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Groves 11-09-2015 06:37 PM

Do you use premium gas?
 
I'm buying a 2009 Odyssey from my in-laws. They're good folks.

I've never ever bothered putting anything but cheap gas in my vehicles.

I'm just checking in to see if that's foolish or as I have thought, not a problem.

Yes, the valve guides would have suffered from unleaded in my '62 Buick, so the lead I did ad back in.

These modern cars, not so sure. What say ye?

TEX 11-09-2015 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groves (Post 11872916)
I'm buying a 2009 Odyssey from my in-laws. They're good folks.

I've never ever bothered putting anything but cheap gas in my vehicles.

I'm just checking in to see if that's foolish or as I have thought, not a problem.

Yes, the valve guides suffered from unleaded in my '62 Buick, so the lead I did ad back in.

These modern cars, not so sure. What say ye?

I use it in my GT 500 because I have a tune that requires at least 93 octane. I don't use it in my Explorer because the computer compensates for the lower octane rating. I wouldn't think you'd need it in your Odyssey as I'm sure the computer can easily make due with 87 octane.

lewdog 11-09-2015 06:39 PM

It's a ****ing van.

Does that answer your question?

hometeam 11-09-2015 06:40 PM

If its not tuned for it, dont waste your money.

Bugeater 11-09-2015 06:42 PM

I use premium in all my small engines, but i put cheap shit in my vehicles.

PA Chiefs 11-09-2015 06:45 PM

In my 69 Mustang and my 15 SHO Taurus but only cause the engines require it, anything else I'm to cheap but I love those cars.

Bugeater 11-09-2015 06:49 PM

Ford brought the SHO Taurus back?

TLO 11-09-2015 06:49 PM

I usually put a large amount of Q in my tank.

TLO 11-09-2015 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11872942)
Ford brought the SHO Taurus back?

Like 5 years ago.

Bugeater 11-09-2015 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Li'l Smokey (Post 11872944)
Like 5 years ago.

Oh. I knew they brought the Taurus back but I didn't know there was an SHO version. I'd think I'd have seen one by now.

Bearcat 11-09-2015 06:52 PM

My Sienna has never run better.

cosmo20002 11-09-2015 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groves (Post 11872916)
Do you use premium gas?

No, but occasionally I have it.

King_Chief_Fan 11-09-2015 06:53 PM

Wife ML 350 and my c350 coupe use premium

TrebMaxx 11-09-2015 06:57 PM

Use what the manual recommends. One of my vehicles gets premium and two run on 87 octane.

Deberg_1990 11-09-2015 06:58 PM

No. If the manufacturer doesn't call for it, then you're wasting your money

pr_capone 11-09-2015 06:59 PM

Both my motorcycle and car require premium so... yes.

TLO 11-09-2015 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11872946)
Oh. I knew they brought the Taurus back but I didn't know there was an SHO version. I'd think I'd have seen one by now.

They are pretty bad ass.

SAUTO 11-09-2015 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11872946)
Oh. I knew they brought the Taurus back but I didn't know there was an SHO version. I'd think I'd have seen one by now.

The police interceptor is pretty peppy, worked on one today

petegz28 11-09-2015 07:00 PM

Yes and I try to use ethanol free as much as I can but it does cost about .10 more a gallon than other premiums

vailpass 11-09-2015 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11872920)
I use it in my GT 500 because I have a tune that requires at least 93 octane. I don't use it in my Explorer because the computer compensates for the lower octane rating. I wouldn't think you'd need it in your Odyssey as I'm sure the computer can easily make due with 87 octane.

Yep...

vailpass 11-09-2015 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11872921)
It's a ****ing van.

Does that answer your question?

And yep :)

stumppy 11-09-2015 07:10 PM

My jeep has 360,000 miles on it. I spend as little as I possibly can on it.

ping2000 11-09-2015 07:18 PM

Antifreeze only. C'mon people!

Potato 11-09-2015 07:19 PM

I had a piece of shit 2000 volkswagen VR6 that i bought with 80k on it and drove it until the clutch finally went out for the second time with 315k and it required premium and but it only ever got regular gas and ran fine. I'm of the opinion it's all the same.
I do put premium in my motorcycle though.

vailpass 11-09-2015 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 11872985)
My jeep has 360,000 miles on it. I spend as little as I possibly can on it.

Inline 6 ftw...

New World Order 11-09-2015 07:25 PM

Yes, my car requires premium.

BigRedChief 11-09-2015 07:27 PM

Nothing less than 93 octane for my car.

Molitoth 11-09-2015 07:36 PM

Yup, have to do 92/93 in mine.

TLO 11-09-2015 07:36 PM

I use 476 octane

Fire Me Boy! 11-09-2015 07:40 PM

My Volvo wants the midgrade, so that's what I use.

stumppy 11-09-2015 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 11873006)
Inline 6 ftw...

Yup, pretty much bullet proof.

Over Yonder 11-09-2015 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 11872976)
Yep...

Yep +1
And an fyi for anyone wondering, the way to know what octane a vehicle needs is by the compression ratio. As a rule of thumb, anything under an 11.5/1 ratio is just fine on 87 octane. That aint a set in stone number, but its a good ballpark:thumb:

DaveNull 11-09-2015 07:55 PM

Yes. Even then, its still just about the only thing about owning a german car that doesn't cost $600.

Everything on a german car costs $600.

TribalElder 11-09-2015 08:02 PM

I only use 93 octane now

Squalor2 11-09-2015 08:13 PM

have gas prices figured in any ones octane choice?

i have used higher octane on my new engine since i bought them. older engines get 87.

Randallflagg 11-09-2015 10:09 PM

I was returning the rental car at the airport today (DIA) to come home and I stopped to fill it up before returning it. What the hell is up with that 85 octane crap in Colorado? If I'm not mistaken, don't most manufacturers have a 87 minimum rating?

Bob Dole 11-09-2015 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFan1st (Post 11873057)
Yep +1
And an fyi for anyone wondering, the way to know what octane a vehicle needs is by the compression ratio.

Or reading the owner's manual...

MIAdragon 11-09-2015 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11872946)
Oh. I knew they brought the Taurus back but I didn't know there was an SHO version. I'd think I'd have seen one by now.

You have

GloryDayz 11-09-2015 10:12 PM

I do... It's awesome...

ClevelandBronco 11-09-2015 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiStateNo (Post 11873356)
I was returning the rental car at the airport today (DIA) to come home and I stopped to fill it up before returning it. What the hell is up with that 85 octane crap in Colorado? If I'm not mistaken, don't most manufacturers have a 87 minimum rating?

30 Car Mysteries Solved: Low Octane Fuel at High Altitudes

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...a5308/4345737/

Beef Supreme 11-09-2015 10:13 PM

I use it as cologne.

Cross thread ftw!

Brock 11-09-2015 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiStateNo (Post 11873356)
I was returning the rental car at the airport today (DIA) to come home and I stopped to fill it up before returning it. What the hell is up with that 85 octane crap in Colorado? If I'm not mistaken, don't most manufacturers have a 87 minimum rating?

Less oxygen lowers the octane requirement.

Bugeater 11-09-2015 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 11873364)
You have

Yeah you're probably right, I looked up some pics when I got home and it seems the differences between it and the standard Taurus are far more subtle this time around.

ClevelandBronco 11-09-2015 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11873370)
Less oxygen lowers the octane requirement.

Less oxygen also increases the chance that your defense will do bone-headed shit with less than three minutes left with a chance to get the ball back only one score down. This holds true even when the high-altitude defense is playing at low altitude.

TLO 11-09-2015 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiStateNo (Post 11873356)
I was returning the rental car at the airport today (DIA) to come home and I stopped to fill it up before returning it. What the hell is up with that 85 octane crap in Colorado? If I'm not mistaken, don't most manufacturers have a 87 minimum rating?

Hopefully you didn't get e85 on accident. LMAO

The rental car company will be giving you a call shortly if you did.

Simply Red 11-09-2015 10:51 PM

always.

TEX 11-10-2015 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFan1st (Post 11873057)
Yep +1
And an fyi for anyone wondering, the way to know what octane a vehicle needs is by the compression ratio. As a rule of thumb, anything under an 11.5/1 ratio is just fine on 87 octane. That aint a set in stone number, but its a good ballpark:thumb:

That rule does not apply if you have a car with forced induction. They have a lower compression ratio because they add boost. The higher the octane the better. (Assuming your air / fuel ratio is dialed in properly) In fact, insufficient or low octane can cause detonation, and then you can go BOOM!

Over Yonder 11-10-2015 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11873559)
That rule does not apply if you have a car with forced induction. They have a lower compression ratio because they add boost. The higher the octane the better. (Assuming your air / fuel ratio is dialed in properly) In fact, insufficient or low octane can cause detonation, and then you can go BOOM!

This is very true. I should of said with normal air intake. My bad:(

Warpaint69 11-10-2015 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11872920)
I use it in my GT 500 because I have a tune that requires at least 93 octane. I don't use it in my Explorer because the computer compensates for the lower octane rating. I wouldn't think you'd need it in your Odyssey as I'm sure the computer can easily make due with 87 octane.

Im in the same boat my 2013 Camaro 2SS with headers is tuned for 91 octane. Even then the Camaro states in the manual for V8's that 91 minimum is recommended.

Aspengc8 11-10-2015 07:32 AM

I use 93 + meth injection in my STI, just 93 in my WRX DD.

loochy 11-10-2015 07:49 AM

Yes.


tune + turbo = knock or downregulated boost without high octane

TEX 11-10-2015 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsFan1st (Post 11873605)
This is very true. I should of said with normal air intake. My bad:(

You're good - you said "generally speaking" and most cars do not have forced induction. I wasn't correcting your statement, I was just letting folks who didn't know, like maybe the OP, that the general rule doesn't apply to forced induction cars. Having said that, you "can" run them on lower octane, BUT I don't know why anyone would want to because they don't run well at all and you should NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, romp on them because BAD things can easily happen at high boost and low octane.

Lzen 11-10-2015 08:30 AM

Only thing I use premium in is my Road King.

Tombstone RJ 11-10-2015 09:08 AM

I don't use higher octane gas unless the car requires it (generally speaking, higher performance motors) but I do try and use non ethanol gas. Many gas stations offer non ethanol gas as an option and it's about $0.30 higher per gallon but IMHO it's better for the car and I get better gas mileage when I use it.

ToxSocks 11-10-2015 09:11 AM

I have to. Turbo'd car.

Donger 11-10-2015 09:12 AM

Yes. You should all buy premium fuel, regardless of what your vehicle's manual recommends.

TEX 11-10-2015 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warpaint69 (Post 11873616)
Im in the same boat my 2013 Camaro 2SS with headers is tuned for 91 octane. Even then the Camaro states in the manual for V8's that 91 minimum is recommended.

Understandable. Don't they come with some type of knock sensor that will pull timing in case someone goes full reerun and / or accidently fills up with regular 85/86/87 octane?

Donger 11-10-2015 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11873736)
I have to. Turbo'd car.

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that modern cars will reerun the ignition timing to prevent pre-ignition. If so, you don't have to use premium, but the vehicle's performance will suffer.

Chiefshrink 11-10-2015 09:26 AM

I have always heard that higher octane will allow your engine to run more efficiently thus allowing your tank of gas to last longer. Is this not true? FWIW when I run 91 out here in the high altitude my tank will last 3-5days longer until I have to fill up again as opposed to 85 which is like "crap through a goose" it seems.

Tombstone RJ 11-10-2015 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11873740)
Yes. You should all buy premium fuel, regardless of what your vehicle's manual recommends.

I've been told this too and I do think this is true, that is, motors run better on higher octane fuel, especially the smaller and higher reving engines. That being said, I'd like y'all's opinion on this issue:

If you only had one choice--either put high octane fuel in your car OR non ethanol fuel (87 octane) in your car, which would you choose? Ideally, you COULD have both, but it'd be real expensive gas. So, if you can only choose one of the two options, which way would you go?

BigRichard 11-10-2015 10:42 AM

Car and SUV yes, in my truck no.

MTG#10 11-10-2015 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11872942)
Ford brought the SHO Taurus back?

Yeah but its a V6 Ecoboost. I'd love to have one with the 5.0 Coyote.

Warpaint69 11-10-2015 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11873742)
Understandable. Don't they come with some type of knock sensor that will pull timing in case someone goes full reerun and / or accidently fills up with regular 85/86/87 octane?

Yep, the computer will adjust to a low octane fuel table for timing if someone goes full reerun. I've seen one owner of a 2012 vert SS Camaro using low grade fuel. :eek: Only non ethanol 91 for my car.

Randallflagg 11-10-2015 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Li'l Smokey (Post 11873423)
Hopefully you didn't get e85 on accident. LMAO

The rental car company will be giving you a call shortly if you did.


:)

I usually am picked up at the airport and drive a company car to visit our clients. This time, however, the company cars were all out so I rented and drove straight to Fort Collins from Denver, then down to Colorado Springs. I'm an old man, so the Challenger (with the big Hemi) was tons of fun, although it would be worthless in the snow....

But yeah, I was surprised to see the same price for the 85 octane that we normally pay for 87 in KC.

Red Beans 11-10-2015 12:16 PM

I only use premium non-ethanol gas in my small engines, mostly lawn equipment.

TimeForWasp 11-10-2015 12:44 PM

somewhere between 17 and 38

Gravedigger 11-10-2015 12:45 PM

Nope, just premium ass!

ping2000 11-10-2015 02:36 PM

Methane. Tried all the recipes in the Chili thread.

Graystoke 11-10-2015 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 11873756)
If you only had one choice--either put high octane fuel in your car OR non ethanol fuel (87 octane) in your car, which would you choose? Ideally, you COULD have both, but it'd be real expensive gas. So, if you can only choose one of the two options, which way would you go?

Non Ethanol.

Holladay 11-10-2015 02:42 PM

surprised this hasn't been mentioned. Octane Booster. I run 87 in my CTS-V and add a bottle of booster that runs $3. Runs like a beast!

frankotank 11-10-2015 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11872946)
Oh. I knew they brought the Taurus back but I didn't know there was an SHO version. I'd think I'd have seen one by now.

well like idiots they made them look almost identical to non-SHO's and they have relatively small badges on them. I've owned two SHO's in my life and if I had a modern one I'd want it shouting.....I'M AN SHO! ROFL

Tombstone RJ 11-11-2015 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holladay (Post 11874455)
surprised this hasn't been mentioned. Octane Booster. I run 87 in my CTS-V and add a bottle of booster that runs $3. Runs like a beast!

Octane boost and non ethanol 87 might be a good option for those who don't want to spend a boat load of money every time they fill their car with expensive gas options.

ToxSocks 11-11-2015 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11873743)
I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that modern cars will reerun the ignition timing to prevent pre-ignition. If so, you don't have to use premium, but the vehicle's performance will suffer.

No idea. But my car has a known timing chain issue so i'd rather not **** with it. I've heard different things. To name a few:

Use higher octane only if the motor is pinging.
Using 91 Octane on an 87 Octane car may cause premature failure of the injectors
Forced induction cars must use 91 Octane or higher.

I've heard a lot of things regarding octane. I'm not really sure what to believe so i just go with what the book says.

Donger 11-11-2015 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holladay (Post 11874455)
surprised this hasn't been mentioned. Octane Booster. I run 87 in my CTS-V and add a bottle of booster that runs $3. Runs like a beast!

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Radar Chief 11-11-2015 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11876530)
No idea. But my car has a known timing chain issue so i'd rather not **** with it. I've heard different things. To name a few:

Use higher octane only if the motor is pinging.
Using 91 Octane on an 87 Octane car may cause premature failure of the injectors
Forced induction cars must use 91 Octane or higher.

I've heard a lot of things regarding octane. I'm not really sure what to believe so i just go with what the book says.

Never heard of that one.
But I do know that running 91 octane in an 87 octane motor is sending more unburned fuel down the exhaust and can clog your cat(s). Saw that one for myself.

Tombstone RJ 11-11-2015 12:21 PM

Well, that's a bummer. I wonder how those additives (octane booster) would work on an engine that is NOT in good running condition, that is, the engine is old, tired and not running as efficiently as it was meant to. How does it work then?

Donger 11-11-2015 12:38 PM

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/regular-or-premium

There's no shortage of opinions on who is to blame for gas-price gouging. One thing that's certain is drivers tend to economize at the pump during extreme price rises-they buy cheaper, lower-octane gas.

In the old preelectronic days, cars would protest such parsimony by pinging like a pachinko parlor, but most modern cars don't complain audibly, so maybe they don't mind. Or do they? And conversely, is there any benefit to be had by springing for the expensive stuff when you're feeling flush?

To find out, we ordered a fleet of test cars-some calibrated to run on regular, others that require premium-and tested them at the track and on a dynamometer.

But before we go into the results, let's go to combustion school. When a spark plug fires, it does not cause an instantaneous explosion of the entire cylinder's charge of fuel and air. The spark actually lights off a small kernel of air-and-fuel mixture near the plug. From there, a flame front expands in every direction, gradually igniting the rest of the air and fuel. This takes some time, as much as 60 degrees of crankshaft rotation.

Meanwhile, the air-and-fuel mixture that the flame front has not yet reached is experiencing huge increases in pressure and temperature. If any part of this air-and-fuel mixture gets heated and squeezed enough, it will explode spontaneously, even before the flame front ignites. This self-ignition is called detonation, or the dreaded "knock."

Now for the chemistry lesson: Oil is a hydrocarbon fuel, meaning the individual molecules contain carbon and hydrogen atoms chained together. Modern gasoline is blended according to various recipes, the active ingredients for which include about 200 different hydrocarbons, each with a spine of between 4 and 12 carbon atoms. One of them, isooctane, consists of 8 carbon and 18 hydrogen atoms (C8H18) and is exceptionally resistant to exploding spontaneously when exposed to the heat and pressure found inside a typical combustion chamber. Another, n-heptane (C7H16) is highly susceptible to such self-ignition.

These two compounds are therefore used to rate the knock resistance of all gasoline blends. A gasoline recipe that resists knock the way a mixture of 87-percent isooctane and 13-percent n-heptane would is rated at 87. Racing fuels with octane ratings over 100 resist self-ignition even better than pure isooctane. The octane ratings for regular-grade fuel range from 85 to 87, midgrades are rated 88 to 90, and 91 and higher is premium.

Mind you, premium fuel does not necessarily pack more energy content than does regular. Rather, it allows more aggressive engine designs and calibrations that can extract more power from each gallon of gasoline.

An engine's tendency to knock is influenced most by its compression ratio, although combustion-chamber design also has a large effect. A higher ratio extracts more power during the expansion stroke, but it also creates higher cylinder pressures and temperatures, which tend to induce knock. In supercharged engines boost pressure behaves the same way. That's why the highest-performance engines require higher-octane fuel.

If you feed such an engine a fuel with insufficient octane, it will knock. Since it is impossible, for now, to change an engine's compression ratio, the only solution is to reerun the ignition timing (or reduce boost pressure). Conversely, in some engines designed for regular fuel, you can advance the timing if you burn premium, but whether this will yield additional power varies from engine to engine.

Knock sensors are used in virtually all new GM, Ford, European, and Japanese cars, and most DaimlerChrysler vehicles built today. According to Gottfried Schiller, director of powertrain engineering at Bosch, these block-mounted sensors-one or two of them on most engines and about the size of a quarter-work like tiny seismometers that measure vibration patterns throughout the block to identify knock in any cylinder. Relying on these sensors, the engine controller can keep each cylinder's spark timing advanced right to the hairy edge of knock, providing peak efficiency on any fuel and preventing the damage that knock can do to an engine. But, noted Schiller, only a few vehicles calibrated for regular fuel can advance timing beyond their nominal ideal setting when burning premium.

Older or less sophisticated cars with mechanical distributors do not have the same latitude for timing adjustment as distributorless systems do and therefore may not always be able to correct for insufficient octane or additional octane.

We should note that even cars designed to run on regular fuel might require higher octane as they age. Carbon buildup inside the cylinder can create hot spots that can initiate knock. So can malfunctioning exhaust-gas-recirculation systems that raise cylinder temperatures. Hot temperatures and exceptionally low humidity can increase an engine's octane requirements as well. High altitude reduces the demand for octane.

Got all that? Good. Let's meet the test cars and ponder the results. At the lower-tech end of the scale was a regular-gas-burning 5.9-liter Dodge Ram V-8. This all-iron pushrod engine has a mechanical distributor and no knock sensors, so the computer has no idea what grade of fuel it's burning. A Honda Accord V-6 with VTEC variable valve timing represented the mainstream-family-sedan class, and a 4.6-liter V-8 Mustang stood in as an up-to-date big-torquer. Both of those were designed to run on regular unleaded. Our premium-grade cars included the hard-charging 333-hp, 3.2-liter BMW M3 straight-six boasting individual throttle by wire for each cylinder and enough computing power to run Apollos 11 through 13. A Saab 9-5 gave us a highly pressurized 2.3-liter turbo. For the sake of repeatable track testing, all but the M3 were equipped with automatic transmissions.

We ran all vehicles on both grades of fuel, at a drag strip near our offices and on a Mustang eddy-current dynamometer that was offered to us by the engine-tuning pros at Automotive Performance Engineering in nearby Clinton Township, Michigan. On arrival, all fuel tanks were drained and filled with 87-octane Mobil regular fuel and driven for two days before track and dyno testing. The tanks were drained again and filled with 91-octane Mobil premium and again driven for two days to allow time for the engine controllers to acclimate to the fuel type and tested again. All dyno and track results were weather-corrected.

Our low-tech Ram managed to eke out a few extra dyno ponies on premium fuel, but at the track its performance was virtually identical. The Mustang's knock sensors and EEC-V computer found 2 hp more on the dyno and shaved a more impressive 0.3 second off its quarter-mile time at the track. The Accord took a tiny step backward in power (minus 2.6 percent) and performance (minus 1.5 percent) on premium fuel, a phenomenon for which none of the experts we consulted could offer an explanation except to posit that the results may fall within normal test-to-test variability. This, of course, may also be the case for the gains of similar magnitude realized by the Ram and Mustang.

The results were more dramatic with the test cars that require premium fuel. The turbocharged Saab's sophisticated Trionic engine-control system dialed the power back 9.8 percent on regular gas, and performance dropped 10.1 percent at the track. Burning regular in our BMW M3 diminished track performance by 6.6 percent, but neither the BMW nor the Saab suffered any drivability problems while burning regular unleaded fuel. Unfortunately, the M3's sophisticated electronics made it impossible to test the car on the dyno (see caption at top).

Our tests confirm that for most cars there is no compelling reason to buy more expensive fuel than the factory recommends, as any performance gain realized will surely be far less than the percentage hike in price. Cheapskates burning regular in cars designed to run on premium fuel can expect to trim performance by about the same percent they save at the pump. If the car is sufficiently new and sophisticated, it may not suffer any ill effects, but all such skinflints should be ready to switch back to premium at the first sign of knock or other drivability woes. And finally, if a car calibrated for regular fuel begins to knock on anything less than premium or midgrade, owners should invest in a tuneup, emissions-control-system repair, or detergent additives to solve, rather than bandage, the root problem. Class dismissed.

ToxSocks 11-11-2015 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 11876563)
Never heard of that one.
But I do know that running 91 octane in an 87 octane motor is sending more unburned fuel down the exhaust and can clog your cat(s). Saw that one for myself.

I'll add that one to the list of things i've heard.

Just more reason to listen to what the owner's manual says.

ToxSocks 11-11-2015 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11876605)

But the article doesn't answer any questions about using alternate octanes over a long period of time and what kind of effects if may have on the longevity of the car, which is the main issue imo.

Donger 11-11-2015 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11876655)
But the article doesn't answer any questions about using alternate octanes over a long period of time and what kind of effects if may have on the longevity of the car, which is the main issue imo.

Our tests confirm that for most cars there is no compelling reason to buy more expensive fuel than the factory recommends, as any performance gain realized will surely be far less than the percentage hike in price. Cheapskates burning regular in cars designed to run on premium fuel can expect to trim performance by about the same percent they save at the pump. If the car is sufficiently new and sophisticated, it may not suffer any ill effects, but all such skinflints should be ready to switch back to premium at the first sign of knock or other drivability woes. And finally, if a car calibrated for regular fuel begins to knock on anything less than premium or midgrade, owners should invest in a tuneup, emissions-control-system repair, or detergent additives to solve, rather than bandage, the root problem. Class dismissed.


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