Luck signs extension - no numbers yet
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash">#Colts</a> QB Andrew Luck&#39;s 5-year extension pays him $75M over the first 3 years, source said. Slightly less over final 2 years.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/748236373715464194">June 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On his 5-year extension, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash">#Colts</a> QB Andrew Luck is now the highest paid player in the NFL, source said. Puts him over Joe Flacco&#39;s $22.1M.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/748235801557868545">June 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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**** Luck

This dude is a risk after that awful year. And now he's the highest paid player?

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/6/2...contract-colts

According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, the deal exceeds the $22.1 million Joe Flacco averages per year, making Luck the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL.

Rapoport said the guaranteed money in Luck's new deal will pay out approximately $75 million over the first three years, and slightly less in the last two years of the contract.

Colts need a new GM and coach for Luck to win a Super Bowl but he is good enough to get one despite the GM and Coach I presume.

He is just going take a licking we will see if he can keep on ticking. I like Andrew Luck but could give a **** about the Colts.

I don't get it. Sure, he's got the tools and potential, but what the **** has this guy done to set himself apart from anyone? He's a serviceable pro quarterback until he proves otherwise.

Put Andrew Luck here and we are the Super Bowl favorites hands down. Don't be stupid idiots about Luck.

Exactly. It's not Luck's fault he got drafted by the team with the worst GM in the NFL.

He's a starting NFL QB.

He's a stud. If we had him for this season I'd have a street parade.

Since his rookie year in 2012 he's had season TD totals of 23,23,40, and 15(partial season due to injury) with INTs of 18,9,16,12.
He's a natural QB who sees the whole field, stands in and takes hits, and can and will go deep. All with a bottom 1/3 Oline and a front office and coach that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the NFL.
Guy is a stud.

Luck now costs more than Brady PLUS Gronk. ROFL

Brady is old. Luck is the future. Of course he makes more.

I agree with all of that except the coach part. Chuck Pagano is a damn good coach. He just doesn't have much to work with outside of Luck. Grigson is the worst GM in the league.

I'd pay him that, if we could. On this team? You are gal darned right (to staylor26's point).

This bloated contract should at least hinder the Colts in bringing in supporting talent. Their poor choices in trades and drafting will hopefully continue to hurt them as well.

Yeah, I was a little harsh on Pagano but I feel like part of the blame for Luck taking such a god awful beating is on him. Of course, if his FO would draft a ****ing O lineman once in a blue moon...

So, he's getting roughly 2X the guaranteed $ that KC gave Alex Smith... worth it.

Imagine what Alex's next extension is going to cost now!

In all seriousness wasn't there a study on how teams did when 20% (or something Aron d that) or more of their cap space was tied up in 1 player and it wasn't good?

Luck's biggest problem is that he plays for two dipshits and has a charity case for a head coach.

Due to the stupidity of the franchise tag he couldn't really leave. If this were basketball or baseball, his ass would be gone (and rightly so) after this year.

I'm not saying he's not worth it in today's era of insanely inflated QB salaries, but I keep wondering when Luck is gonna live up to the hype.

When he takes a smaller salary and allows the team to build around him. Chiefs are geniuses in this regard.

I don't know about a study but QB's can kill their own team with their salary demands.

Peyton Manning killed the colts
Brees killing the saints
Luck looks to be killing the colts again

The benefits of having a great QB start dropping as soon as they start their 'highest paid in the league' race.

They will treat Luck like Manning. He will have to win with his arm without help on the defensive side. Teams will drop[ 40 on them this year for sure as they have nothing on defense at all.

Not worth it

Even at that, for a franchise qb it's pretty underpaid compared to other sports and their salaries.

If luck plays to that level, it's worth it

I have a feeling the NFL will treat Luck like Manning as well. Who are the other 'stud' QB's they could pimp?

25 mill a year?

:rolleyes:

ESPN is saying $140M over 6 years with $87M guaranteed.

Holy shit.

^

Highly talented guy. But He's a gunslinger. He needs a strong HC to sort of reign him at times.

Luck averaging $24.6 million per year isn't surprising given his age and performance when healthy. Rodgers is earning $22, Flacco $22.1, Wilson $21.9 and so on.

The cap is rising a minimum of $10 million per year, so the Colts shouldn't be Cap strapped.

But the biggest challenge the Colts face is that Grigson is the worst GM in recent history, even worse than Scott Pioli in KC, and that four years after Luck was drafted, their coaching staff and roster are worse.

As for those that say Luck "isn't worth it", put him in Arizona, Denver, KC, Cincy, Minnesota, Buffalo, the Jets or the Rams.

Everyone of those teams would be an instant Super Bowl favorite for the foreseeable future with Luck as their QB.

Only problem with Luck is the stupid ass turnovers he commits. He's a true franchise QB, but I would honestly rather have Russell Wilson at this point.

:eek:

Alex is worth $140m then. I can't even...

Because it has to be one extreme or the other.

Definitely had to be done. I just hope he learns how to play with a little more concern for his health.

The o-line will be better this year so in theory that should help.

We now have Luck, Hilton, Allen, Castonzo, and Kelly all locked up through 2019.

Now, about the defense.......:eek:

I think it's a smart move. The time is coming... in 5 years, who are the great QBs going to be? Him. Wilson, likely Newton? Luck has clearly done the most with the least out of that group.

And if you gave Luck a defense that allowed 14 ppg like Wilson has had... Luck would likely have a Super Bowl or two under his belt.

That contract is just fine if you have a half competent GM who can add a couple defensive playmakers and an OL through the draft.

The Colts do not.

i understand he has to sign that contract


but he should get the f out of indy, the gm is wasting his career...

Manning and Brees both have rings with those teams... Luck might get there, certainly has the potential. Matt Ryan signed a 104M deal in 2013 with just shy of $60M guaranteed.

If you want to keep a young top QB, you gotta pay him... like it or not.

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Russell Wilson
Joe Flacco
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees

Those 8 QBs have won 14 of the last 15 Superbowls... and they've been a part of 6 SB losses... those 8 guys get their teams to the big game, so you pay the best of the bunch now in hopes you do the same thing.

Flacco, Ryan, Luck, Stafford, Dalton, Newton ... and some others will continue to break contract records.

Everyone wants a franchise QB. Don't want to pay for one though.

Chiefs doing it right. And in contention.

Bengals have 'been in contention' too... there's no true right or wrong way to do it, the trick is getting away from bad contracts or aging players before it's too late and just knowing when to move on.

Dalton is not a franchise QB my man.

Really... ok, where do you rank him?

Dalton is iffy but when he's on he's really good.

He's worse than Peyton in the post season though.

I think there is a proven way. Getting good talent cheap and developing through the draft.

NE and Denver are good examples, but Seattle might be the best I've ever seen. All of ther best players were pro bowl caliber guys on rookie contracts when they won the SB.

That's insane.

Luck signs extension - no numbers yet
 

This will likely work out for the Colts given cap and contract escalation. The Colts also basically had to sign him long-term but he's not earned that kind of cash just yet. He just came off his worst season yet. Injury be damned- he was playing like hot ass prior to it anyway.

Weird comparison...

Honestly, I put guys like Dalton, Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Cutler in the same box - all sorts of upside, but not a whole lot of consistency really and more periods of blech than greatness.

Peyton, for all his regular season glamour, has had some shit ass postseasons. At times its looked like a completely different QB suits up in January. Dalton's been the same. That's the comparison I was making.

SEA got really lucky there... that was lightning in a bottle. I think PIT and NE do a damn fine job of building through the draft, same with the Ravens.

Few teams have consistently done that though, so you have to mix in aggressive FA moves. That's what Denver did after the SEA loss.

I found it weird because Dalton hasn't won 'a' game... so he's worse than most every QB ever in the playoffs.

True enough. Tons of QBs have sucked in the playoffs, but not many have had such a good/great regular season track record turn to complete shit in the post season on several occasions like Peyton and Dalton.

I recognize that Peyton is a great QB so if you're white knighting him there's no need.

Nope, wasn't even going to go there... stats are stats. Elway was a badass and he and his teams had 3 of the worst SB losses ever. Sh*t happens, sometimes it's not all the QB, just like in wins - it's not always because of what they did. But, that's the position that gets all the glory and all the blame.

I thought they got lucky there as well, but then our GM took surplus guys that Schneider originally found in Ron Parker, Jaye Howard and Spencer Ware and they are very good players for us.

Schneider is the real deal. He even proved it last year again with Frank Clark, Thomas Rawls and Tyler Lockett.

It's no wonder GB was so good for so long. Schneider, Dorsey and McKenzie have done a good job since they left GB. All those guys in the same room as Ted Thompson just isn't fair.

And, that's the part that's incredibly underrated by fans and critics... it's not just gathering great players and spending big dollars, it's gathering the right great players.

Why are you so shocked? Wilson may not put up gaudy stats, but has been cluch multiple times and was a bad play call away from being a back to back champion.

You mean by paying a QB on a rookie contract?

What has luck done to deserve this?

Exactly !!

His o-line was horrid at pass blocking last year and why he threw more interceptions and got hurt.

You're a worthless ****tard, regardless of the topic

A lot, but it is irrelevant. You should be paid based on future expectations, not past performance. I expect him to be a top 3-5 QB over the length of that contract if healthy.

How much of that is desperation to win the game with his arm in spite of the lack of talent surrounding him? With the right supporting cast around him, he'd be a playoff favorite every year.

Luck just needs a guy to accompany T.Y and he will be golden

Let's not get carried away. Luck has WRs and TEs to throw to. His line might be bad, but lets not act like the entire offense has no talent.

Not looking to debate, but I'm just curious from a rival fan's perspective where Alex Smith falls. Is he in that box you described? If so, is he top half? Bottom half?

Never seen a dude get so many passes.

Why didn't Tannehill get the same passes?

Tannehill has never even had a winning season.

Luck has three 11 win seasons with a defense that's never ranked in the top half of the league in both points/yards, 3 playoff wins and an AFC championship game appearance.

That's because his team has been buns.

Talk about having no supporting cast.. His offensive line was worse than Luck's for his first two seasons. Running game has been trash with the exception of Miller having an alright year in 2015. No receivers outside of Landry this past season. Worse coaching than Luck's ever had to deal with. And he plays in a competent division.

**** the Colts.

As Chief fans we should be the first to know how good Luck is.

As Chiefs fan, we also realize that ****tards like yourself are incapable of proper grammar and punctuation.

I don't know where I put Alex, to be honest... it's a passing league and has been for a while, but his best production is 23 TDs. I think he's a smarter and safer Cutler, and you can build around that... but, I don't know where I would slot him.

I think I'd take a dozen QBs out there before him, pretty easily, if building a team around a QB at this point. Alex hasn't really been asked to carry the team, maybe he has in a moment or during some drives...

It's a statistical guarantee in the NFL that teams that sink the bulk of their CAP space into quarterbacks never win the SB. It's the teams that stack the defensive back position and create depth in the defensive line -- with quarterbacks not playing on Max contracts -- that can win out. Baltimore, Seattle and Denver (Peyton didn't have a max contract) had defenses. Baltimore (2016), The Saints (2016), The Giants, and the Chargers all imploded when they gave the QB a max contract. One of the dumbest things a GM can do. Just draft kirk cousins or russel wilson-like talent every three year while stacking the defense. A good offensive coordinator with weapons can get average quarterbacks to play like Tom Brady (see Kirk Cousins).

http://overthecap.com/super-bowl-tit...-quarterbacks/

View through 2013, and since 1994 - (19 seasons)
The QB of the SB winning team's contract as a % of Cap Money spent for that team... topped 8% only 7 times.

Dude, your cute...

Better pull up our panties, Amrite?

May we all see the day when the Chiefs have to make the #1 overall pick a $25M quarterback, because he keeps winning 11 games and throwing for 4,000 yards.