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Vietnam58 12-13-2015 07:43 PM

Travis Kelce is like a female version of Gronk
 
True or false?

this guy has flashes of brilliance but is so inconsistent and makes alot of big mistakes. .

That 3rd down pass he dropped would have been caught by Gronk and Gronk wouldve dragged the defenders into the endzone.

BryanBusby 12-13-2015 07:45 PM

What the **** does that even mean

Yellow tux 12-13-2015 07:45 PM

Gronk would also tear his asshole and would have to sit a few weeks

rabblerouser 12-13-2015 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vietnam58 (Post 11951739)
True or false?

this guy has flashes of brilliance but is so inconsistent and makes alot of big mistakes. .

That 3rd down pass he dropped would have been caught by Gronk and Gronk wouldve dragged the defenders into the endzone.

False.

He's just a ****ing dumb shit.

Sandy Vagina 12-13-2015 07:47 PM

It's frustrating, that's for sure. I hope he can get over this mental hurdle of mistakes, and expect that he will improve the issues. He must feel like shit right now, and simply has to learn from them.. and work hard to minimize them. :(

Vietnam58 12-13-2015 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 11951746)
What the **** does that even mean

hes like a miniature, softer, feminine version of Gronk. .

he saw the safety coming and dropped that ball..

Hammock Parties 12-13-2015 07:49 PM

He makes our QB look 10x better than he actually is. Be careful what you wish for or we'll be back throwing to bums like Fasano and that bearded ****.

Yellow tux 12-13-2015 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11951761)
He makes our QB look 10x better than he actually is. Be careful what you wish for or we'll be back throwing to bums like Fasano and that bearded ****.

Good point

BigMeatballDave 12-13-2015 08:11 PM

Dude needs to spend the off-season in front of a Jugs machine with people trying to knock the ball out of his hands.

Deberg_1990 12-13-2015 08:12 PM

He's not as good as Gronk, so what? Nobody is.


That doesn't mean he's not a good player.

mdchiefsfan 12-13-2015 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11951847)
He's not as good as Gronk, so what? Nobody is.


That doesn't mean he's not a good player.

Truth. The fact we hold him to that standard is quite impressive

Kman34 12-13-2015 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yellow tux (Post 11951818)
Good point

Don't feed the troll

Vietnam58 12-13-2015 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11951847)
He's not as good as Gronk, so what? Nobody is.


That doesn't mean he's not a good player.

Yeah but Chiefs fans and alot of people around the NFL consider him one of the best in the league . .

He is talented for sure but i think his toughness, ability to hold the football, and intelligence are very suspect at times. .

we are better off with him of course but he needs to work on the fundamentals. .

TigeRRUppeRRcut 12-13-2015 08:23 PM

He's top five. I don't get why we need to compare him to Gronk. He has growing up to do but we have been saying that since last year

GloryDayz 12-13-2015 08:26 PM

I'm not sure anybody should compare him to Gronk. TK has a lot of stupid to work out of his system before anybody should say anything of the sort.

-King- 12-13-2015 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11951847)
He's not as good as Gronk, so what? Nobody is.


That doesn't mean he's not a good player.

He's a good player but probably the most frustrating player for me on the team.
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DaneMcCloud 12-13-2015 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11951761)
He makes our QB look 10x better than he actually is. Be careful what you wish for or we'll be back throwing to bums like Fasano and that bearded ****.

**** you

DaneMcCloud 12-13-2015 08:45 PM

Yellow Tux is a mult.

**** him and **** GoChiefs in the ass with a 12 foot grounding rod.

lewdog 12-13-2015 08:46 PM

He's a much worse Tony Gonzalez.

lewdog 12-13-2015 08:48 PM

The male version of Kelce just scored for NE.

RealSNR 12-13-2015 08:49 PM

I don't think this thread gets started if the ref doesn't call that bullshit OPI on him that negates West's long TD run.

Yellow tux 12-13-2015 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11951955)
Yellow Tux is a mult.

**** him and **** GoChiefs in the ass with a 12 foot grounding rod.

Huh? Only meant to agree on the awfulness of the TEs he mentioned. You are sensitive.

jspchief 12-13-2015 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 11951863)
Truth. The fact we hold him to that standard is quite impressive

The only similarity is cockiness.

ToxSocks 12-13-2015 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 11951970)
I don't think this thread gets started if the ref doesn't call that bullshit OPI on him that negates West's long TD run.

Or that drop that likely woulda went for six.

SPATCH 12-13-2015 09:14 PM

shit thread

milkman 12-13-2015 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 11951970)
I don't think this thread gets started if the ref doesn't call that bullshit OPI on him that negates West's long TD run.

This thread would not have been started if it wasn't for some Alex Smith fan boy trying to shine a light, preemptively, on someone other than Alex Smith for a mediocre offensive performance.

Eleazar 12-13-2015 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11951761)
He makes our QB look 10x better than he actually is. Be careful what you wish for or we'll be back throwing to bums like Fasano and that bearded ****.

It's so wonderful to have Claynus here contributing so many valuable things to this board

Eleazar 12-13-2015 09:20 PM

Kelce is still young, but he does seem to be holding himself back at times by not doing little things that well. He has the talent to be as good as Gronk is, but with the ball security and inconsistency, you wonder if Kelce is as dedicated to the game as he should be.

RealSNR 12-13-2015 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11952073)
It's so wonderful to have Claynus here contributing so many valuable things to this board

Who would you rather have as the Chiefs' starting TE right now? Kelce or Fasano?

Eleazar 12-13-2015 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 11952108)
Who would you rather have as the Chiefs' starting TE right now? Kelce or Fasano?

I would have no clue if not for the insight of such fabulous sportswriters.

Kman34 12-13-2015 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 11951895)
I'm not sure anybody should compare him to Gronk. TK has a lot of stupid to work out of his system before anybody should say anything of the sort.

So....... Kelce compared to Gronk and we find that Gronk is ****ing Einstein???

Kman34 12-13-2015 09:31 PM

Maybe Gronk is coached a little better...

lewdog 12-13-2015 09:36 PM

I am the female version of Jasonsauto because I can't fix anything on my car.

GloryDayz 12-13-2015 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 11952128)
Maybe Gronk is coached a little better...

Prolly. I'm sure Andy has failed to tell him, "Don't be stupid, protect the ball."

KChiefs1 12-13-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 11951746)
What the **** does that even mean


He's a pussy.

Vietnam58 12-13-2015 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11952064)
This thread would not have been started if it wasn't for some Alex Smith fan boy trying to shine a light, preemptively, on someone other than Alex Smith for a mediocre offensive performance.

Alex didnt have his best game but the Oline was horrid on pass blockign today,. .he stood in and took some big hits. . and also ran for a few big first downs. .

he wasnt the reason our offense was off. . .it was penalties and poor pass blocking .

carcosa 12-13-2015 10:22 PM

women are inferior lol

mdchiefsfan 12-13-2015 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11952026)
The only similarity is cockiness.

The potential is there. If they can get him to reign it in a bit, he will be just as effective. As the Eric Fisher situation has proven: sometimes you need to allow that potential to develop.

RickObie 12-13-2015 11:40 PM

Top 5 - I don't get it - 3rd down, yes he made the....never mind another drop....huge catch for 20 plus yards, oh wait he fumbled - I keep seeing this top 5 but really?? Maybe I'm assuming it means top 5 TE and in reality it's top 5 overrated!

FloridaMan88 12-13-2015 11:44 PM

Patriots make it a priority to target Gronk consistently in their passing game… the Chiefs don't do that consistently with Kelce. He was targeted, what maybe 3-4 times today?

chiefs1111 12-14-2015 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 11952393)
Patriots make it a priority to target Gronk consistently in their passing game… the Chiefs don't do that consistently with Kelce. He was targeted, what maybe 3-4 times today?

Sounds about right and he went a long while before he got his first target.

Just Passin' By 12-14-2015 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 11952393)
Patriots make it a priority to target Gronk consistently in their passing game… the Chiefs don't do that consistently with Kelce. He was targeted, what maybe 3-4 times today?

Gronk gets targeted because he gets open, catches the ball, and rarely makes anything approaching a bad play. For example, he's only had two lost fumbles in his entire career.

Vietnam58 12-14-2015 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 11952393)
Patriots make it a priority to target Gronk consistently in their passing game… the Chiefs don't do that consistently with Kelce. He was targeted, what maybe 3-4 times today?

If u watch Gronks TD today .. brady just threw a jump ball that he knew Gronk would come down with . .Kelce doesnt have that type of strength and ability. .

Iconic 12-14-2015 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vietnam58 (Post 11952435)
If u watch Gronks TD today .. brady just threw a jump ball that he knew Gronk would come down with . .Kelce doesnt have that type of strength and ability. .

This is like criticizing a banana for not tasting like an apple. No ****ing shit dude. Kelce plays like Kelce and Gronk will play like Gronk.

Vietnam58 12-14-2015 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 11952448)
This is like criticizing a banana for not tasting like an apple. No ****ing shit dude. Kelce plays like Kelce and Gronk will play like Gronk.

I was replying to a post why Gronk gets more targets. .
Gronk can do more so he gets more targets . .
Kelce is really only good catching the ball in stride in open space. .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 11952448)
Kelce plays like an overrated sissy and Gronk will play like an Elite tightend.

i agree

DaNewGuy 12-14-2015 02:40 AM

You guys being PC in here ?

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Baby Lee 12-14-2015 06:11 AM

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Baby Lee 12-14-2015 06:11 AM

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Red Dawg 12-14-2015 06:24 AM

He is maddening at times but Kelce is a young star that will only get better with experience.

ThaVirus 12-14-2015 06:28 AM

He's frustrating at times, but he's a willing blocker and lethal after the catch.

I don't expect every player to come into the league a polished veteran. There will be development phases for some.

The thing about Kelce is that the potential is oozing out and so easy to see. He could be top 2-3 and nearly as effective as Gronk if targeted enough and used correctly.

Aspengc8 12-14-2015 06:42 AM

What bothers me the most is how they said Kelce worked during the entire off season on ball security... yet he still doesnt secure it before taking a hit.

GloryDayz 12-14-2015 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 11952595)
He is maddening at times but Kelce is a young star that will only get better with experience.

We'll see. His last bone-head mistake should be his last then.

I'm not saying I agree, but at this point it's up to him to prove me, and all of Chiefs Kingdom, wrong.

GloryDayz 12-14-2015 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11952597)
He's frustrating at times, but he's a willing blocker and lethal after the catch.

I don't expect every player to come into the league a polished veteran. There will be development phases for some.

The thing about Kelce is that the potential is oozing out and so easy to see. He could be top 2-3 and nearly as effective as Gronk if targeted enough and used correctly.

He's in his third season, it's time for the goofy mistakes to be done. He's not a rookie, so he can't use "rookie mistake" anymore, so he needs to understand he can't be the highlight hero I think he's trying to be. Just play the game, remember the basics, and protect the ball.

And i won't get too angry if a hard hit jars the ball loose, I won't, unless he's not carrying the ball correctly for the given situation.

ThaVirus 12-14-2015 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 11952613)
He's in his third season, it's time for the goofy mistakes to be done. He's not a rookie, so he can't use "rookie mistake" anymore, so he needs to understand he can't be the highlight hero I think he's trying to be. Just play the game, remember the basics, and protect the ball.

And i won't get too angry if a hard hit jars the ball loose, I won't, unless he's not carrying the ball correctly for the given situation.


He spent his entire rookie season on IR. This is essentially his second year in the league.

Fans can be so ridiculous at times. They expect a player always to give and never take. It's just not realistic. There are 22 guys out there on the other team trying to make sure ours don't do their job and sometimes they'll do just that.

Sandy Vagina 12-14-2015 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11952615)
There are 22 guys out there on the other team trying to make sure ours don't do their job and sometimes they'll do just that.

What a stupid thing to say. Those other 22 players didn't make Kelce drop a crucial pass... or force him to draw a penalty that negated another TD.

Sure, people screw up on occasion.. but Kelce has been screwing up some big ones this season, and last. Fans are justified in showing displeasure over it, and just want him to get his head out of his ass. No one is saying he should be benched, cut, etc..

ThaVirus 12-14-2015 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11952620)
What a stupid thing to say. Those other 22 players didn't make Kelce drop a crucial pass... or force him to draw a penalty that negated another TD.



Sure, people screw up on occasion.. but Kelce has been screwing up some big ones this season, and last. Fans are justified in showing displeasure over it, and just want him to get his head out of his ass. No one is saying he should be benched, cut, etc..


They did indirectly. He probably dropped he pass anticipating a hit or the run after catch and you don't draw a penalty by not touching another play somehow.

The idea here is to weigh the good with the bad. Does Jamaal fumble sometimes? Yes, of course, but he also gives you more TDs and yards per touch of any player in the league. Does Kelce drop passes sometimes? Yes, of course, but the potential reward he gives you far outweighs the risk and throwing the ball his way far more often than not results in positive plays. FAR more often.

Kman34 12-14-2015 07:56 AM

He either needs better coaching or he is too boneheaded to take it...

Simply Red 12-14-2015 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 11952128)
Maybe Gronk is coached a little better...

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Molitoth 12-14-2015 08:54 AM

Kelce has received way too much praise.

He is the most over-hyped player on this team: brought to you by the national media and Chiefs fans.

ThaVirus 12-14-2015 08:59 AM

Travis Kelce is like a female version of Gronk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 11952750)
Kelce has received way too much praise.

He is the most over-hyped player on this team: brought to you by the national media and Chiefs fans.


He averages 13 YPC. He catches the vast majority of targets. He had the most YAC of any TE in the league last season. He's big. He's fast.

cmh6476 12-14-2015 09:14 AM

Are you saying you would give him a reach around?

Sandy Vagina 12-14-2015 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11952638)
They did indirectly. He probably dropped he pass anticipating a hit or the run after catch and you don't draw a penalty by not touching another play somehow.

The idea here is to weigh the good with the bad. Does Jamaal fumble sometimes? Yes, of course, but he also gives you more TDs and yards per touch of any player in the league. Does Kelce drop passes sometimes? Yes, of course, but the potential reward he gives you far outweighs the risk and throwing the ball his way far more often than not results in positive plays. FAR more often.

The problem with this is, we are talking about a TE that is targeted what?.. 6-7 times on average... compared to a RB that generally averages ? 25 opportunities?

Obviously, the RB is going to have some more screwups. The TE has to make the most of his limited impact... and we see how capable Kelce is.. but he's got to cut down on the focus errors (which focus seems to be the true issue on nearly all of his wtf? moments.

Halfcan 12-14-2015 09:26 AM

Kelce has been disappointing this year. You can see by his number of targets-that Andy is tired of his poor play.

ThaVirus 12-14-2015 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmh6476 (Post 11952788)
Are you saying you would give him a reach around?


I mean, the man is handsome as balls, let's be honest here. 6'5", muscular, chiseled jaw, light eyes. If he came on to me I don't think I could resist. Neither could your wife.

ThaVirus 12-14-2015 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11952806)
The problem with this is, we are talking about a TE that is targeted what?.. 6-7 times on average... compared to a RB that generally averages ? 25 opportunities?



Obviously, the RB is going to have some more screwups. The TE has to make the most of his limited impact... and we see how capable Kelce is.. but he's got to cut down on the focus errors (which focus seems to be the true issue on nearly all of his wtf? moments.


That's why his mistakes are magnified.

But he's not only playing 6-7 snaps per game. He's out there busting ass blocking for our backs and drawing coverages away from other guys on all of our other offensive plays.

He's open a lot more than he's targeted also. We need to feed the beast.

NJChiefsFan 12-14-2015 09:48 AM

Kelce is fantastic running with the ball, when he holds on to it. He is a dynamic player, I don't see how that is debatable. There are only so many passing stats to go around in this offense, even when it is going like it has the past 2 months. With the connection Alex now has with Maclin, it's not shocking that Kelce's numbers have gone down.

He is still making plays in the red zone. The more Smith and Kelce let his size be an asset in the red zone, the better he will be. They utilize it on slants, throwing it high, would like to see them expand on that.

dirk digler 12-14-2015 09:51 AM

Kelce has all the physical tools but has a 10 cent brain.

ChiefAshhole1056 12-14-2015 09:55 AM

He's going to break off a crucial 40+ yard TD in the next few weeks and everyone's going to hop on his dick again.

He's our most dangerous player with the ball in his hands, period. I think he is struggling due to the lack of consistent touches, and with someone as big of an ego as he does I think it gets in his head and has mental lapses when he isn't involved in the game.

Sandy Vagina 12-14-2015 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11952857)
That's why his mistakes are magnified.

But he's not only playing 6-7 snaps per game. He's out there busting ass blocking for our backs and drawing coverages away from other guys on all of our other offensive plays.

He's open a lot more than he's targeted also. We need to feed the beast.

I don't disagree with any of this... and yet it still changes nothing of what I was saying before.

Kelce may never get that much focus.. so long as JMac is here, and KC elects to spread the ball around. He sure as shit won't be a priority in Andy's play design, if he doesn't cut down these ridiculous mistakes.

Chiefnj2 12-14-2015 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11952812)
Kelce has been disappointing this year. You can see by his number of targets-that Andy is tired of his poor play.

Kelce lit it up week 1 and was ignored the following weeks. Had nothing to do with his "poor play". It's Reid's wacky ass playcalling.

notorious 12-14-2015 10:25 AM

Well,that settles it. Kelce is going to go off the next few weeks.

**** the haters.

Saccopoo 12-14-2015 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11951761)
He makes our QB look 10x better than he actually is. Be careful what you wish for or we'll be back throwing to bums like Fasano and that bearded ****.

No he doesn't.

He's an idiot right now.

He's taking points off the board nearly every week dropping easily caught balls or fumbling away the ball on moronic decisions. Makes a great block then whiffs on a critical third down.

He's got all the talent in the world, but he plays like a reerun a lot of the time.

Consistency trumps ceiling. Kelce has not been consistent.

You know why a guy like Greg Olsen is so valuable for his team?

Because he catches and holds onto the ****ing ball.

O.city 12-14-2015 10:57 AM

Did Kelce drop a sure TD yesterday that I missed or something? I don't remember him having a dropped pass?

Discuss Thrower 12-14-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11953023)
Did Kelce drop a sure TD yesterday that I missed or something? I don't remember him having a dropped pass?

Got two hands on a pass between the hashes and then managed to punt the ball whilst on the run right into a defender's shins as he tried to pull it in.

Amnorix 12-14-2015 11:52 AM

Saying a TE isn't quite Gronk isn't much of an insult. Gronk is ****ing ridiculous. Kelce is pretty damn good.

O.city 12-14-2015 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11953038)
Got two hands on a pass between the hashes and then managed to punt the ball whilst on the run right into a defender's shins as he tried to pull it in.

Holy shit, thats the pass their all up in arms about?

IIRC, that was a pretty crazy tough catch in traffic. I mean yeah, youd like to see him make it,but **** me.

Discuss Thrower 12-14-2015 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11953197)
Holy shit, thats the pass their all up in arms about?

IIRC, that was a pretty crazy tough catch in traffic. I mean yeah, youd like to see him make it,but **** me.

It wasn't the most egregious drop of the game, for sure.

O.city 12-14-2015 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11953218)
It wasn't the most egregious drop of the game, for sure.

I thought he got hit and the ball knocked out, didn't even consider it a drop myself.


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