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oaklandhater 10-13-2015 04:38 PM

Why Bob McNair is the worst NFL owner in history
 
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/why...istory-7839734

the Houston Texans, we are often told, are the ideal franchise. The owner doesn’t interfere with the coach or the general manager. The players are paid well and treated as professionals. The team goes out of its way to ignore any player with a troubled history. It’s an organization of which all Houstonians should be proud.

This is all because of Bob McNair, a man treated by many as a saint. The man who brought football back to Houston. A man who wants to win the right way. He’s loyal to the men he hires — only two general managers and only three head coaches in the history of the franchise. His decisions are calculated and not triggered by emotion. The Texans are the ideal, and all the NFL should do things the way McNair does.

No owner in the history of Houston sports has accomplished less with his franchise than Bob McNair. Yet no owner in the history of Houston sports is less criticized than McNair. Who cares if his teams don’t win? It’s not McNair’s fault. He saved football in Houston. He puts smart people in charge of the team. He leaves them alone.

But in 14 seasons, McNair’s Texans have won just 89 games against 124 losses. There are only two playoff seasons, only four winning seasons in those 14 seasons. Can you imagine the treatment Bud Adams would have received from the Houston media if the Oilers had accomplished so little? The Oilers wouldn't be praised as the ideal model. The Oilers would be mocked as a train wreck run by an owner concerned only with making money. There’d be no praise for passing on players with troubled backgrounds; instead, there’d be loud criticism for Adams being willing to stick with unproven players like Alfred Blue instead of taking a chance on a proven veteran like Ray Rice.

Bud Adams is perhaps the most reviled franchise owner in Houston sports history. He’s the guy who blackmailed Harris County into destroying the Astrodome, and the guy who attempted to blackmail the city into building him a downtown domed stadium, then taking his team and splitting for Nashville when he was told no. Adams was mocked endlessly as caring only about money, and for interfering too much with the coaches and general managers. He’s the guy who fired Bum Phillips. The guy who dumped Earl Campbell and Warren Moon.

But Adams actually hired legitimately smart, accomplished people to run his teams. Sid Gillman was a true offensive genius, and Bum Phillips was one of the masterminds behind the 3-4 defense. Jerry Glanville was an accomplished defensive coordinator, and Jack Pardee was a man who coached multiple teams to playoff appearances and who helped shepherd a revolutionary offense into the pro game. Adams might have been quick on the trigger to fire people, but there’s no way that a Rick Smith or a Gary Kubiak would have held onto their jobs for as long as they have (did) without having actually accomplished anything, and it’s doubtful a blowhard with no history of accomplishment like Bill O’Brien would have even been hired by Adams.

Bob McNair is a failure of an owner, everything that Adams was accused of being. There’s no evidence that he cares about winning games or making the playoffs. He’s dumped high-profile, accomplished players when they became too expensive. Sure, he doesn’t fire coaches and staff quickly, but he hires people with no real accomplishments and seems not to care that they’re in over their heads.

And why should McNair care? He rakes in millions of dollars off the league’s TV contracts and off of merchandizing. Every single game is sold out (remember how, even when the Oilers were good, there was always the weekly question of whether the game would sell out and thus be on TV). As long as the games are sold out, as long as he gets the same cash for being on television as the Patriots and Packers do and makes money off of Aaron Rodgers jersey sales, there’s absolutely no reason for McNair to care about putting a winning product out on the field.

There’s money to be made, lots of money to be made, in being a mediocre product that plays it safe and refuses to take chances. Peyton Manning is expensive, so just stick with Matt Schaub. Ray Rice commands a decent price, so just use the excuse of his domestic abuse to save a few bucks and keep using Alfred Blue to back up the injury-prone Arian Foster. Sure, some fans might get upset that the team’s never competitive, but hey, as long as there are millions of suckers willing to pay up for J.J. Watt merchandise, why change?

Bob McNair is, without a doubt, the worse owner in the history of Houston sports. But there’s absolutely no reason for him to change. He’s making money. He’s everything that Bud Adams was accused of being, and it’s time the fans and the media started treating McNair the way they treated Adams.

McNair deserves contempt; he deserves fan anger. Not that it’ll matter, not that it’ll actually change anything. Not as long as he’s making millions upon millions of dollars a year by fielding a largely non-competitive, mediocre product year after year after year.

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 04:39 PM

Wonder how long it will be before the KC media start's ripping in to Clark.

Dayze 10-13-2015 04:42 PM

a LONG time.
seems Clark gets a pass in this town. It's always someone else's fault. I can't think of the last time anyone in the media legitimately called out Clark. sometimes the media infers that ownership might be a problem, but it's quickly glossed over.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-13-2015 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800163)
Wonder how long it will be before the KC media start's ripping in to Clark.

The difference this time, is that the guys across the parking lot are serious ****ing business now.

This is going to be a beautiful ride.

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11800172)
The difference this time, is that the guys across the parking lot are serious ****ing business now.

This is going to be a beautiful ride.

Some of the crap they are ripping on mcnair for you can say Clark is equally guilty of.

Baby Lee 10-13-2015 04:46 PM

Come on

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...nows-no-bounds

Dayze 10-13-2015 04:46 PM

if the Royals win the WS, it's gonna be scorched earth or the Chiefs will be an afterthought. This town and and fans only have so many dollars to spend on their favorite team / entertainment dollars. If you have a few grand to blow as part of your entertainment budget, would you spend it on the Royals or the ****ing Chiefs?

LMAO
I don't even like /follow baseball all that much, but if I had a stash of cash burning a hole in my pocket and had to choose, I'd choose the Royals. I can't believe I just typed that, but the more I reflect on it, it's true.

Bugeater 10-13-2015 04:47 PM

I think this actually describes the majority of NFL owners. I don't believe most of them really care about winning a Super Bowl.

Brock 10-13-2015 04:49 PM

Clark made every effort to hire the best people he could. Don't see how people can lay any shit on him.

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11800190)
if the Royals win the WS, it's gonna be scorched earth or the Chiefs will be an afterthought. This town and and fans only have so many dollars to spend on their favorite team / entertainment dollars. If you have a few grand to blow as part of your entertainment budget, would you spend it on the Royals or the ****ing Chiefs?

LMAO
I don't even like /follow baseball all that much, but if I had a stash of cash burning a hole in my pocket and had to choose, I'd choose the Royals. I can't believe I just typed that, but the more I reflect on it, it's true.

Damm now you are gonna make me root for the Royals to win the WS I wanted the Cubs just for back to the future.

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11800201)
Clark made every effort to hire the best people he could. Don't see how people can lay any shit on him.


Because it took Flying banners and mass protest for him to see what should have been
obvious

Brock 10-13-2015 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800208)
Because it took Flying banners and mass protest for him to see what should have been
obvious

This is nonsense. The banners and all that shit was cool and all, but to think that got pioli fired is doubtful at best.

Dayze 10-13-2015 04:56 PM

I mean, don't get me wrong I joke quite a bit and I'm pretty sarcastic nearly every waking moment. But I'm serious when I say this town only has so much money to spend on entertainment. The Chiefs have been the luckiest mother****ers on earth for the last 30 years in that they've been the 'only' real ticket in town that could sniff a championship - or so we all thought.

with what the Royals did last year, and what they're continuing to do, the Chiefs are pissing into the wind. I'm serious when I say that if I had, say $3k, sitting around waiting to be spent on a sports team.....it would be the Royals. and probably can't even name 5 players on the team. but I know they're competing and I"ll learn their ****ing names. Yeah, bandwagon, I know. But at this point in my life after eating Chiefs sammiches for 25 years.....I don't give a shit. LIke you get some sort of courage badge / tattoo you can wear/show everyone. "hey....I was a fan when they sucked as for 35 years!!!!" . GFY.

Chiefs suck, and they're as hopeless as can be when discussions of Super Bowls start.

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11800220)
This is nonsense. The banners and all that shit was cool and all, but to think that got pioli fired is doubtful at best.

SOC lit a fire under Clark the chiefs were a national embarrassment.

Brock 10-13-2015 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800224)
the chiefs were a national embarrassment.

^ that's why pioli was fired

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-13-2015 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11800201)
Clark made every effort to hire the best people he could. Don't see how people can lay any shit on him.

As Dane pointed out, his last effort didn't seem very exhaustive.

He should let Dorse run the show. That guy is ****ing meticulous.

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11800234)
^ that's why pioli was fired

and if we go 1-15-2-14 this year will it not be the same - the suicide thing

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11800239)
As Dane pointed out, his last effort didn't seem very exhaustive.

He should let Dorse run the show. That guy is ****ing meticulous.

Who would Dorse hire from the Green bay tree for Head coach Phillbin Clements ?


I would be so freaking ecstatic if we got Clements as our new HC.

Perineum Ripper 10-13-2015 05:06 PM

I wonder what the Chefs record is over the last 14 years

Brock 10-13-2015 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11800239)
As Dane pointed out, his last effort didn't seem very exhaustive.

He should let Dorse run the show. That guy is ****ing meticulous.

That may be correct, but again, reid was the top candidate available. You can hardly blame clark for doing what just about any team in that position would do.

Brock 10-13-2015 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800242)
and if we go 1-15-2-14 this year will it not be the same - the suicide thing

Maybe. If dorsey supports reid and clark supports reid, then all the banners and whatnot in the world isn't going to change that.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-13-2015 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800247)
Who would Dorse hire from the Green bay tree for Head coach Phillbin Clements ?


I would be so freaking ecstatic if we got Clements as our new HC.

I don't know but we need to consider this; if Dorsey hits on round 1 every 2 or 3 drafts and continues to clean up and kick ass in rounds 2, 3, and 4 while simultaneously cleaning people's clocks in FA and trades( Smith doesn't count, and we ALL know this; that scalping he performed before the season started is a Dorsey-thing), does that not make him somewhat qualified to interview and help select a coach?

oaklandhater 10-13-2015 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11800267)
Maybe. If dorsey supports reid and clark supports reid, then all the banners and whatnot in the world isn't going to change that.

I would love to know who wanted to give Alex that money I know Reid wanted to but was Dorse agreeing or did his word's fall on deaf ear's.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-13-2015 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800335)
I would love to know who wanted to give Alex that money I know Reid wanted to but was Dorse agreeing or did his word's fall on deaf ear's.

"Happy to have a job, sir; another sammich"?!?!

Kman34 10-13-2015 06:29 PM

What I don't understand is why Clark won't do everything and anything in his power to win the Trophy with his dad's name on it.... I would give orders to win at all costs or heads would roll.....

notorious 10-13-2015 06:33 PM

14 years.


What have the Chiefs accomplished in 14 years? Remember, we didn't have Peyton in our division to rape us non-stop for 10 years.


4 playoff appearances, 2 of which were horrific, 1 was historically horrific, and the other was just Vermeiled.. The rest is garbage.

GloucesterChief 10-13-2015 06:49 PM

Worse than the Ford family?

The Lions have nothing ever.

Deberg_1990 10-13-2015 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11800239)
As Dane pointed out, his last effort didn't seem very exhaustive.

He should let Dorse run the show. That guy is ****ing meticulous.

Would it be Dorseys call if Reid is fired and would he be the one who does the HC search?

I thought Dorsey and Reid were independent and each reported to Clark individually?

Im still confused by the hierarchy actually....

TambaBerry 10-13-2015 07:15 PM

because they picked clowney instead of a qb like every other ****ing stupid ass franchise that has always sucked ever did.

Sorter 10-13-2015 07:17 PM

The Texans have won multiple playoff games recently.

Hydrae 10-13-2015 07:41 PM

With the cap minimum that is in place now, I am not sure the argument that keeping cheap players earns the owner more bottom line is the case any more.

Al Bundy 10-13-2015 07:45 PM

Hugh Culverhouse was definitely the worst NFL owner in its current incarnation.

Eleazar 10-13-2015 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800161)
But in 14 seasons, McNair’s Texans have won just 89 games against 124 losses. There are only two playoff seasons, only four winning seasons in those 14 seasons. Can you imagine the treatment Bud Adams would have received from the Houston media if the Oilers had accomplished so little? The Oilers wouldn't be praised as the ideal model. The Oilers would be mocked as a train wreck run by an owner concerned only with making money. There’d be no praise for passing on players with troubled backgrounds; instead, there’d be loud criticism for Adams being willing to stick with unproven players like Alfred Blue instead of taking a chance on a proven veteran like Ray Rice.
...

There’s money to be made, lots of money to be made, in being a mediocre product that plays it safe and refuses to take chances. Peyton Manning is expensive, so just stick with Matt Schaub. Ray Rice commands a decent price, so just use the excuse of his domestic abuse to save a few bucks and keep using Alfred Blue to back up the injury-prone Arian Foster. Sure, some fans might get upset that the team’s never competitive, but hey, as long as there are millions of suckers willing to pay up for J.J. Watt merchandise, why change?

What is this guy's deal with Ray Rice, that he is the prooftext for the Texans not wanting to win?

He has been out of football for a long time and was declining when he decided to knock his wife out anyway.

Eleazar 10-13-2015 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 11800657)
because they picked clowney instead of a qb like every other ****ing stupid ass franchise that has always sucked ever did.

They picked Clowney ahead of Blake Bortles and essentially no one else. What were they supposed to do? Pick Manziel at #1?

Simply Red 10-13-2015 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 11800668)
The Texans have won multiple playoff games recently.

http://i.imgur.com/ae10dqy.gif

lewdog 10-13-2015 08:52 PM

Winning two playoff games in the past 5 years makes you 100% more relevant than the Kansas City Chiefs.

TEX 10-13-2015 09:14 PM

When did they "destroy the Astrodome?" I drove by it tonight on the way to donate blood. I must have passed out and they did it then ...

Psyko Tek 10-13-2015 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11800223)
I mean, don't get me wrong I joke quite a bit and I'm pretty sarcastic nearly every waking moment. But I'm serious when I say this town only has so much money to spend on entertainment. The Chiefs have been the luckiest mother****ers on earth for the last 30 years in that they've been the 'only' real ticket in town that could sniff a championship - or so we all thought.

with what the Royals did last year, and what they're continuing to do, the Chiefs are pissing into the wind. I'm serious when I say that if I had, say $3k, sitting around waiting to be spent on a sports team.....it would be the Royals. and probably can't even name 5 players on the team. but I know they're competing and I"ll learn their ****ing names. Yeah, bandwagon, I know. But at this point in my life after eating Chiefs sammiches for 25 years.....I don't give a shit. LIke you get some sort of courage badge / tattoo you can wear/show everyone. "hey....I was a fan when they sucked as for 35 years!!!!" . GFY.

Chiefs suck, and they're as hopeless as can be when discussions of Super Bowls start.


don't care if they are winning or not
baseball ain't a sport I care about
will just keep any money I would spend onthe chiefs for other entertainment, royals don't matter

but I am long distance fan

TinyEvel 10-13-2015 10:35 PM

seriously,

The Hunt family commitment to the Chiefs died with Lamar. How can they care about this city and this fanbase when they don't even live here?! Clark should sell the team to someone who is more like Jerry Jones, but not going full Jerry, not going full Al Davis, but a resident and serious about winning.

I say we form a kickstarter to buy the Chiefs from the Hunts. Then elect a leadership team with ethics and a real desire to win.

Brock 10-13-2015 11:06 PM

Pioli tried to set shit straight.

ok

Discuss Thrower 10-13-2015 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11801129)
Pioli tried to set shit straight.

ok

Does explain why there were old school employees that cried foul and sued the team for age discrimination or whatever.

Also, the team committing tax evasion.

Brock 10-13-2015 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11801137)
Does explain why there were old school employees that cried foul and sued the team for age discrimination or whatever.

Also, the team committing tax evasion.

what does pioli have to do with tax evasion

Discuss Thrower 10-13-2015 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11801140)
what does pioli have to do with tax evasion

Pioli doesn't necessarily. I don't remember the exact timeline, but the team was caught for tax evasion as it pertained to the whole renovation agreements from 2005. And now that I think more clearly on it, it wasn't evasion it was misappropriation. Something about using taxpayer money earmarked for the renovations to pay employees.

Dave Lane 10-14-2015 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800242)
and if we go 1-15-2-14 this year will it not be the same - the suicide thing

Don't sell the Chiefs short. 33% of the last 3 years its happened.

oaklandhater 10-14-2015 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 11801195)
Don't sell the Chiefs short. 33% of the last 3 years its happened.

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TimBone 10-14-2015 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 11800668)
The Texans have won multiple playoff games recently.

It was a stupid, repetitive argument anyways. What a waste of time.

I mean, really....arguing for Ray Rice? lol

007 10-14-2015 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11800202)
Damm now you are gonna make me root for the Royals to win the WS I wanted the Cubs just for back to the future.

I forgot all about that reference.

oaklandhater 10-14-2015 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11801226)
I forgot all about that reference.

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TEX 10-14-2015 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 11801097)
seriously,

The Hunt family commitment to the Chiefs died with Lamar. How can they care about this city and this fanbase when they don't even live here?! Clark should sell the team to someone who is more like Jerry Jones, but not going full Jerry, not going full Al Davis, but a resident and serious about winning.

I say we form a kickstarter to buy the Chiefs from the Hunts. Then elect a leadership team with ethics and a real desire to win.

:facepalm: Seriously???

GTFO

007 10-14-2015 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11801245)
:facepalm: Seriously???

GTFO

Dude!!! no he isn't serious. LMAO

Hydrae 10-14-2015 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11800952)
When did they "destroy the Astrodome?" I drove by it tonight on the way to donate blood. I must have passed out and they did it then ...

It was still standing when the Chiefs played the opening day game there this year. I know because there were people around me at the game commenting on the "8th wonder of the world" still standing. :shrug:

notorious 10-14-2015 09:11 AM

If Hootie's fanduel thing come through that would be a nice down-payment. LMAO

Hoover 10-14-2015 09:50 AM

I hate Bob McNair. He stiffed me 50k once. Death to the Texans!!!!


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