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pugsnotdrugs19 05-04-2016 04:56 PM

NFL Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?
 
100-91 starts at 7pm Arrowhead time. I love this show, every year it's one of my favorites. Really gives a good insight to player opinions around the league. With all that said, who do you see making the list for us this year? Last year, we had Jamaal Charles (12), Justin Houston (27, criminally low after 22 sack season), Jeremy Maclin (61, after signing), and Tamba Hali (70).

I'll predict that this year making the player's list will be....

Charles (he'll make it, trust me)
Maclin
Kelce
Houston
Hali
DJ
Peters
Berry

That's 8 for me, which would likely be tied for the most or 2nd most in the league amongst teams...

Thus far:

Justin Houston:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Justin-Houston

Eric Berry: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-55-Eric-Berry

Marcus Peters: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Marcus-Peters

Jamaal Charles: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Jamaal-Charles

Derrick Johnson: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...errick-Johnson

Alex Smith: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-81-Alex-Smith

Tamba Hali: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-84-Tamba-Hali

Travis Kelce
: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...1-Travis-Kelce

Jeremy Maclin: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Jeremy-Maclin

BleedingRed 05-04-2016 04:59 PM

Charles (doesnt make it)
Maclin - # 54
Kelce - #81
Houston - #75
Hali - (doesnt make it)
DJ - #92
Peters - # 32
Berry - #15
Poe - #21

pugsnotdrugs19 05-04-2016 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 12216330)
Charles (doesnt make it)
Maclin - # 54
Kelce - #81
Houston - #75
Hali - (doesnt make it)
DJ - #92
Peters - # 48
Berry - #31

I'll be shocked if Charles falls off the list.

I get the injury for being the reason, but players keep injured guys on the list every year. To drop from #12 to completely off seems far fetched..

Also, Poe has never made the list at all so, if he does, you're probably looking at the 100-91 range.

Rain Man 05-04-2016 05:02 PM

Charles - 25
DJ - 84
Tamba - 88
Berry 76

Houston, Peters, and Poe might slip onto the list. But Houston's injury will hurt him, Peters is young, and Poe is underrated.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-04-2016 05:04 PM

I can confirm Kelce makes the list, as he was on the TV ad for it the other day.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-04-2016 06:41 PM

Jeremy Maclin is the first Chief to make the list at #93.

Three7s 05-04-2016 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12216490)
Jeremy Maclin is the first Chief to make the list at #93.

I thought Maclin would probably be in the 90s.

O.city 05-04-2016 06:51 PM

Maclin
Poe
Berry
DJ
Houston
Peters
Kelce
Hali

Three7s 05-04-2016 06:51 PM

Kelce is gonna be 91.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-04-2016 06:52 PM

Yep, Kelce is #91.

Think we have a good shot to get 8 guys.

jd1020 05-04-2016 06:55 PM

Seems a bit early for Peters to make the list, imo.

I'll go with

Maclin (100% sure he'll make the list)
Charles
Houston
Berry
Kelce
Alex Smith

Three7s 05-04-2016 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12216511)
Seems a bit early for Peters to make the list, imo.

I'll go with

Maclin (100% sure he'll make the list)
Charles
Houston
Berry
Kelce
Alex Smith

:eek:

jd1020 05-04-2016 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 12216520)
:eek:

https://38.media.tumblr.com/092de2d4...rfnrp7_500.gif

pugsnotdrugs19 05-04-2016 07:01 PM

Hate to nit pick here because nothing can change it, but damn I wish Kelce was younger. Considering he's only got two full seasons in, and turning 27 in October, seems crazy.

RunKC 05-04-2016 07:18 PM

He probably won't make it bc of a lack of popularity, but Jaye Howard deserves to be on the list

stumppy 05-04-2016 07:59 PM

How about an update

CapsLockKey 05-04-2016 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12216522)
Hate to nit pick here because nothing can change it, but damn I wish Kelce was younger. Considering he's only got two full seasons in, and turning 27 in October, seems crazy.

At least he's a TE and not a RB. That position has a much longer lifespan in the NFL. Look at how many seasons guys like Gonzo, Gates and Witten played at a high level.

Toby Waller 05-04-2016 10:26 PM

Lol Incognito is 97

Toby Waller 05-04-2016 10:57 PM

Kelce,91

thabear04 05-04-2016 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12216336)
Charles - 25
DJ - 84
Tamba - 88
Berry 76

Houston, Peters, and Poe might slip onto the list. But Houston's injury will hurt him, Peters is young, and Poe is underrated.

I read on NFL.com saying that Peters was making the list so I guess will see if he makes it.

RobBlake 05-05-2016 12:27 AM

Alex deserves to be on that list if Incognito is.

jspchief 05-05-2016 04:08 PM

15 QBs made the list.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 05:02 PM

There aren't many people who think Andrew Luck is as overrated as I do, but if you've got 15 QBs on the list, he should be ahead of at least 7 or 8 of them.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 05:03 PM

And if Alex were to make it, he should have gone somewhere between 90-100.

Positional value be damned, he's not better at his job than Maclin or Kelce are at theirs.

Rain Man 05-05-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12217863)
15 QBs made the list.

(Sigh.)

So half of the quarterbacks in the league are better than 90+% of starters at other positions?

In fairness, I guess this is possible if the best athletes become quarterbacks at an early age and stay at the position through high school, college, and the pros. It's just hard for me to believe that an average quarterback is in the top 14 percent of players leaguewide.

RobBlake 05-05-2016 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12217954)
And if Alex were to make it, he should have gone somewhere between 90-100.

Positional value be damned, he's not better at his job than Maclin or Kelce are at theirs.

Alex smith was better at his job than Andrew luck was last year- potential be damned

thabear04 05-05-2016 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12218179)
Alex smith was better at his job than Andrew luck was last year- potential be damned

Peyton Manning made the list and he didn't even play the year he made it. I think it's just a bunch of BS that's made up and to kill time until training camp come up.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12218179)
Alex smith was better at his job than Andrew luck was last year- potential be damned



Well the list is obviously based a bit off of 2015 production, but it's actually a ranking of the top 100 players for the upcoming season.

Since Luck is younger and had more success in the past, he's got far more potential than Smith.

RobBlake 05-05-2016 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218430)
Well the list is obviously based a bit off of 2015 production, but it's actually a ranking of the top 100 players for the upcoming season.

Since Luck is younger and had more success in the past, he's got far more potential than Smith.

how much more success has he had tho? Incognito is on the list but alex isn't? Alex is a consistent producer.. should certainly be on the list over a guy like that.. not saying luck shouldn'tb e higher even though i think he's highly overrated.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12218436)
how much more success has he had tho?.


LMAO

Come on, bro.

RobBlake 05-05-2016 10:50 PM

:)ROFL
too much?
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218438)
LMAO

Come on, bro.


ThaVirus 05-05-2016 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12218440)
:)ROFL

too much?



You're channeling your inner Sandy. Reel yourself in before I'm forced to pimp slap you.

Toby Waller 05-05-2016 10:51 PM

If Alex Smith was on last year's list,he'll be on this one

RobBlake 05-05-2016 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218444)
You're channeling your inner Sandy. Reel yourself in before I'm forced to pimp slap you.

this black on black crime needs to stop!

and one must never go sandy.

jd1020 05-05-2016 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12218436)
how much more success has he had tho?

For real?

The Colts rush offense and defense was ~20th in the league from 2012-2014, outside of 2013 for the defense.

Meanwhile Luck lead the best passing offense in the league in 2014 while throwing 40 TDs and their 3rd straight playoff appearance.

Luck is the Colts.

RobBlake 05-05-2016 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218453)
For real?

The Colts rush offense and defense was ~20th in the league from 2012-2014, outside of 2013 for the defense.

Meanwhile Luck lead the best passing offense in the league in 2014 while throwing 40 TDs and their 3rd straight playoff appearance.

Luck is the Colts.

i shouldn't drink and talk about alex, i sipppose.

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ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218446)
If Alex Smith was on last year's list,he'll be on this one



I don't think he's ever made this list

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12218048)
(Sigh.)

So half of the quarterbacks in the league are better than 90+% of starters at other positions?

In fairness, I guess this is possible if the best athletes become quarterbacks at an early age and stay at the position through high school, college, and the pros. It's just hard for me to believe that an average quarterback is in the top 14 percent of players leaguewide.

Ya, I'll be interested to see who all these QBs are.

1) Brady
2) Rodgers
3) Wilson
4) Brees
5) Roethlisberger
6) Luck
7) Newton
8) Rivers
9) E. Manning
10) Ryan
11) Romo

And now I'm drawing blanks. Palmer, Dalton, ummm..... Flacco and Stafford????? The last 2 are tough. Seems a bit early for guys like Carr.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:11 PM

15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

Leaves 2 more spots open. I'd say those spots will go toooooooo.. Stafford and Alex Smiff.

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218468)
15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

It's too soon for Luck but not for Bortles? Lolwut?

Toby Waller 05-05-2016 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218468)
15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

Leaves 2 more spots open. I'd say those spots will go toooooooo.. Stafford and Alex Smiff.

Lol Romo and Bortles aren't on it

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218474)
Lol Romo and Bortles aren't on it

Wasn't Romo in the 30's last year? If you dont think he's on the list somewhere you are delusional.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218472)
It's too soon for Luck but not for Bortles? Lolwut?



Luck was injured much of the season. You have to incorporate recency bias.

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218479)
Luck was injured much of the season. You have to incorporate recency bias.

This isn't a best of 2015 list.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218474)
Lol Romo and Bortles aren't on it



Both will be on it.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218472)
It's too soon for Luck but not for Bortles? Lolwut?



Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218480)
This isn't a best of 2015 list.



I'm confused. What the **** are you arguing?

Toby Waller 05-05-2016 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218481)
Both will be on it.

Is the list already visible?
If not,Romo is no where near the list

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218468)
15 QBs with Carr and Luck already making it?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Romo, Palmer, Newton, Dalton, Bortles. Those are all locks.

Leaves 2 more spots open. I'd say those spots will go toooooooo.. Stafford and Alex Smiff.


Let me revise this. Drop Alex Smiff and replace him with Eli Manning. Bigger media market. They love choking on Manning cock.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218485)
Is the list already visible?

If not,Romo is no where near the list



Ok. Kill yourself.

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218483)
I'm confused. What the **** are you arguing?

This list is a best of 2016 NFL players before the season even starts. 1 injury year isn't going to drop Luck from #7 to off the list entirely.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218488)
This list is a best of 2016 NFL players before the season even starts. 1 injury year isn't going to drop Luck from #7 to off the list entirely.



Ummmm.. Ok?

Luck is already ON the list- we know that. And not more than a couple hours ago I argued that, despite a down season, Luck should be ranked higher than all but maybe 7-8 QBs at the most.

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218490)
Ummmm.. Ok?

Luck is already ON the list- we know that. And not more than a couple hours ago I argued that, despite a down season, Luck should be ranked higher than all but maybe 7-8 QBs at the most.

Then I misread your initial post because I wasn't thinking Carr would be on the list after 1 good season.

If Carr and Luck are the first QBs to be named to the list then there's no ****ing chance Smith can be on this list.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218492)
Then I misread your initial post because I wasn't thinking Carr would be on the list after 1 good season.



I haven't actually watched the show but saw something about it on social media. Carr was ranked #100 and Luck #92, IIRC. People are also saying 15 QBs made the list.

So I was just trying to fill in the blanks. Bortles will be on it for sure. So will Romo. Do you disagree?

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218492)
Then I misread your initial post because I wasn't thinking Carr would be on the list after 1 good season.

If Carr and Luck are the first QBs to be named to the list then there's no ****ing chance Smith can be on this list.



I have to agree, but that last spot is giving me a lot of trouble. Guys like Eli, Flacco, Cutler and Ryan will probably be front runners but who gets it out of them?

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218493)
I haven't actually watched the show but saw something about it on social media. Carr was ranked #100 and Luck #92, IIRC. People are also saying 15 QBs made the list.

So I was just trying to fill in the blanks. Bortles will be on it for sure. So will Romo. Do you disagree?

I would put my money on Cousins over Bortles at this point. Cousins completed 69.8% of his passes last season with a 101 rating and he has more name recognition at this point.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218498)
I would put my money on Cousins over Bortles at this point. Cousins completed 69.8% of his passes last season with a 101 rating and he has more name recognition at this point.



Cousins! I had forgotten about him. Yeah, he could definitely get the nod with his age. He's got potential.

I'm still sticking to my Bortles guns though. I think he'll make it.

Toby Waller 05-05-2016 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218488)
This list is a best of 2016 NFL players before the season even starts. 1 injury year isn't going to drop Luck from #7 to off the list entirely.

How the **** is it a list of who they think will be good?
No,it's a list of who they thought was good last year.
That's why Luck us at the bottom for hardly playing.
But he played more than Romo.
Ultimately, the llist is a pointless waste of time
But I'll easily gamble Romo ain't on it and Alex Smith is.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:40 PM

Bortles threw 35 TDs last season and that Jaguars offense is on the come up.

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218506)
How the **** is it a list of who they think will be good?
No,it's a list of who they thought was good last year.
That's why Luck us at the bottom for hardly playing.

You know how I know you are stupid? When you think someone who started 7 games and wasn't particularly good last season is on the list because of what he did in 2015 only.

Toby Waller 05-05-2016 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218510)
Bortles threw 35 TDs last season and that Jaguars offense is on the come up.

Lol the Jaguars aren't going anywhere.
His stats are meaningless until they have any amount of post season success and they never will.
If he ends up on the list,it's so dumb ass Jag fans have their false hope fueled.

Toby Waller 05-05-2016 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218513)
You know how I know you are stupid? When you think someone who started 7 games and wasn't particularly good last season is on the list because of what he did in 2015 only.

I explained how that happened.

"You know how I know you're stupid "....?
Only unoriginal, childish,dumb ass,Internet losers use that tired
Excuse for an insult.

I already explained how unimportant and useless a top 100 list is
but I'll still be right.
Get on my level! !!!!!

jd1020 05-05-2016 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218518)
I explained how that happened.

You explained what, dipshit? That he played more than Romo? Explain how he's 8 spots higher than Carr who started 16 games, dumbass.

ThaVirus 05-05-2016 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218516)
Lol the Jaguars aren't going anywhere.

His stats are meaningless until they have any amount of post season success and they never will.

If he ends up on the list,it's so dumb ass Jag fans have their false hope fueled.


You make a lot of claims as if you've got a crystal ball somewhere

Toby Waller 05-06-2016 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12218522)
You make a lot of claims as if you've got a crystal ball somewhere

When have the Jags been successful since they caught all the rainbows in expansion?
You don't need a crystal ball. You just need to know who the bit players are and the main characters.
The Colts will always own the afc south.
The titans,Jags and Texans will always get nothing more than the occasional reward bisquit losing in the first or second round if they ever make the playoffs.

jspchief 05-06-2016 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218464)
Ya, I'll be interested to see who all these QBs are.

1) Brady
2) Rodgers
3) Wilson
4) Brees
5) Roethlisberger
6) Luck
7) Newton
8) Rivers
9) E. Manning
10) Ryan
11) Romo

And now I'm drawing blanks. Palmer, Dalton, ummm..... Flacco and Stafford????? The last 2 are tough. Seems a bit early for guys like Carr.

Mariota or Winston? I don't know what the criteria is, but if hype for 2016 is part of it maybe they make it? I don't know hard to make a case for 13 more QBs ranked higher than Luck.

Three7s 05-06-2016 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12218577)
Mariota or Winston? I don't know what the criteria is, but if hype for 2016 is part of it maybe they make it? I don't know hard to make a case for 13 more QBs ranked higher than Luck.

I would go with:

Aaron Rodgers
Rom Brady
Ben Rapethisburger
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Matt Ryan
Matt Rivers
Cam Newton
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Carson Palmer
Russell Wilson

jd1020 05-06-2016 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 12218626)
I would go with:

Aaron Rodgers
Rom Brady
Ben Rapethisburger
Andy Dalton
Kirk Cousins
Matt Ryan
Matt Rivers
Cam Newton
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Carson Palmer
Russell Wilson

Peyton Manning is retired. If he's on the list of best players in the NFL going into 2016 then you might as well just scrap this entire thing.

mcaj22 05-06-2016 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Waller (Post 12218516)
Lol the Jaguars aren't going anywhere.
His stats are meaningless until they have any amount of post season success and they never will.
If he ends up on the list,it's so dumb ass Jag fans have their false hope fueled.

If Blake Bortles stats are meaningless because he has no post season success than Jamaal Charles stats are also meaningless because he also has no post season success.

Rain Man 05-06-2016 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12218722)
Peyton Manning is retired. If he's on the list of best players in the NFL going into 2016 then you might as well just scrap this entire thing.

Especially since he was the worst quarterback in the league last year. Who still "won" a Super Bowl as a going away gift from the league. (Though technically isn't this supposed to be the list of the best players last year, so retirement shouldn't count?) Either way, I'd be surprised if he's not on it because of his TV commercials.

Goodell really showed his hand last year. There's a reason why he got booed every time he walked on stage at the draft.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-11-2016 05:19 PM

Two more Chiefs are set to make the list tonight from 90-81. Who ya got?

My money is on Hali and DJ.

I think Peters, Berry, Charles and Houston will be a little higher.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-11-2016 06:34 PM

There's Tamba. 84.

BossChief 05-11-2016 06:56 PM

Alex Smith is #81

pugsnotdrugs19 05-11-2016 07:11 PM

Well deserved.

OldSchool 05-11-2016 07:13 PM

Smitty. He's better than a lot of people perceive him to be and is deserving of being on this list.

jd1020 05-11-2016 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12227042)
Smitty. He's better than a lot of people perceive him to be and is deserving of being on this list.

Now's the chance to trade him while his value appears to be at its peak!

OldSchool 05-11-2016 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12227059)
Now's the chance to trade him while his value appears to be at its peak!

Sure if you're happy to go back to 5 win seasons you loser. ROFL

jd1020 05-11-2016 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12227062)
Sure if you're happy to go back to 5 win seasons you loser. ROFL

Because the teams success is based on the passing game. ROFL

hometeam 05-11-2016 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12226961)
There's Tamba. 84.

1 of 13 players in the top 100 all 6 years of the show.


And some of yall wanted to scrap him up to FOUR years ago??

WUT?

ChiefsCountry 05-11-2016 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12227042)
Smitty. He's better than a lot of people perceive him to be and is deserving of being on this list.

You must masturbate to an Alex Smith fathead every night.

jd1020 05-11-2016 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12227093)
You must masturbate to an Alex Smith fathead every night.

That's not how you spell Chandler Jones.


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