deal, not four.

If he sees every penny of this $87.5 million dollar deal, it'll average $17.5 million per.

That's a little different than $25 million per, except if you have remedial math skills like Hootie.


Those are the perks of signing someone to an extension. The player doesn't have to play for peanuts in the final year of his original contract and the team gets to spread out the cap hit/cost over more years.

Hootie 07-31-2015 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629497)
Those are the perks of signing someone to an extension. The player doesn't have to play for peanuts in the final year of his original contract and the team gets to spread out the cap hit/cost over more years.

Dane doesn't understand how to handle being wrong, which is odd, because it happens so frequently

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 11:29 AM

Russel Wilson and Friends agree to deal.
 
Generally speaking, you don't want your young, ascending superstars in a contract year, particularly a QB, because then they've REALLY got you by the balls.

SAUTO 07-31-2015 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629497)
Those are the perks of signing someone to an extension. The player doesn't have to play for peanuts in the final year of his original contract and the team gets to spread out the cap hit/cost over more years.

whats his cap hit this year?

ThaVirus 07-31-2015 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11629521)
whats his cap hit this year?


I don't believe those details have been released yet

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11629499)
Dane doesn't understand how to handle being wrong, which is odd, because it happens so frequently

LMAO

There is no one that's wrong more frequently than you.

And he did not receive $25 million per nor $80 million guaranteed nor $110 million overall.

Shut the **** up, Hootie.

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11629487)
Only look at guaranteed money ... Unless you're Dane"footinmymouth"McCloud. Then, look at the extra year and extra money!

Yeah, Wilson just set a new standard for QB's.

:rolleyes:

SAUTO 07-31-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11629534)
I don't believe those details have been released yet

but you are saying the bonus is spread out over more years because its an extension.


im not sure that true, he's still getting paid 1.5 million base this season by the looks of things

DaneMcCloud 07-31-2015 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11629565)
but you are saying the bonus is spread out over more years because its an extension.


im not sure that true, he's still getting paid 1.5 million base this season by the looks of things

There seems to be confusion about the contract details. I've read that the total value is $87.5 million with $60 million guaranteed, which averages to $21.9 million per.

But I've also read that this four year extension is tacked on to his 2015 season, locking him up until 2019, not 2018.

If that's the case, it's $17.5 million per year.


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