Chiefs run defense
 

preseason, i get it. doesn't matter, i get it.

but i see what i see. our 1st two games the #1 defense was pushed around pretty easily. is it houston/hali/mauga/berry? all key guys obviously. but i see our DLine getting manhandled, and that's what concerns me right now.

the DLine is allegedly a strength of the team. talent wise, it looks like it should be. something i haven't seen discussed is the new DLine coaches for this year, and whether that is playing into this issue or not?

britt reid is leading the DLine coaches for the 1st year. i cant help but wonder if we have a gap in the coaching staff here that might account for some of the issues early this preseason.

could be worse - we could have played like the Falcons did last night.

Chris Jones, Nick Williams, and Nunez-Roches have all been playing well, so it's kinda hard to put that on little Reid.

Are you a paid homer or are you just freelancing?

The 3 previous seasons we have allowed 4.5 yards per carry, 4.7, and 4.1 in 2015 which puts us well in the bottom half of the league. Our pass defense is what has kept us dominant these last few years so this transition to life after Sean Smith could be a rough one for a few games. We have never been solid at stopping the run and tbh I think this falls on the linebackers

Half the damn defense is out including 3 all pros.

ROFL no shit

Those 3 all pros gave up 4 ypc last year so I dunno how much improvement we will see

You csn survive on that. Don't wanna get higher though

Mauga should tear it up as soon as he returns too right?
:homer:

Kid you crack me up.

I'm much more concerned with our pass defense. I want it to be as good as these last few years but I'm just not sure.

Same dudes are back, and they kicked ass.


Should have stopped at "Preseason".

Once he gets over his strained vagina and back on the field.

I think Berry, Tamba and Mauga will help. Yes Mauga is a better run defender than the young guys.

Poe hasn't been playing well. Dude is getting pushed back in run defense.

Just looking at the stat alone is a bit of a misnomer. It is far more important to focus on when teams are getting chunks on us last year/this year. From what I remember of the Chiefs the past couple of years, it has been their nickel and dime sets that opposing teams have exploited. They spread us out and gash us. However, when faced with having to stop the run (short yardage with teams in power sets), we were able to get it done last year with those three all pros. The preseason, up to this point, has not shown that we have that ability as more big runs appear to be occurring in our base D.

It all comes back to the mad mind of Wiley bob. I just don't feel like the guy has a full grasp of the Rex Ryan defense. I think he's satisfied giving up the run at 4.5 yards a chunk and doing their thing against the pass.

John Dorsey- bob were getting our heads ripped off against the run.

Squirrelly Bob- but did you see the play after where Poe and Howard twist, Bailey drops into coverage and I sent the ghost of William bartees on a delayed blitz from zone coverage?

Very good point. Smith will indeed be missed....The run defense has seemed to step up when needed in the past.

Pretty much the case with everyone on the D-line. They all seem to have been losing more individual battles than they win.

i really dont think our defense is gonna be anywhere near as good as everyone thinks. Our olb is shit, really, think about it. Justin houston hurt, tamba is 65 years old, dee ford is a bust.

Corners: we have one proven good one. 1.

poe hasnt been anywhere near as explosive as he once was once that back injury.

linebackers: DJ is 80 years old, 120 tackles a year for the past 15 years? right. Mauga? lol.

I think our offense is gonna have to win the games for us now, not defense

We built a defense to stop the Payton Mannings and Phillip Rivers of the world when they were really good. And we won't even do that very well this year because of injuries and losses to free agency.

We got gashed in the running game last year several times, even when everyone was healthy. The defense will probably take a step back this year.

Holy ****ing morons.

The established vets have played poorly, while the young developing players look good. With that said, hard to say that there is an issue with coaching on the DL, especially after just two ****ing preseason games.

If you'll recall earlier he said March was going to take Mauagas spot. Now Mauga is a savior of the defense.

Wow. Un****ingbelievable how you guys try to twist everything I say.

No, I've never once said anything remotely close to that.

Why are you guys so hard on Staylor? He, like myself and many others, predicted that March would seize the starting spot while Mauga was injured, But we all saw March fail to step up in the preseason games and now Stay;or, Dane, myself, and many others realize that Mauga isn't going anywhere because we don't have anyone better ready to take his spot. That is a far cry from him saying that Mauga is the savior of the defense, or that he is going to tear it up this season. If you don't like him, that's your business. But you and a few others are attacking him from every angle and it's getting ridiculous. This site has ran off a lot of good posters over the years. Staylor is a quality poster. No need to keep this up and run him off too.

As long as we have a top 10 defense by December, I am going to do my best not to get upset if our defense lags behind for the first part of the season.

If we struggle until Houston returns, then so be it. We'll finally get to see what Ford is worth and everyone else will have to just play harder. I'm confident our offense can maintain control of time of possession which will be key in keeping our secondary and linebackers rested.

Missing out on Smith will hurt but is it enough to bump us from top 5 defense to the bottom half?

Can't speak for anyone else but I'm just giving him shit.

But if you rail others for stating their opinion as often as he does and you're likely to get what you've been given.

He's tough enough to take it. He's not going anywhere because we're being mean to him.

I have no problem with that, but twisting everything I say, and putting words in my mouth is just ****ing annoying. Me and you often disagree, but it's completely different than it is with billay, jspchief, vailpass, etc.

You're right though, I'm not going anywhere. They can all suck my ****ing cock.

Need another stud to pair with DJ if you actually want to stop the run.

Yes, the starting front seven has looked pretty bad against the run, but I remain unconcerned because of a two factors

1) vanilla preseason game plans

2) the absence of 3 critical defensive starters

It will get cleaned up, everyone just take a deep breath

Doesn't look good so far

Manga helps because he's too dam slow to run himself out of position.
Berry will help because lets be honest, he's half linebacker anyway
Hali will help because he's scrappy as hell
our scheme depends on lane responsibility and in the preseason we have none



our DL has still be disappointing, lots of guys getting their ass kicked in the trenches.

I mean our Offense hasn't been scheming and the Oline still looks pretty good. Dline better shape the hell up.

Yep.
LMAO the kid is funny

Dane is usually wrong about everything so if he agrees with you then rethink your take.

Says the dipshit that thinks Streater should be the #2 based on the preseason.

The #2 won't be wilson

LMAO

I really hope you're trolling. Do you even know who Chris Conley is? Are you not aware that he's currently the #2, and has been all offseason? Have you followed TC or watched the preseason games?

This really is the second time that you seem to imply it's between Wilson or streater at the number 2.

I've gotten on staylor myself for different things. Probably will again. In this case he basically has admitted he was wrong about march short-term. It's also not crazy to believe our depth at dl could step up. Of all the position depth besides rb, dl has the best set of raw talent to step up and break out. I don't share his optimism about the young secondary for this season but I do for the young dl backups.

If you watch the Seattle game, Poe was royally getting blown off the ball. It was bizarre to watch. Ford also wasn't containing his edge.

We just need Ford and Zombo to play smarter out there. And we need Poe to play like Poe.

Everything will sort itself out at that point.

I hope Ford gets his act together. dude put on quality weight during the offseason, need to see some improvement.

This is what I noticed. Poe has not looked like a guy in a contract year. By far the most disappointing DL.

Poe inst going to fall off the map...sheesh. March is essentially a rookie.....

No Houston/Hali/Muaga/Gaines/Berry...and people expect them to not skip a beat? If they didn't..then the Chiefs have massively over-paid for 3 of their stars.

Hate to say it but maybe his back is hindering him?

or a physical camp...Reid runs an old school one where they actually tackle.

Or maybe he's just coasting it cause it's Pre-season and he knows he's a lock anyways. Saving it up for the games that matter.

I may be the only one, here, not fretting over the preseason run defense...they were without a lot of players.

March runs to the ball..which is why he is Johnson's heir apparent. He did this...instinctively..which led the the big run but was filling in for Muaga. It's why Ford is struggling trying to be Houston..he was drafted to replace Hali.

The experience is good...it's preseason and doesn't matter.

We're talking about Poe's play specifically when Seattle was just manhandling him.

We''ll see...it's preseason. Poe doesn't get man-handled very often...I'm going by his history on this.

So far, IMO, the DL player who has stood out the most has been the rookie Jones. He is just noticeably more disruptive when he is on the field.

He's already our best interior pass rusher, and that says something. All of our guys can rush the passer.

He was the #2 rated interior pass-rusher in the entire draft...and by a slim margin.

I'm not surprised..at all.

If he can replace Poe..and KC can keep Berry..more power to them. Whatever works...

Poe's body type is rare though....like needle in a haystack rare.

Poe would be even more of a beast if his arms were just a couple of inches longer. His pure strength/power is neutralized a bit by the fact that the vast majority of OL players that he has to face have a reach advantage on him.

nttawwt... :)

??? you have more than one??? :eek:

this...

I think he can take it...

He dishes plenty out so if he cant take it, **** him

I'm worried and yes I know pre-season is 'meaningless'

But I would really like to see us dominate this next 1st half of football.

No the #2 will come down to Conley/Streater and Conley wins if he actually gets the playbook this year.

It's ok it was the first pre season game it didn't mean anything.

as good as the last FEW years?

our pass defense was only good last year.

:rolleyes:

Chiefs run defense
 

It was ranked #2 in yards in 2014. Houston had 22 sacks that year and we only allowed something like 17 PPG.

The pass defense was the only thing that was good about that 2014 defense.

i just know we went from something like 8 ints to 26 last year.

not that the D has been terrible, i just assumed the pass d, was less than spectacular.

We didn't force many INTs that year but overall the pass defense was pretty spectacular

you have to forgive me in some ways. last year, i was all in on the chiefs, but after they lost those five straight, it was tough for me to get up at 3am to watch what i thought was a losing effort.

i dont think i started watching again until they won three or four in a row.

Something I've noticed about the run D:

DJ didn't play very disciplined in the first 2 games. He got caught over-pursuing several times. Maybe he was trying to compensate for the young guys playing opposite him, or maybe he's just too amped up. He did seem to settle down against the Bears.

Hopefully this is a case of the guys just playing too excited, and they'll settle into their responsibilities with time. The run D was good last year and there's no reason that they shouldn't be this year.

I thought the run D was pretty damn good last year.Didnt we shut Peterson completely down.

I thought the same thing, and am worried this is where Berry is going to be rusty at. Not necessarily with his stamina or instincts, but just the little nuances of an NFL game that take those preseason reps to get the hang of again.