Chiefs are NFL's most disappointing team
 

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joe Montana is 59 years old, not far from Social Security.

The notion of Joe taking another NFL snap is, of course, ludicrous, but when he talks about the pass-happy NFL of today and how The League caters to quarterbacks and receivers, Montana has joked that he wouldn’t mind getting back behind center.

He sees wide receivers running free, unafraid.

He sees a vast land of opportunity, where only narrow swaths existed in his day.

Reporters ask Joe to compare, then and now. He obliges them.

Asked about the passing parties the NFL stages every Sunday, in particular, the shallow crossing routes that the Patriots and Packers and Chargers are using to great effect, Joe Cool all but said these kids need to get off his yard.

“If we’d tried that, the receiver wouldn’t have played another game for a month,” Montana told the Boston Herald's Ron Borges.

Every generation has its own challenges. Back when Montana last played, in the mid-1990s, his challenge was his own team. The Kansas City Chiefs. They almost never get it right at quarterback.

Sure, Len Dawson was a Hall of Famer. He helped them win a Super Bowl in 1970. An exception. The Chiefs surrounded Dawson with other Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers. Many were defenders. Back then, the NFL was legal mayhem. Teams mugged each other. The quarterback was fair game. Last man standing wins.

The Chiefs have never made it back to the Super Bowl. There are many reasons for it. Near the top of the list is the quarterback problem. And as quarterbacks have become even more outsized in their impact on the games, the Chiefs have never really got it right.

This year, they’re in a familiar spot. Quarterback jail.

Good-guy Alex Smith, God bless him, is not getting it done though he is, or was, until of late, a cut above what the Chiefs typically have trotted out behind center. The San Diegan looks spooked. He’s taken more sacks than any other AFC quarterback. Defenses are again daring him to beat them downfield, and he’s not making them back off.

A new receiver who cost the Chiefs a lot of money, Jeremy Maclin, has helped. He has dropped only one pass in 40 chances. A young tight end, Travis Kelse, is a playmaker from the Gronk Lite mold.

But the offense was built around the running back, Jamaal Charles, and that usually doesn’t work so great in this era. When Charles was lost for the season two games ago, the Chiefs went on to blow a game, at home to the Bears. Charles was having his struggles. He fumbled twice against the Broncos, in another game the Chiefs tossed in the trash can at Arrowhead Stadium.

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The Chiefs are 1-5. Kansas Citians have another team to cheer, the Royals, who are on the verge of making it two World Series trips in two years. Missouri has gone from red state to blue state.

So, even with a talented defense, it looks like the Chiefs’ streak of playoff futility will stretch for another year.

The Chiefs last won a playoff game after the 1993 season.

Montana was their quarterback. He led them past the Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston, then known as the Oilers.

Then came the AFC Championhip Game in frigid Buffalo. Twelve degrees, wind chill. Montana looked older than his 37 years and the Bills pasted him and the Chiefs, 30-13.

The Chiefs haven’t gone back to the AFC title game. They’ve not won any playoff games. It can be done, but probably won’t until they get a snappier quarterback who can pile up all those yards and points that are there to be got every Sunday.

No doubt about that.

Wish we had an owner who would say this $hit wont stand.

No the Bucs share the same distinction these days.

No one thought the bucs were going to be a top 10 team this year.

Some websites had the chiefs ranked in the top 5 and said we would make a Superbowl run this year.

And they were idiots for saying as much.

There was no difference between the level of talent last year compared to this year. Maclin hasn't been any more of a game changer than Bowe was and it wasn't hard to guess the line would be worse with a rookie center, and a guy who couldn't beat out Ryan Harris at RT now playing LT.

9-7 was their ceiling if they got every bounce going their way, and they'll still probably **** up and hit their floor of 6-10 to ensure they don't draft anyone good next year in what's being described as a weak class.

Because Chuefs

We get it. We suck

This draft class coming up is nowhere near as bad as 2013

Funny. The rookie center is the best lineman on the team at this point.

Talent level is higher
Maclin is huge upgrade over Bowe
Rookie center is bright spot of woeful O-line
Mental toughness is the difference.
Can't tell if it's because Reid just doesn't demand it, or he thought shouldering the blame would inspire his team instead of making them complacent, but that's the 2015 story.

Alex smith is gone mentally and the defense has given up on Sutton's scheme that's 2015 in a nutshell

And here's the question, would you rather try to make chicken salad out of chicken shit with

a talentless team that plays hard
or
a talented team that plays soft?

Which quandary is more easily fixed IYO?

I hate how people say, "The offense was built around Jamaal Charles!"

No, it ****ing wasn't. In order for an offense to be built around the RB, you have to actually get your RB some ****ing touches.

And we never ****ing did.

So ****ing tired of the "Gronk Lite" terminology with regard to Kelce. Put him on a team with Tom Brady and I'll bet a nut that he has bigger numbers than Gronkowski.

The 2nd can be fix with Coaching

For the record I think the chiefs are some where in the middle we are not as bad talent wise as our record show's

The team has given up on Reid and Smith this year you can see it on the field The DEN game destroyed them.

More Fumbles then Gronk too :)

As far as I know...the Chiefs have never developed a rookie QB into a chanpionship QB...they've certainly had them...but it's always been a free agent/traded player. Even Len Dawson was developed elsewhere. Maybe none of that matters.

Obviously the talent level is not higher. 1-5 compared to 3-3 (and 6-0 if you wanna be really cute).

How is Maclin a "huge" upgrade? The offense can't stay on the field for more than six plays and isn't scoring points. That's no different than last year with Bowe.

Because, shocking revelation here, neither Bowe nor Maclin are going to succeed when there isn't a credible receiving threat opposite them combined with a QB that refuses to take chances downfield. Not like several others and myself here haven't pointed that out for the better part of two years.

Morse has been decent, but everything else hasn't improved... because the Chiefs more or less switched Hudson with Grubbs. The line was supposedly terrible last year so it shouldn't have shocked anyone that it's not any better when your best OL is signed away as a FA and thus you're forced to trade for another vet at a different position. It's shocked everyone here apparently that the line isn't good when a "moron" like myself that wasn't an all state class 2A football player ten years ago could figure that shit out.

A lack of mental toughness or whatever one wants to call it hasn't a facet of the team in the last 15 years. It definitely hasn't been around in the last three when the highlight of veteran leadership has been Derrick Johnson peacing the **** out of the locker room before the media could have a chance to start sourcing interviews after losing three straight divisional games in 2013. Or when the team laid down to Denver the first game after Berry's diagnosis was made public last year. They really got one for the Gipper there, didn't they?

I'm not in the lockerroom so I don't know why this has been the case and don't know how Reid is managing things obviously, but maybe it's not all too surprising that he's not a good coach when most of his success came with a then-dynamic QB in McNabb making the most out of guys like Brian Westbrook and Terrell Owens and a great defensive coordinator in Jim Johnson. Again, this wasn't all that hard to predict for a moron like me.. Maybe I was wrong about not being able to hack it as a sports columnist if I as a moron had the more accurate prediction and provided so free of charge unlike the pundits who are apparently stealing money from their publications.

Oh no it matters the media is starting to pick up on it if we have a top 5 pick this year they will have to draft a QB.

There is way too many problems with Alex Smith this year to make enough excuses in not drafting a QB.

I take it they mean, this season's most disappointing team. But it could apply universally.

I have to agree with this. The Broncos at home, we had to beat them.
It was our Super Bowl, and we spent our wad on it and got beat.
If the Chiefs would have won that game I think mentally we would have game ready for the other opponents.

And that is on coaching Reid could not bring them back from the darkness and if he is here next year I don't see much changing it's one of the main Reasons I want to see a new Head coach when your team goes 1-15 in its 3rd year the players are never going to trust there Head coach again.

I think Andy lost whatever mojo he had years ago, he has 21 wins in KC... and only 6 of those in the last two years were against teams that ended the season better than .500. Only 6... if KC can walk away, they should.

The Chiefs have never developed any QB.. No QB drafted by the club has won a playoff game or been to a pro bowl. Hell, I don't think any QB drafted by the team has a winning record with the Chiefs.

He might have been getting it back when he first got here but him and smith brought each other down there in a toxic relationship.

Year 1 of a new regime is always interesting, typically taking over a bad team with a soft schedule, which is what happened in 2013.

He's got 2 years left after this season. I doubt he's ready pay a different HC while paying Reid for 2 years. It would be their 4th HC in 6 seasons.

Gronk fumbled all the ****ing time early in his career

It's going to be a hard sell for any owner to let a coach keep his job in the 3rd year with 1-15 I would put his chances of staying at 50/50

I agree. But I'll be surprised if he makes the move.

I have a feeling he'll go cheap and just promote someone on this staff.

$15M left on that contract... hard to just consume that and walk away.

Who the hell can we promote

Childress Or Toub

The chiefs have really overpaid for so much trash under Clark.

We have way too much talent to be this bad.


Dorsey can stay, everyone else goes.


btw - Dorsey better stop ****ing around with the Oline.

Stairwell alert!!

If Dorsey stays do we hire off the greenbay tree ?

Dorsey has to nail the 2016 draft or else this team will be Oakland 2003-2014 bad.

As in they'll struggle to win 20 games over a five year span bad.

I would do everything ****ing possible to get David Shaw.

If not... dunno. I'm leery of Winston Moss and any other people we might try to steal from the Green Bay tree.

lol, wut?

Nail as in like what?

You like to paint the 2013 and 14 drafts as the worst drafts ever, right?

I would love to get Shaw as our Head coach but so would any other team looking for a head coach next year it would take a Pete Carroll like deal to bring him here

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_...for-david-shaw

QB LT LB 2WR The biggest hits we need off the next draft

Hit on the qb and the wr thing takes care of itself.

Just stop it with this bullshit


you don't just let positions take care of themselves


we need to go out and get quality players at all positions

The wr position is getting open now. They currently have quality players at wr.

So, per usual, your an idiot

Leave l'il cubie alone!!

Why are the current wrs not quality players? Is it because they dont have catches and or statistics?

Or because they can't aren't getting open?

If you think the roster is that bad, then you must think Reid isn't doing such a bad job.

True to a point, and you did mention the sub par O-line. Add to that a sub-par QB ant that intensifies many of the deficiencies. Just as a good OL / QB can hide many. So this roster might have a lot of talent places, but not in two very important one's, that Dorsey happened to play a role in acquiring - no? :shrug:

If you don't know then you aren't watching.

I assume that the QB's are Andy Reid, at least the top 2 are his.

He wanted and got Alex Smith, not Dorsey.

Daniel goes to Reid or Dorsey? Both?


Bray and Murray might be Dorsey's


Not sure which one has the attitude that Oline is just something you mix and match each year like middle relief in MLB. If that is Dorsey then he needs to stop that shit. You might not need pro bowlers but you need quality and continuity and we haven't had either.

Dorsey built the ol same way Schneider did in Seattle. It can work but you gotta hit on the picks.

I don't see a problem devaluing the ol for Alex Smith. If they want to build around a true QB, they will definitely need to beef up the ol.

The Chiefs 2013 draft class busted outside of Kelce and Knile (.. and even then..)

The 2014 draft is a bust outisde of Gaines unless Murray steps on to the field and shows something.

Jury is still out on 2015 obviously, but if Peters is the only guy worth a shit out of that group then there's a serious depth problem with the team.

Go look at how the 2013/2014 Seahawks were built. Spoiler alert: it was hitting on at least half the picks in three straight draft classes.

Unless you have a franchise QB, Seattle demonstrated the model of building a complete team through the draft. KC will not compete for a Lombardi from this year to 2017. But if the '15, '16 and '17 draft classes pan out, then we could have a team that should be a wild card contender in 2017 and a conference final team in '18-'20.

It's amazing how much better a receiver Wilson has become when Maclin is out of the picture. Alex Smith has a true 1 receiver and an exceptional tight end receiver. He's our if excuses.

I was rhetorically asking because it's not the latter

That's exactly opposite of reality and hope to hell that's not Dorsey's belief.

A QB like Alex Smith must have an above average OL to be successful. A guy like Aaron Rodgers is good enough to elevate his OL. This shouldn't be about not giving a shit about Alex Smith's health, it's about being successful as a team. If Dorsey said '**** it' who cares if Alex Smith gets killed by a shitty OL then he is the wrong professional. That's how idiot fans think not a NFL GM.

Kelce is the only guy out of those classes who would start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

2013 wasn't totally Dorsey's fault (though trading two 2nd round picks was a bad move), but 2014 he botched pretty soundly by whiffing on Dee Ford and taking a worthless gadget player in Thomas.

Which is why i didn't bother answering so you can talk bullshit

We have no clue about ford yet because they won't put him on the field. Maybe that's enough evidence, but I'd imagine that one is undecided.

But kelce is the only one? Not likely. And because a 4th round pick is a gadget, it's a whiff?

I think you generally have a decent grip on things but the over exaggeration seems to be something you have a grasp on.

Fwiw, Gaines was playing pretty well as a 2nd year player at the Nickel spot as well.

So I th8nk you're overdoing it a bit here

So our wrs aren't getting open?

They are.....


Just not Alex Smith open.

Whatever Gaines brings to the table is outweighed by the rest of the class.

Ford sucks by the fact he can't unseat Hali.. and Hali should have retired a year ago. And yeah Thomas was a 4th rounder but in what world did it make sense to take a 5'9 kick returner when the team had holes at #2 WR and just about every OL spot outside of center?

You're looking at 7 picks normally, if you hit 3 of those it's a solid draft. I think your over valuing expectations here.

They should have let Hali walk or retire, I agree therr. But I'm not ready to walk from ford yet because I think it's just not enough info.

They've also hit on alot of UDFA in this year's so its not quite as bleak as its being made out to be.

Just as with every other regime we've seen, they made the wrong decision with the qb and the trickle down effect is likely to get them fired, which is ironic because I'm guessing that was their fear, causing them to go conservative

If you're building around Alex Smith, you need an elite defense and an elite running game. Then you need excellent tight ends. After you've but all that and you've paid your QB 20 m, exactly how much do you have left to now need an elite ol? And for what? Is adding an extra second of time going to help Alex go vertical? Is he goong to use his pocket better? Make progressions? No. It will buy him more time to stare down his number 1 receiver and then go to his check down. You think an ol is going to help Alex Smith go through progressions?

Oh, and according to you, we also need elite receivers too. Maybe if we surround Alex Smith with the ray Lewis Ravens defense and the 2003 Colts offensive supporting cast, then maybe Alex Smith can win playoff games.

I'd also rather we keep drafting more WRs until we actually hit on some guys.

Conley was a good pick, and I think he can still be a good WR in the league (a WR3 at the very least... not in the slot, though). Wilson still has value.

But if we're in the position to draft a WR who will come in and bump each of those guys down one notch on the depth chart, why wouldn't we?

It's even more imperative that we get our QB at the same time, though. Alex hasn't "developed" one ****ing WR in his entire goddamn career. The closest he's come is Brandon Lloyd, and that's only because Lloyd was a rookie under Alex. He busted out and played well elsewhere.

Where did i say anything about elite receivers?


I said quality players

Why are the current wrs not quality players laz? I'm not trying to argue I'm just curious as to where that's coming from?

Didn't they just sign a top FA WR and draft a WR also? The wr position is not that bad.

It's almost like no one realized this was the only way to win a SB with Smith.

Agreed

Any disputes?

Yes, we got Maclin ... a great addition.

Right now Maclin is the only NFL starter level WR we have.

Maclin - yes
Conley - isn't ready yet
Wilson - can't stay healthy
Dat - not even as good as McCluster
Frankie Hammond - no
Brian Parker - Who?

So where is this NFL level receiver corp? It's not on our roster.

We don't even have 2 starters yet.

They are the most embarrassing piece of shit to be sure.

And stupidest.

I am thinking the second
a good coach can fix guys that can play

takes a great coach to fix guys that can't play

we got neither right now

rather have Gunther just because he yells at the crowd, like coaches the will yell what the ****
and flip people off, sorry George
but Jebus give me a coach that cares about winning

I wonder if the Chiefs feel like the bums they are with the Royals winning pennants across the parking lot.

I hope **** does. He should be embarrassed with himself.