****2016 Chiefs Training Camp Thread****
 

QBs and rookies report today.

Sorry if Q, didn't search.

Dinny

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Division is ours this year. Let's do this....

Alex Smith sucks

Make or break: Dee Ford, Chris Conley, Phillip Gaines

Here we go

Ford and Gaines? Certainly.

But a 3rd round WR in year two? No way it's "make or break" time for Conley. I do expect to see improvement though.

If conley isn't better, Id imagine they'll start looking elsewhere

As they should, but it's still not make or break time in his career. That's absurd.

Should be their last year: Tamba Hali, Jamaal Charles, Dustin Colquitt, Mauga

**** anyone who adds Eric Berry to that list.

Career? No, doubt it.

Conley has it way harder than the others. Ford and Gaines will see lots of PT. Conley might be the 5th option on offense considering Andy uses Maclin, Kelce, JC in the flat, running game first.

Well maybe 6th since I would expect Hill to get a lot of attention.

There might be a chance Mauga doesn't make the final 53 if the young guys can step it up.

By that I mean, if Conley doesn't improve, you start to look elsewhere or give somebody like Robinson a shot. That doesn't mean you just give up on him though. Year 3 is "make or break" time IMO.

If he gets passed on the depth chart, he might stick around because of where he was drafted, but like knile davis, he could fall out of favor sooner than later.

Screw Berry. He already decided it was his last year.

You heard it here first (or maybe 2nd or 3rd. Possibly 4th or 5th)

Terrance Smith will make the final 53 roster.

Extremely athletic, highly intelligent, no whispers about his work ethic and outstanding coaches to help him put it all together

I fully expect him to make a big leap this year, he will be starting opposite Maclin by week 8 IMO

Hold up, you aren't the only one that's been pimping Smith! (Though you were the first)

He's already the #2 going into camp.

Huh, thought it nominally belonged to Wilson but I am glad to hear that

What are the training camp battles you're looking at? I've got..

-Nelson vs Russell for nickel CB
-Streater vs Conley for #2 WR
-Murray vs Brown vs Fleming for #3 S
-March vs Mauga vs Wilson for #2 ILB

Also very interested to see new formations we could run at camp this year.

LG and RG spot and #2 QB spot Bray vs Murray vs Hogan.

Dorsey should be calling the Jones boys in Dallas

The Chiefs just gave Hali a 3 year, $21 million dollar deal with $12 million guaranteed.

He'd better be back next year, even if he's just a 3rd down rusher.

Here we go again. The season comes down to two things this year and it was the same as last year. The defense will still be solid.

1. Stay healthy if possible
2. We must get more td's. We have kicked way to many fg's the last two years. Alex must improve in the red zone, if he doesn't then we are just another team.

LDT and Ehinger are the starting guards. The only way they're replaced in the starting lineup is via injury or sucking ass.

here is a twitter list I put together-updated this year.
Feel free to embed or use as needed.

https://twitter.com/RMSWeather/lists/chiefs

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Dude, Streater needs to battle to make the roster, nevermind the #2WR.

LG probably not much of a battle, but all the others pretty much nail it.

Also (perhaps)...

Gaines vs TheGround for the CB2 vs IR3 position

Hill vs DAT for KR/OW (dark horse battle for Hill vs Wilson at slot WR)

Mauga vs Smith vs Wilson for the last ILB roster spot - I'm betting on March to win the starting gig, one of the other three gets cut

Berry vs Dorsey

not necessarily battles, but i'm real curious to see Murray and White, if in fact they line up at S/CB as expected

I'm gonna need a mod to help with the embed. I have no idea and no twitter account.

Thanx in advance.

Dinny

No Berry
http://www.thescore.com/news/1065291

You know, at this point i'd just rescind the tag, wish berry good luck and move on. Enough with the bullshit.

i'm bout there too

I get it from the players side, Ie sitting out and such. But it sucks that they're gonna miss out of the continuity.

Just move on

I miss camp at River Falls. I would have been there today or tomorrow.

Still holding out some hope, but am almost at that point myself

Keep him here and make him play. He wants money so he will be motivated to get after it.

Berry is going to be this years Kam Chancellor and the team will suffer the first few weeks cause of it just like the Seahawks did last year.

This is the really ugly part of "negotiations".....sitting out with no idea if/when he'll return. Happens all over the league, but it's an ugly look. Gotta affect team chemistry and continuity if it's for an extended period.

Berry's good, but certainly not irreplaceable. I'm good with rescinding the tag and letting him walk to wherever he wants to walk. We'll play with guys who are hungry to be Chiefs........and apparently, that's not Mr Berry.

No, they won't

Berry will likely not miss any time during the regular season, just training camp.

Exactly.

Berry and his agent obviously think he's worth $12 million a year and $36 million guaranteed but in lieu of such an agreement, why would he miss a single paycheck when he's guaranteed $10.8 million this season?

Answer: He won't.

Motion not to have an on going megathread and instead create a new one for each day of camp that has the Tweet broadcaster thing mnchief posted as was as links to past TC threads.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCChiefs?src=hash">#KCChiefs</a> LB Justin Houston (ACL) not ready to take part in camp, expectation is he will have to miss time at the start of the season</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/758037176701579264">July 26, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Looking more and more like bye week before he's back.

I tried to embed the things from his post, but don't know how.

I sent a note to the mods asking for help. I don't know what else to do.

A thousand pardons.

Dinny

They can go 3-1 without him, maybe 4-0, depending on whether or not Le'Veon Bell is available and the Steelers have a passing game with out Bryant.

I still think, at worst, it'll be after the by week when Houston comes back, which is fine.

Hali/Ford and our DL can hold it down for a few weeks. This isn't a one handed/hobbled Tamba in Dec/Jan, and I fully expect Ford to be improved from where he was last year.

I thought Houston's recovery was 6-12 months. That is more like November or December.

It has been 5 months, and the timetable starts at 6 months. Are you ****ing reeruned?

No pardon necessary. It just takes a little bit of proactive measures to keep megathreads from being abject cluster****s.

i think that's far wiser move anyway

I am just saying what was put out there. 6 months is the minimum you asshole. I doubt he is ready to just cut loose right at the minimum time frame.

You are such a dick and don't use the word reeruned. You have no idea how many people have family members on here with those problems.

March is starting to hit Scanlon levels of hype. Let's see if he lives up to it.

Yeah but the dirty secret is he hasn't looked any better in minicamp at getting separation or making catches.

Year 3 is when good receivers blow up. However if Conley doesn't show improvement the "break" I was referring to is any thought of him being the wide receiver opposite Maclin. They will look elsewhere. Guys don't usually have two crappy years then blow up in the third. If he doesn't do better than 200 yards and 1 touchdown we don't have time to wait around for him to turn into something.

It would be pretty disappointing.

Wait, did I miss something somewhere that says he won't be ready for camp?

The difference is that the hype is coming from the front office instead of the fans.

Reid said Houston will be at camp but not participate.

He'll be rehabbing the entire time.

So, no training camp for him at all?

Yeah, thats not sounding to awful good.

can't say I blame him. Not much upside to the chance of injury for a veteran IMHO.

At this point, the safe bet would be Houston returning Week 5 against the Raiders after the Bye week.

If he's not ready then, his season is probably up in the air.

Exactly why I'm excited about him.

Dorsey himself has been hyping this guy up quite a bit for a guy that's an UDFA with a mere one preseason game under his belt. The last time I heard him talk about a guy that hasn't done shit like this was Kelce coming off of his injury.

I'm wondering if that means he'll start practice when they break training camp and come back to Arrowhead?

Who knows? It sounded like an open ended response.

If he doesn't practice in the preseason at all, I'd think week 5 is still pretty early.

I don't know. The guy played a handful of snaps in one preseaon game and he has been basically penciled in as a starter by a bunch of people here all off season. I haven't heard any hype from the front office either though it's obvious they think he was worth keeping around when he got hurt.

Yeah, after listening to it, pretty vague. Seems they either aren't sure or don't want to give the info.

The more I think about Conley's trash stats the more worried I get.

In 16 games with only one receiver to really compete with he caught 17 passes. He was targeted 31 times. He caught one touchdown. 199 yards. And word around the Chiefs is Conley looked terrible in mini camp. That’s without pads, the time when receivers are supposed to shine. (see: Tyreke Hill)

Sylvester Morris' rookie year was 48 catches for 678 yards and he was a "bust"*. Bowe had 70 catches for 995 yards and he was “bad”

*injury I know. But at this point the smart money is on Conley is never our #2 wide receiver, I don't care what his measurables are. You have to create separation, catch the ball, and demonstrate that you're a gamer.

I'm worried.

Link that's not just coach-speak?

There's been plenty of mention by Dorsey about his abilities and it was reported that he did well in the offseason.

Either way, I hope it's either March, Wilson or the UDFA from Florida State that starts next to DJ.

Mauga is a lump.

A yahoo reporter who's name I can't remember came to camp last year and said people in our front office were conparing him to Bart Scott (that sounds like a comparison that originally came from Sutton who coached Scott in NY).

Dorsey himself said he was the most impressive player in camp last year.

Sutton said he has fantastic instincts and got his hands on a lot of balls without many opportunities.

Do we really want a MLB who "gets his hands on alot of balls"? I mean, I tend to sway toward the liberal side..but man.

He can get his hands on as many balls as he wants, provided some of them are footballs thrown by opposing teams.

Unless Houston starts on the PUP, and then he'd have to six out the first six weeks.

I am also worried about Conley, having not gotten a lot of glowing reports. Then again, I feel like that was all coming from TJ Carpenter, who is a massive douchenozzle.

Not saying it isn't accurate, just that TJ Carpenter is a douchenozzle.

I'm quietly excited about Robinson.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...e34355688.html

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/8...om-chiefs-camp

Yeah, he's kind of a downer sometimes.

Conley is smart and poignant when he speaks but I'd rather have known dumbass Tyreke Hill in there if he can make some damn plays.

Thanks. Color me skeptical, though, as it just looks like typical camp hype to me (see comments on Conley in second link). I guess we'll see. It would be nice if the Chiefs would finally really hit on one of these camp stars.

Who cares if some idiot wasn't impressed with a guy in mini camp?

He made some plays last season when his # was called, and the team believes he's improved enough to give him the #2 spot to start camp. He's big, he's fast, and he's smart. After working out all offseason with Maclin and Wilson, I am confident he will be the best #2 we've had in Reid's time here based on his talent and intelligence alone.

Andy just said Houston will not practice with the team at camp. He's not playing week 1 guys.

I'm starting to think it'll be after the bye week, but did Poe practice at camp last year?