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pugsnotdrugs19 10-20-2015 04:45 PM

**OFFICIAL DRAFT JARED GOFF THREAD**
 
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Because it's time we get our guy, whether it works or not. In on this cat. Let's suck just enough to hopefully see our brass finally do this.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...arterback-hope

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-aaron-rodgers

Note: I really like how in the first article they talk about how he has a calmness about him, much like Rodgers had at Cal. No I am NOT saying he's A-Rod v2, but it's a nice attribute to have.

Red Dawg 10-20-2015 07:37 PM

I could live with this pick.

staylor26 10-20-2015 07:39 PM

Everybody is down on him after that 5 INT game, but I think it's a huge overreaction. I'd be happy with Goff, Lynch, or Cook.

Dunerdr 10-20-2015 08:28 PM

You guys are tarded as **** were going fatty at 1.1 because Alex and Andy are here to stay

ILChief 10-20-2015 08:39 PM

Do it

pugsnotdrugs19 10-21-2015 03:14 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In our rehearsal today, <a href="https://twitter.com/InTheBleachers">@InTheBleachers</a> gave the Chiefs Robert Nkemdiche, I gave them Jared Goff. Think fans would love both.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/656938618603237376">October 21, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...-is-increasing

Strongside 10-21-2015 03:18 PM

This guy v 2.0

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/ac13...ayoffs-4_3.jpg

Fansy the Famous Bard 10-21-2015 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11822866)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In our rehearsal today, <a href="https://twitter.com/InTheBleachers">@InTheBleachers</a> gave the Chiefs Robert Nkemdiche, I gave them Jared Goff. Think fans would love both.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/656938618603237376">October 21, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...-is-increasing

I'd rather have goff because i can pronounce it.

ToxSocks 10-21-2015 03:20 PM

The good news is we won't need 1.1 to get any of these guys. None of them look like 1.1's.

Kman34 10-21-2015 03:24 PM

Looks like Brokie Croyle 2.0 to me...

Hammock Parties 10-21-2015 03:28 PM

http://i.imgur.com/J06bTk6.gif

http://i.imgur.com/A0qqp07.gif

http://i.imgur.com/QSuYqrv.gif

jonzie04 10-21-2015 03:32 PM

Since you posted Texas Gifs ^ a quote from their DC Vance Bedford after the game. Bears DB coach from 99-04.

"This is Aaron Rodgers. He's the real deal. This young man is exceptional," Bedford said of Goff, per Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman. Bedford went on to call Goff one of the best quarterbacks he's ever faced at the college level, which is high praise coming from a coach who has been a defensive assistant at the major college or NFL level since 1987.

duncan_idaho 10-21-2015 03:46 PM

Aaron Rodgers is strong praise... And, I think, overly enthusiastic. Goff doesn't have the arm strength to warrant that comparison.

I do like his accuracy and ability to make plays/keep his eyes downfield after scrambling, though.

I think he has a Chad Pennington-type arm, though. Not much zip on the the ball when I have seen him.

staylor26 10-21-2015 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11822930)

Goff by far has the most impressive highlights out of all the top QB's. Hadn't even seen these yet.

ToxSocks 10-21-2015 03:50 PM

This QB class is weak sauce. Sorry men, but but these are all 2nd rnd+ players.

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 11822880)

I would be totally fine with Matt Ryan V 2.0

scho63 10-21-2015 04:04 PM

If we draft this guy, he has to change his name! There is no way Jared Goff is the name of an NFL QB.

jonzie04 10-21-2015 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11823044)
Aaron Rodgers is strong praise... And, I think, overly enthusiastic. Goff doesn't have the arm strength to warrant that comparison.

I do like his accuracy and ability to make plays/keep his eyes downfield after scrambling, though.

I think he has a Chad Pennington-type arm, though. Not much zip on the the ball when I have seen him.


Comparing anyone to Rodgers is pretty far out there lol..And you are right, his arm strength isn't anywhere near Rodgers. Still though, The guy said Goff is one of the best he's ever faced, and he's been a college coach for nearly 30 years, and he was an NFL coach for 5 years.

I think you place too much value in arm strength. Goff doesn't have a rocket, but he has incredible placement and touch. Very accurate on all areas of the field.

Mannings arm strengh wasn't as strong as Penningtons in 2013 when he set a bazillion records.

I'm much more concerned with Goffs transition from the spread to a pro style offense than his arm strength.

the Talking Can 10-21-2015 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside (Post 11822880)

Good, draft him

L.A. Chieffan 10-21-2015 04:27 PM

Not accurate

O.city 10-21-2015 04:27 PM

Arm strength is pretty far down the list for me. It's there, but if a guy meets a certain threshold for it, I'm good

duncan_idaho 10-21-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11823306)
Arm strength is pretty far down the list for me. It's there, but if a guy meets a certain threshold for it, I'm good


I don't need Joe Flacco, but I don't like all those fluttering balls I see when I watch Goff play. I'm also skeptical of guys coming from the air raid.

I'm not anti-Goff, but I'm not 100 percent sold on him. So far, I like what I've seen from Paxton Lynch more.

We'll see what his arm looks like at the combine. If it tests out well, I'll be all for it.

Eleazar 10-21-2015 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11823076)
This QB class is weak sauce. Sorry men, but but these are all 2nd rnd+ players.

Well, so was vaGeno Smith but this board revolved around him for a year.

duncan_idaho 10-21-2015 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11823243)
Comparing anyone to Rodgers is pretty far out there lol..And you are right, his arm strength isn't anywhere near Rodgers. Still though, The guy said Goff is one of the best he's ever faced, and he's been a college coach for nearly 30 years, and he was an NFL coach for 5 years.



I think you place too much value in arm strength. Goff doesn't have a rocket, but he has incredible placement and touch. Very accurate on all areas of the field.



Mannings arm strengh wasn't as strong as Penningtons in 2013 when he set a bazillion records.



I'm much more concerned with Goffs transition from the spread to a pro style offense than his arm strength.


The spread/air raid offense he plays in definitely can hide a guy who doesn't have an average-level NFL arm.

I do love the natural accuracy and touch he seems to have. Just not sold its going to translate to an NFL offense.

ToxSocks 10-21-2015 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11823393)
I don't need Joe Flacco, but I don't like all those fluttering balls I see when I watch Goff play. I'm also skeptical of guys coming from the air raid.

I'm not anti-Goff, but I'm not 100 percent sold on him. So far, I like what I've seen from Paxton Lynch more.

We'll see what his arm looks like at the combine. If it tests out well, I'll be all for it.

Lynch is by far the most intriguing imo. He reminds me of Philip Rivers when he stands in the pocket. He has an NFL arm, stands tall in the pocket and gives his receivers a chance to make a play.

Just by going off the ol' eye test, Lynch looks the part of an NFL QB more than the others.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-21-2015 05:06 PM

So, looks to me like this years QB draft class is the same as the 2013. Alex smith is better than all the prospects. Bring on Murray and fix our OL.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2015 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11823076)
This QB class is weak sauce. Sorry men, but but these are all 2nd rnd+ players.

Which is probably good since the Chiefs are so goddamned bundle of sticksy pussy-lipped about taking a QB in round 1.

Also,

Goff physically resembles Alex Smith and makes me uneasy.

Out on Goff.

jonzie04 10-21-2015 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11823489)
Which is probably good since the Chiefs are so goddamned pillowbitergoty pussy-lipped about taking a QB in round 1.

Also,

Goff physically resembles Alex Smith and makes me uneasy.

Out on Goff.

Maty Mauk physically resembles Russell Wilson Bro, you should go all in on him.

Also Montell Cozart is the same as Rodgers. Another option for you.

duncan_idaho 10-21-2015 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11823477)
So, looks to me like this years QB draft class is the same as the 2013. Alex smith is better than all the prospects. Bring on Murray and fix our OL.

This take is:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b702a455d6.jpg

It's the exact reason the Chiefs have spent decades bringing in garbage from other teams at the QB spot.

It's way too early to say anything about whether it's a good or bad class.

O.city 10-21-2015 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11823393)
I don't need Joe Flacco, but I don't like all those fluttering balls I see when I watch Goff play. I'm also skeptical of guys coming from the air raid.

I'm not anti-Goff, but I'm not 100 percent sold on him. So far, I like what I've seen from Paxton Lynch more.

We'll see what his arm looks like at the combine. If it tests out well, I'll be all for it.

I've watched maybe 2 of goffs passes, so I can't comment on that.

I was speaking purely in general terms.

I mean, how many nfl qbs right now have a howitzer. 4? Flacco, kap, rodgers, Stafford and ?

I don't think it's bad to have a cannon, but it's not a must for me. Give me accurate, pocket presense, iq, etc first.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2015 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11823507)
Maty Mauk physically resembles Russell Wilson Bro, you should go all in on him.

Also Montell Cozart is the same as Rodgers. Another option for you.

I'm really not feeling it with Cook or Goff. Make me a believer.

O.city 10-21-2015 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11823435)
Lynch is by far the most intriguing imo. He reminds me of Philip Rivers when he stands in the pocket. He has an NFL arm, stands tall in the pocket and gives his receivers a chance to make a play.

Just by going off the ol' eye test, Lynch looks the part of an NFL QB more than the others.

Yes, yes, come with me

O.city 10-21-2015 05:24 PM

Cooks off field is more troubling to me

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11823057)
Goff by far has the most impressive highlights out of all the top QB's. Hadn't even seen these yet.

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Cooner cook Said what's up

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ILChief 10-21-2015 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11823521)
Cooks off field is more troubling to me

Please elaborate

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2015 05:26 PM

Does Cook have a little douche in him?

I may have to reconsider my position.

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11823525)
Please elaborate

he is not a team captain should really mean nothing.

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11823530)
Does Cook have a little douche in him?

I may have to reconsider my position.

The fact he is an a-hole should make you want to draft him payton is a major d-bag most team mates say Alex is one of the nicest players on the team.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2015 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11823534)
he is not a team captain should really mean nothing.

OH MY GOD THIS CANT BE TRUE!/said no one who cares about talent.

O.city 10-21-2015 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11823517)
I've watched maybe 2 of goffs passes, so I can't comment on that.

I was speaking purely in general terms.

I mean, how many nfl qbs right now have a howitzer. 4? Flacco, kap, rodgers, Stafford and ?

I don't think it's bad to have a cannon, but it's not a must for me. Give me accurate, pocket presense, iq, etc first.

Maybe big ben?

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2015 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11823539)
The fact he is an a-hole should make you want to draft him payton is a major d-bag most team mates say Alex is one of the nicest players on the team.

QB must possess some asshole douchewater in his veins.

It is a must.

ILChief 10-21-2015 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11823539)
The fact he is an a-hole should make you want to draft him payton is a major d-bag most team mates say Alex is one of the nicest players on the team.

Cassel was nice. Rodgers and Rivers seem like jerks

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:31 PM

Most of his team mates said cook was a badass and would have been a top 10 pick
last year

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index....r_cook_40.html

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2015 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11823541)
Maybe big ben?

Or Lynch/Hogan?

O.city 10-21-2015 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11823534)
he is not a team captain should really mean nothing.

Well, all of draft twitter says he has big off field issues and his teammates hate him.

When a 3rd year starter at qb isn't elected team captain, that's a red flag, no?

pugsnotdrugs19 10-21-2015 05:32 PM

Cooks probably has the lower ceiling and the higher floor. Personally I'd rather draft the guy with the higher ceiling, and it is certainly Goff. Lynch's ceiling is even higher than Cook for that matter.

1. Goff
2. Lynch/Cook

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11823542)
QB must possess some asshole douchewater in his veins.

It is a must.

<iframe src="https://vine.co/v/OB70ZUev2PX/embed/simple" width="600" height="600" frameborder="0"></iframe><script src="https://platform.vine.co/static/scripts/embed.js"></script>

Dude went right back in after taking this monster hit he wants to win its in his veins.

O.city 10-21-2015 05:33 PM

Are you a MSU fan oaklandhatrr?

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-21-2015 05:34 PM

That's pretty goddamned tough.

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11823548)
Cooks probably has the lower ceiling and the lower floor. Personally I'd rather draft the guy with the higher ceiling, and it is certainly Goff. Lynch's ceiling is even higher than Cook for that matter.

1. Goff
2. Lynch/Cook

Cook comes from a pro style offense Goff does not he is pretty much the most Pro ready QB in the draft

ILChief 10-21-2015 05:34 PM

Cook is probably the "safest" one, so that's who we would pick. Of course we are drafting OL so it doesn't matter

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11823553)
Are you a MSU fan oaklandhatrr?

Yes :(

pugsnotdrugs19 10-21-2015 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11823555)
Cook comes from a pro style offense Goff does not he is pretty much the most Pro ready QB in the draft

Exactly, he has the higher floor. But the same argument was being made for Jameis last year and..... :shake:

O.city 10-21-2015 05:37 PM

Cooks is uner 60 percent completion pct, no?

ToxSocks 10-21-2015 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11823565)
Cooks is uner 60 percent completion pct, no?

Yes. Some games he's sub 50%.

oaklandhater 10-21-2015 05:39 PM

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/18/mmqb-1...2016-nfl-draft

Good write up on cook

As with Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota last year, QB-hungry NFL teams will keep a close eye on Michigan State’s pro-ready quarterback, the early front-runner to be the first QB taken in the 2016 draft

Andrew Hancock for SI
Editor’s note: This is part of our summer series, The MMQB 100, counting down the most influential people for the 2015 season.

Pat Narduzzi pointed to the numbers on his tablet. The Michigan State defensive coordinator wasn’t about to rip his team’s offense to a writer with a recorder running, so on that spring day in 2013 he let the digits on his screen say what he couldn’t. Robust three-and-out statistics and other stingy measurables painted the picture of the Spartans’ otherworldly (and unappreciated) 2012 defense. But Michigan State was coming off a 7-6 season because the offense had provided next to nothing. If the Spartans were going to hoist trophies, they needed the offense to improve enough to deserve a spot alongside that defense. But that offense was missing something—or, more specifically, someone.

It turns out that Narduzzi (who left Sparty for the head coaching job at Pitt last December) had already helped find that someone. While recruiting the Cleveland area in 2009, Narduzzi had come across a tall, skinny quarterback at Walsh Jesuit in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. Narduzzi alerted the Spartans’ offensive staffers, who agreed Connor Cook deserved a closer look. In February 2010, Michigan State became the first school to offer Cook a scholarship. It didn’t take much for the Spartans to fend off Akron and Miami (Ohio) to get Cook signed in 2011, though when he arrived in East Lansing that summer, he looked at starter Kirk Cousins and backup Andrew Maxwell and worried he might not see the field until 2015. “You see a guy like Kirk who was just so accurate, who had a quick release,” Cook said. “Every throw was a perfect spiral. I looked at him and I was like, Man, I’ve got a lot of improving to do.”





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That unheralded recruit probably will leave Michigan State as the best quarterback in school history, and he might also be the best quarterback in the 2016 draft. Though Penn State’s Christian Hackenberg has the prototypical measurables (6-4, 236) and skill set, and though Ohio State’s Cardale Jones boasts great size (6-5, 250) and a huge arm and showed a knack for delivering on the biggest stage, Cook is the most NFL-ready of the three. He doesn’t play in the kind of spread system that leads to video game statistics, but Michigan State’s pro-style offense more closely resembles what NFL teams will ask him to run. He has the size (6-4, 220) NFL teams covet, the arm to make every throw they want and the wheels to keep plays alive when his protection breaks down. Most importantly, since Cook took over as the starter early in the 2013 season, the Michigan State offense has clicked. The Spartans have been contenders ever since.


The 2012 Spartans had some legitimate excuses for their poor production on offense. Cousins was gone, and any quarterback would have struggled to live up to the standard he set. A rash of offensive line injuries didn’t help, either. Still, the Spartans had Le’Veon Bell at tailback and should have been able to produce more. In 2013, Cook—who had come off the bench to lead the game-winning drive in a Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl victory over TCU in the final game of his redshirt freshman year—entered the season opener splitting snaps with 2012 starter Andrew Maxwell. Bell was gone, but the offensive line was finally healthy. Still, in the season opener against Western Michigan, Michigan State’s best offense might have been stuffing the Broncos for three plays and convincing the officials to let Western Michigan skip the punt and keep the ball for another set of downs. Michigan State’s quarterbacks completed 17 of 37 passes for 116 yards in a 26-13 win. The Spartans’ defense, with an interception return for a touchdown and a fumble return for another, outscored both offenses. In Cook’s first career start the following week, Michigan State scored 21 in a win against South Florida. Not bad, except lowly McNeese State had hung 53 on the Bulls the previous week.
Cook’s comfort in a rout of FCS opponent Youngstown State gave Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio confidence that the sophomore was ready to take over permanently. The Spartans lost at Notre Dame, but Dantonio stuck with Cook. Every week after that, the Spartans’ offense improved incrementally. Cook didn’t try to do everything himself, but he made throws with a confidence that can’t be coached. He rarely hesitated. He didn’t shy away from tight windows, but he also didn’t try to jam every pass into one. Receivers who had struggled with dropped passes since Cousins left were suddenly making circus catches in front of a packed house at Nebraska. Bell’s replacement, Jeremy Langford, made defenses respect play-action fakes, and then Cook made them pay by hitting his targets. Cook’s first 300-yard passing performance came in the Big Ten title game, a win over previously undefeated Ohio State team. He repeated the feat in the next game against another elite defense: 332 and two touchdowns in a Rose Bowl win over Stanford.
Cook has the offense working in harmony. But he wanted more. It burned as he watched Florida State play Auburn for the national title. Cook thought the Spartans could have hung with either team.
In 2014, as he led the Big Ten in passing yards (247.2 per game), Cook looked ready to make the jump to the NFL. He didn’t have the buzz of Florida State’s Jameis Winston or Oregon’s Marcus Mariota, but there would have been little debate: He would have been the third quarterback off the board. Still, Cook never gave the NFL serious thought. Losses to Oregon and Ohio State—in which Cook threw for a combined 701 yards and Michigan State scored 64 points, but allowed 95—gnawed at him. After a frantic comeback to beat Baylor in the Cotton Bowl (another 300-yard performance in a big game), Cook began preparing to spend his final year of eligibility in East Lansing. “I want to get my degree. That’s important to me. And I had unfinished business,” Cook said. “Last season was a great season. We went 11-2. We won a major bowl. But we didn’t win our conference. That’s the main goal—to win your conference. When you don’t do that, it’s kind of a letdown.”
Cook pauses, then explains his mindset more succinctly: “Not being able to play for a championship kind of sucks.”
So Cook will work this season to play for a title and to refine his game for the next level. “I don’t think anyone is necessarily ready for the NFL,” Cook said. “I think you go there and you adjust. There are things I need to work on, that I can fine-tune this year.” He knows he needs to improve on the 58.1 percent completion rate he posted in 2014. Though Cook doesn’t get to pad his stats with the dump-offs employed by many spread teams, he still missed his share of open receivers last season. For example, Cook wouldn’t have needed that perfect back-shoulder throw to Tony Lippett on fourth-and-10 to keep alive the final drive against Baylor if he didn’t miss open receivers on the previous two plays.
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He doesn’t plan on showcasing his ability as a runner this year. Cook’s father, Chris, told MLive.com that in high school, Cook was timed at 4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash at a camp at Cincinnati and 4.46 at a camp in Kentucky. Cook is quick to downplay his dual-threat capabilities, though. “If I’m running a 40, I’m decently fast,” he said. “But my game speed needs to improve.”
The tape disagrees with that statement. While Cook won’t be confused with Mariota, he can do serious damage when defenses get too tied up with his receivers and backs. Cook also can deliver something extra at the end of the run. Last year against Michigan, Cook kept on a read option and squirted up the middle for 13 yards. Wolverines safety Delano Hill tried to stop him and got blasted onto his back for his trouble. Don’t expect a repeat performance often in 2015. “I’m trying to keep my body healthy,” Cook said. “I’m not trying to hurt anything or trying to run people over. I only save stuff like that for Michigan, Ohio State or Oregon.”
Regarding another top college quarterback this fall, Penn State’s Hackenberg is tough to project because he spent much of 2014 running for his life behind a banged-up line. Cook, on the other hand, is tough to project because his line has been so good. (Ohio State’s Jones has the same pleasant dilemma, though he also still has to beat out Braxton Miller and J.T. Barrett for the starting job.) Watching Cook fire a rocket on a skinny post to beat Baylor in the final minute, it’s impossible not to notice how beautifully left tackle Jack Conklin, center Jack Allen and the rest of the line slide their protection to pick up the Bears’ blitz. That leads to an obvious question: What happens when Cook faces the kind of pressure he would behind the line of, say, an NFL team that was bad enough to own a top-10 pick? His mobility suggests he could still get the pass away, and his career TD-to-INT ratio (47-to-15) suggests he makes prudent choices with the ball.
Still, the most important stat when assessing Cook might be his 23-3 record as a starter. The NFL is littered with washed-up quarterbacks who won in college only to flop at the next level. But with Cook, it’s a little different. He is primarily responsible for turning around the Spartans’ offense, leading a unit capable of outscoring some of the nation’s most prolific offenses when necessary, and transforming a .500 team into one capable of winning a Big Ten title.
Now Cook is the front-runner to be the first quarterback taken in the 2016 draft. He was the missing piece for the Spartans. He could be the same for an NFL franchise.

jonzie04 10-21-2015 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11823548)
Cooks probably has the lower ceiling and the higher floor. Personally I'd rather draft the guy with the higher ceiling, and it is certainly Goff. Lynch's ceiling is even higher than Cook for that matter.

1. Goff
2. Lynch/Cook

If you're looking for a higher ceiling then Cardale Jones is your guy. Also why does Cook have a higher celing?

ILChief 10-21-2015 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11823581)
If you're looking for a higher ceiling then Cardale Jones is your guy. Also why does Cook have a higher celing?

No to Cardale

jonzie04 10-21-2015 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11823583)
No to Cardale

I guess my sarcasm isn't working very well today.

ILChief 10-21-2015 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11823591)
I guess my sarcasm isn't working very well today.

You used the wrong font

jonzie04 10-21-2015 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 11823608)
You used the wrong font

What font should I use next time?

ILChief 10-21-2015 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11823617)
What font should I use next time?

http://www.v3b.com/2011/09/sarcasm-l...t-has-arrived/

pugsnotdrugs19 10-21-2015 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11823581)
If you're looking for a higher ceiling then Cardale Jones is your guy. Also why does Cook have a higher celing?

He doesn't, Goff does

jonzie04 10-21-2015 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11823633)
He doesn't, Goff does

I read that wrong, sorry. I do agree kind sir.

jonzie04 10-21-2015 07:01 PM

I think Cook and Goff have pretty similar play styles to Farve and Rodgers. Not that either guy is as good as the former. I like Cook but he's just wild, and he seems to have a similar energy to Farve, though not as much. He trusts his arm way too much and he makes several crazy head scratching attempts per game. He tries to force the ball a little bit too much, but sometimes they do pay off.

I think Goff is the much more cerebral QB. He does have more built in passes than Cook, but he often takes what the coverage dictates, and what the game calls for. He is also starting to take advantage of free plays, and he'll take deep shots on those plays, which is something that very few QBS do, even in the NFL. He takes advantages of 1 on 1s, And he's far more consistent than Cook.

I think Cook will always be a gunslinger, but will always be limited by his aggression. I also think Goffs ceiling is an Elite QB due to all of the little things he does well. All of the things I mentioned, plus his abilty to maneuver around 2-3 guys in the pocket, accuracy, touch, decision making. He seems like a guy that will end up being able to beat teams before and after the snap. Hell Dykes gave him the ability to audible anything. Pass pro, routes, run, pass. Anything.


Also.. I have to bring up.. Goff is also very good at moving guys with his eyes and through pump fakes.

58-4ever 10-21-2015 07:04 PM

Seems like I'd rather have Paxton Lynch or the Baylor kid.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-21-2015 07:05 PM

One thing I think most all of us would agree with-- just take one of them early. Goff, Cook, Lynch, whatever. Just try it damn it. And please give Murray a chance to end the year and regardless of the outcome STILL draft one.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-21-2015 07:07 PM

PSA: Jared Goff can be seen on ESPN Thursday night against a solid opponent. (UCLA)

Dragonocho 10-21-2015 07:10 PM

What do you guys think of this Blackledge kid from Penn State?

jonzie04 10-21-2015 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonocho (Post 11823740)
What do you guys think of this Blackledge kid from Penn State?

ROFL

Worst pick ever.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-21-2015 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonocho (Post 11823740)
What do you guys think of this Blackledge kid from Penn State?

If we pick in the 20's, all for it. And we will cause bout' to finish 10-6.

Dragonocho 10-21-2015 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 11823749)
If we pick in the 20's, all for it. And we will cause bout' to finish 10-6.

Both seem reasonable.

RunKC 10-21-2015 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11823555)
Cook comes from a pro style offense Goff does not he is pretty much the most Pro ready QB in the draft

Goff's spread offense is not like the typical spread offense. He makes reads. He's being coached right.

Dragonocho 10-21-2015 07:26 PM

Ben Kenobi will be the next Nigerian Nightmare. Mark my words.

Halfcan 10-22-2015 08:29 AM

So he steps up to the line and is able to change the play based on what defense is coming at him, such as an all out Blitz?

What a crazy concept. I like Alex better, he just rides out the play for a loss.

KC native 10-22-2015 09:55 AM

Boykin is better.

duncan_idaho 10-22-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 11824496)
Boykin is better.


If you need to litter every discussion of legitimate NFL QBs with this comment, be prepared to be reminded that your midget, spread-product, poverty RGIII boy is going to be a WR in the NFL.

KC native 10-22-2015 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11824697)
If you need to litter every discussion of legitimate NFL QBs with this comment, be prepared to be reminded that your midget, spread-product, poverty RGIII boy is going to be a WR in the NFL.

Boykin is a future hall of famer at QB. He's not a bitch like RG3 or any of the other prospects you like.

The Franchise 10-22-2015 11:44 AM

Goff or Lynch.

O.city 10-22-2015 11:45 AM

The chiefs **** everything up.

They'll finally take a qb early, and it'll be Hackenberg or some sucks ass idiot


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