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RealSNR 08-28-2016 09:56 AM

Terez Paylor article on Dee Ford
 
I know positive mindset is an important thing in self-improvement goals and all that, but Christ, Ford. Could you at least say a few things that make us believe you're SLIGHTLY accountable for your shitty play?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e98335597.html

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(Editor’s note: This story is part of The Star’s annual football preview, which will appear in three special sections in the Sunday, Aug. 28 print edition and also on KansasCity.com and The Star’s Red Zone Extra app.)

On summer days at Missouri Western State University, a dozen or so Chiefs linebackers pour into a room at the indoor football complex for daily film sessions.

The man in charge of these meetings is linebackers coach Gary Gibbs, a tall, gray-haired man of 64. He is a teacher, and a straight shooter; the stakes on Sundays are too high not to be.

“We don’t hide from the truth,” Gibbs said.

It is here, in these reviews of the day’s on-field practice work, that anxiety about the state of the Chiefs’ edge rush begins to come into focus.

Injuries to Pro Bowl outside linebackers Justin Houston and Tamba Hali have thrust third-year pro Dee Ford into a starting role, and, well … let’s just say Ford receives a lot of attention in these sessions.

“Coach Gibbs puts the pressure on him — he really does,” inside linebacker Derrick Johnson said. “Yeah, (Dee) hears it. He hears it the most out of anybody in the room.”

Not that you would know this by asking Ford, 25. He has a high opinion of himself, and to him, the extra attention is just an indication of that.

“The most talented players need hard coaching,” Ford said. “He’s really coaching me scenarios because he knows if anybody can make the play, I can.”

But after two seasons as a reserve behind Houston and Hali, in which Ford has recorded a modest stat line of 31 tackles and 5 1/2 sacks, the time has come for him to prove it.

In March, Hali casually mentioned that he wanted to see Ford “take the next step in being a professional,” adding that it’s up to the Chiefs to make sure he “understands why” he and his teammates are in the building and “what needs to be done.”

“So, Dee works hard, but there’s a different level that you have to put it on to be a starter in this league,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid explained. “He’s never just been told, ‘Hey, you’re the starter.’ There’s a certain day-in and day-out pressure that comes with that, mentally and physically.

“So you’re at that place where you’re either going to take it up a notch, or you’re gonna be an average guy. That’s what it comes down to.”

This offseason, Ford says, he worked on his much-discussed weaknesses, such as his awareness and physicality against the run, not to mention his inability to win consistently at the line with anything other than a speed rush. He also tweaked his training to aid his less-discussed weaknesses, like his lack of hip flexibility, all in hopes of finally turning his big potential into big production in the NFL.

“People have a tendency to rush your process,” Ford said. “They don’t understand that … a process takes time.”

Shortly after the Chiefs selected Ford with the 23rd overall pick in 2014, team chairman Clark Hunt mentioned that he’d been told by front-office personnel that Ford’s rare burst off the snap was, without making a direct comparison, somewhat reminiscent of former Chiefs great Derrick Thomas.

Yet, the art of rushing the quarterback is about more than “get-off,” as Ford’s first two seasons have proved. One glaring difference between the two players is hip flexibility, which affects a rusher’s ability to “bend the corner” after the initial get-off and gobble up ground toward the quarterback. This one trait often spells the difference between a quarterback pressure and a harmless overrun of the pocket.



Ford, who recorded four sacks in a career-high 565 defensive snaps last year, concedes he missed many sack opportunities because of this flaw.

“I needed flexibility,” Ford said. “I always worked on everything in the gym. But sometimes, as football players, we can get into a strongman competition.”

Flexible hips are often something a player either has or doesn’t — Denver’s Von Miller is a terror because he combines natural burst and natural bend.



Still, Ford said he did what he could to improve there, including practicing yoga, in hopes of being the exception.

“You ever seen a guy who was really big but he’s stiff?” Ford said. “That was me, because I focused solely on being strong.”

The Chiefs also ask their outside linebackers to cover in space, and flexible hips help in that area, too. The 6-foot-2, 253-pound Ford was a 4-3 defensive end in college, so he will never be a natural cover linebacker. But he has shown potential. His coverage of San Diego Chargers running back Danny Woodhead on the decisive play of a 10-3 win last December remains the highlight of his pro career.

“Yeah, he’s more flexible — I think he’s better in man coverage,” Gibbs said. “It’s an ongoing process for all those guys, especially those guys who are defensive ends in college that are coming into the NFL trying to be outside linebackers.”

An embarrassing 7-second lowlight in 2014 illustrated how far Ford had to go as a run defender as a rookie.

During a Week 5 loss at San Francisco, the 49ers ran a sweep toward Ford’s side, only to see Ford — who was supposed to have outside contain — retreat to find receiver Anquan Boldin in coverage. He was fooled badly as Frank Gore rushed for 9 yards right at the spot Ford vacated.

The Chiefs’ coaches defended Ford after that game, but the gaffe turned into a Vine video with millions of loops. Even Ford, who consistently says he doesn’t listen to outside criticism, felt compelled to type out a response on Twitter, writing, “Terrible play … unacceptable … Watch how I respond … !”

Two years later, Ford has made some improvement in this area, and he correctly points out that the Chiefs wouldn’t have kept starting him during their five-game winning streak after Houston’s injury if he wasn’t getting the job done most of the time.

Yet, he still has edge-setting lapses, something the two Pro Bowlers ahead of him on the depth chart — Hali and especially Houston — do infrequently.

“You’re going to give up plays — everybody gives up plays,” said Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton. “But it’s got to be a minimum.”

Sutton, who never criticizes his players, called Ford’s run defense “OK” in the preseason. There were at least three instances in the first two games where Ford did not secure the edge, instead collapsing too far on inside running plays and allowing the back to bounce out to his side.

“I’m not going to tell you he had his best game — that’s not what I’d tell you,” Reid said following a 17-16 loss to the Seattle Seahawks on Aug. 13. “There are plays he’d wish he had back.”

Reid, however, added that Ford followed the Seahawks game with two “tremendous” practices, and while he did lose contain once in the Chiefs’ second preseason game, a 21-20 loss to the Los Angeles Rams on Aug. 20, he generally played better.

“I still had a play today where I peeked inside that really ticks me off,” Ford said after that game. “But I was able to make a few tackles. It felt good.”



What Ford was unable to show in that game — and in the Seahawks game — was much of a pass-rush. Reid attributed some of that to the Chiefs’ opponents’ getting the ball out quickly.

But Ford’s past pass-rush issues go deeper than his lack of hip flexibility.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey likes to stalk the practice fields in St. Joseph, and you won’t find a man more interested in their near-daily one-on-one pass-rush drills.

Dorsey is looking at everybody, but he’s definitely eyeing No. 55, because Ford’s pass-rush future depends on his ability to develop at least a few dependable complements to his speed rush.

“That’s learning, that’s part of the growth now going into your third year,” Dorsey said of Ford. “Now, you should be able to have a counter, inside stab. You should have multiple pass-rush moves.”

Ford says he now has two moves he feels comfortable with, maybe three. One move he likes is the long-arm power rush, which is a nice one for Ford because opposing tackles tend to overset to compensate for speed rushers, occasionally allowing a defender to strike their chest and bull them off-balance.



Mitchell Schwartz, one of the league’s top right tackles last year according to Pro Football Focus, saw Ford’s recent emphasis on speed-to-power firsthand during a practice a few weeks ago. Ford bulled him backward near the quarterback’s drop area.

“I think he’s an awesome player — he makes me better every day in practice, having to block him,” Schwartz said. “He’s not just straight-line. He’s also got some great moves … he’s definitely added some stuff.”

But that was just one rush on one day, and lots of players in the NFL can “flash,” or look good on a particular play. The good ones do it consistently.

And for all the attention he receives in film sessions, and all the scrutiny he receives on the practice field, the only one who can make Dee Ford live up to these expectations is Dee Ford.

After the Chiefs’ preseason game against the Rams, Ford was one of the last players to emerge from the cramped visitors’ locker room at the LA Coliseum.

No surprise there. Few Chiefs dress slower.

Ford’s cool, detached style was again on display as he walked up the tunnel ramp toward the team buses, sporting a gray hoodie and a smile.

It was there that Ford reiterated that he does not feel any pressure to deliver this year.

“(You feel) pressure when you’re not prepared,” Ford said. “I’m anxious, but there’s no pressure.”

That’s not just bluster for the media.

“He doesn’t get frustrated easy,” said Johnson, the Chiefs’ veteran inside linebacker. “Like, coaches are on him. They put a lot of pressure on Dee. And Dee’s kind of like, ‘Hey man, I’ve got it.’ He’s got a confidence about him that’s kind of old-school.”

Johnson also sees in Ford a sense of urgency that wasn’t always there, a reinforcement of Hali’s statement in March and Reid’s explanation of it.

“I used to see him just kind of, you know, go through practice and sometimes make a play, sometimes not, like whatever,” Johnson says. “But the lackadaisical, kind of, ‘Hey man, I’ve got it,’ cool vibe, is not out there on the field. You see him sprint to the ball. ... When he’s on the field, he’s working his tail off.”

So yes, the Chiefs are hoping Ford rewards them for their faith come the regular season. It’s time to be a good player, as Reid said, or an average one … and everyone knows what average first-round picks end up being called after three years.

Asked about this last Saturday, Ford shook his head and laughed in the breezy California night.

“Me coming under Justin and Tamba, these are big shoes to fill,” Ford said. “A lot of people would dissipate under those circumstances. But I’m just me. I’m me. I know I’m gonna make my mark as Dee Ford.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy

Chiefshrink 08-28-2016 10:06 AM

Ford is "football intellectually challenged" if not just "intellectually"(after watching one of his pressers) which leads to the greater problem of "no confidence in himself" playing at the NFL level that his teammates and himself are trying to cover up that is not working.:shrug:

Dorsey is putting off the inevitable because he has to at this point. But quite frankly I would be more comfortable starting anyone of these young b/u's at this point.:rolleyes:

jspchief 08-28-2016 10:06 AM

Bust

staylor26 08-28-2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12391078)
Bust

Stupid.

nychief 08-28-2016 10:09 AM

2000 words saying absolutely nothing.

Easy 6 08-28-2016 10:45 AM

I he busts, it isnt going to be because of a lack of great examples to follow, or focused, intensive coaching

As for his personal demeanor, I'm not going too read to much into that, everyones personality is different, everyone handles pressure in different ways... flagellating himself in front of the camera doesnt prove anything

The jury is still out, but based on the improvement I've seen so far, I'm willing to see the glass half-full

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12391078)
Bust

Derrick Johnson was considered a "bust" after four seasons, too.

Dave Lane 08-28-2016 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12391081)
Stupid.

So you think he has earned his draft position, that's your take on Dee Ford?

Dave Lane 08-28-2016 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 12391084)
2000 words saying absolutely nothing.

Training camp puff piece.

Dunerdr 08-28-2016 10:59 AM

So he doesn't aknowledge he's a **** up?

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-28-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391113)
Derrick Johnson was considered a "bust" after four seasons, too.

Derrick Johnson showed a lot of promise early on. What made people think he might be a bust was the odd 2009 season where he was relegated to the bench.

Derrick Johnson had more sacks than Dee Ford after two years despite being a coverage linebacker in a 4-3 and he had 5.5 times the number of tackles.

staylor26 08-28-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12391141)
Derrick Johnson showed a lot of promise early on. What made people think he might be a bust was the odd 2009 season where he was relegated to the bench.

Derrick Johnson had more sacks than Dee Ford after two years despite being a coverage linebacker in a 4-3 and he had 5.5 times the number of tackles.

Dee Ford has a decent amount of sacks based on his snaps. Let's not ignore that he's been playing behind two excellent edge rushers.

Whitney Mercilus, Melvin Ingram, and Jerry Hughes didn't break out till year 4.

Ford hasn't even played a full season to gain valuable experience. Edge rushers take time to develop, and the only time that matters are real game snaps. Young pass rushers all around the league are going through the same shit. Guys like Miller, Mack, and Houston are rare.

Like I've said, if you're ready to declare Ford a bust this early, you're an impatient moron.

Chiefshrink 08-28-2016 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12391141)
Derrick Johnson showed a lot of promise early on. What made people think he might be a bust was the odd 2009 season where he was relegated to the bench.

Derrick Johnson had more sacks than Dee Ford after two years despite being a coverage linebacker in a 4-3 and he had 5.5 times the number of tackles.

BINGO !!

Dee Ford has never even come close to DJ flashing in the first 3yrs and those of you who will throw out the SD game. Please !! San Diego was playing with PS guys by that point !!

jjchieffan 08-28-2016 11:18 AM

That's right Dane. I completely forgot that. However, didn't he originally play OLB in the 4-3 and it wasn't until he moved inside in the 3-4 that he got good?

Chiefshrink 08-28-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12391110)
I he busts, it isnt going to be because of a lack of great examples to follow, or focused, intensive coaching

As for his personal demeanor, I'm not going too read to much into that, everyones personality is different, everyone handles pressure in different ways... flagellating himself in front of the camera doesnt prove anything

The jury is still out, but based on the improvement I've seen so far, I'm willing to see the glass half-full

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12391149)
Dee Ford has a decent amount of sacks based on his snaps. Let's not ignore that he's been playing behind two excellent edge rushers.

Whitney Mercilus, Melvin Ingram, and Jerry Hughes didn't break out till year 4.

Ford hasn't even played a full season to gaine valuable experience. Edge rushers take time to develop, and the only time that matters are real game snaps. Young pass rushers all around the league are going through the same shit.

Like I've said, if you're ready to declare Ford a bust this early, you're an impatient moron.

I will give you guys props for being positive !!!;) And I do hope you all are right, I really do !!:clap:

Meatloaf 08-28-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12391141)
Derrick Johnson showed a lot of promise early on. What made people think he might be a bust was the odd 2009 season where he was relegated to the bench.

Derrick Johnson had more sacks than Dee Ford after two years despite being a coverage linebacker in a 4-3 and he had 5.5 times the number of tackles.

Yup, as I recall, that was Todd Haley putting his size 12s up DJs backside in efforts to demand more outa the kid. It worked like a charm as DJs numbers improved thereafter.

I'm generally of the mindset that someone needs to put their boot up Ford's ass too. He kinda comes off as this overly confident "stud" character, which to me indicates a clear lack of self-confidence. Hope the kid figures it out, but he just doesn't seem to have the mindset that'll encourage him to truly humble self and strive for improvement/excellence. BUT, we shall see.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12391141)
Derrick Johnson showed a lot of promise early on. What made people think he might be a bust was the odd 2009 season where he was relegated to the bench.

Derrick Johnson had more sacks than Dee Ford after two years despite being a coverage linebacker in a 4-3 and he had 5.5 times the number of tackles.

I was just talking in generalities. Chiefsplanet declared DJ a bust before the 2010 season.

While I'm disappointed with Ford's progress, I think it's too early to label him as a "bust".

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-28-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391169)
I was just talking in generalities. Chiefsplanet declared DJ a bust before the 2010 season.

While I'm disappointed with Ford's progress, I think it's too early to label him as a "bust".

That's fair. I've never thought much of Ford, and I don't think Paylor's feature paints a very rosy picture of his work ethic and potential, but two years is a little soon. Football players develop at extremely variable rates.

jspchief 08-28-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12391081)
Stupid.

Yes. He may be stupid too.

jspchief 08-28-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391113)
Derrick Johnson was considered a "bust" after four seasons, too.

Only by dumb****s

RunKC 08-28-2016 11:38 AM

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What Ford was unable to show in that game — and in the Seahawks game — was much of a pass-rush. Reid attributed some of that to the Chiefs’ opponents’ getting the ball out quickly.
This is what I've been seeing. Dee has had very few opportunities to actually rush the passer so far bc it's been quick 3 step drops. The ball gets out in 2 seconds at the most.

No pss rusher will get to the QB that fast.

staylor26 08-28-2016 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12391189)
This is what I've been seeing. Dee has had very few opportunities to actually rush the passer so far bc it's been quick 3 step drops. The ball gets out in 2 seconds at the most.

No pss rusher will get to the QB that fast.

It's clear as day that he hasn't had many oppurtunities to pin his ears back.

His run defense since the Seahawks game has been much better.

I really don't see the reason why people are hitting the panic button based on his preseason. It's a HUGE overreaction.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12391186)
Only by dumb****s

Welcome! To Chiefsplanet.

RunKC 08-28-2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12391192)
It's clear as day that he hasn't had many oppurtunities to pin his ears back.

His run defense since the Seahawks game has been much better.

I really don't see the reason why people are hitting the panic button based on his preseason. It's a HUGE overreaction.

Bc he looked horrible in the Seahawks game. He looked as lost as he did as a rookie in run defense.
To his credit, he's looked much better the last 2 weeks.

We'll see how he looks on 9/11.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:44 AM

The biggest problem I have with Ford is that he doesn't have much of a "feel" for the game (much like Albert ****ing Wilson). Hopefully, that improves with each game.

Dadi Nicolas, a rookie 6th rounder who's 20 pounds lighter and is also a converted 4-3 end, already seems to "get it". His containment is better and his pass rushing skills are bad ass. He played well against the Bears first team offense yesterday.

RunKC 08-28-2016 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391200)
The biggest problem I have with Ford is that he doesn't have much of a "feel" for the game (much like Albert ****ing Wilson). Hopefully, that improves with each game.

Dadi Nicolas, a rookie 6th rounder who's 20 pounds lighter and is also a converted 4-3 end, already seems to "get it". His containment is better and his pass rushing skills are bad ass. He played well against the Bears first team offense yesterday.

That kid reminds me so much of Tamba. Their mentality, effort and passion for the game are eerily similar.

Kid just needs an offseason in the weight room to bulk up so he can stop the run.

milkman 08-28-2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12391210)
That kid reminds me so much of Tamba. Their mentality, effort and passion for the game are eerily similar.

Kid just needs an offseason in the weight room to bulk up so he can stop the run.

Send Dadi to Chiefsshrink.
He'll have him bulked up by week 2.

jspchief 08-28-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391200)
The biggest problem I have with Ford is that he doesn't have much of a "feel" for the game (much like Albert ****ing Wilson). Hopefully, that improves with each game.

This is how I feel. He just looks like he's not a very good football player. He has no instincts. He looks like he's afraid of contact. The only thing the guy has shown is athleticism, and that's not going to be enough in the NFL.

The guy should be playing like his ass is on fire now that he finally has his chance. He's not.

DaneMcCloud 08-28-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12391221)
Send Dadi to Chiefsshrink.
He'll have him bulked up by week 2.

LMAO

TEX 08-28-2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12391222)
This is how I feel. He just looks like he's not a very good football player. He has no instincts. He looks like he's afraid of contact. The only thing the guy has shown is athleticism, and that's not going to be enough in the NFL.

The guy should be playing like his ass is on fire now that he finally has his chance. He's not.

Nailed it... It's like he can get there, but once there he doesn't know what to do. He allows himself to get caught up in the trash by just being there. Not very instinctive at all. I'd be happy if he can develop just into a consistent pass rusher.

milkman 08-28-2016 12:03 PM

Ford isn't a bust yet, but he has to start to flash this year to avoid that label.

Buehler445 08-28-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12391113)
Derrick Johnson was considered a "bust" after four seasons, too.

Squirmin Herman Mother****ing sack of **** Edwards. And his "defensive coaching".

**** that bitch.

Meatloaf 08-28-2016 12:13 PM

Ford needs to gt better FAST. He's gonna be a starter and the parity in the league is so tight that we can't afford him to learn via "trial and error". What with Houston's status, we need Ford to be a complete OLB, not just a pass rusher. He's gotta consistently set the edge, dirty his nose on running plays, drop into coverage decently, etc. That's a lot to ask from where I think he is right now. Heck, I'm more impressed with Dadi Nicolas than I am Dee Ford. I think Dadi has a toughness about him that I just don't see with Ford.

* In the interests of fair and complete reporting, please understand that I never much cared for the Dee Ford selection, so there is a bias there on my part.

** Furthering the interests of fair and complete reporting requires me to note that I didn't form said bias based on the guys name or complexion or any such thing. Said bias was DEVELOPED after seeing this guy perform.

*** So happy we're finally seeing some football again!!!

Buehler445 08-28-2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12391158)
That's right Dane. I completely forgot that. However, didn't he originally play OLB in the 4-3 and it wasn't until he moved inside in the 3-4 that he got good?

Nope. Squirmin Herman mother****ing sack of **** Edwards rolled out and we got some NFL level coaching in this botch. First 4 years of Vermiel and the Squirmin Herman mother****ing sack of can't Edwards will make any defensive player look like a bust.

Easy 6 08-28-2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12391231)
Ford isn't a bust yet, but he has to start to flash this year to avoid that label.

Thats where I'm at

jjchieffan 08-28-2016 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12391246)
Nope. Squirmin Herman mother****ing sack of **** Edwards rolled out and we got some NFL level coaching in this botch. First 4 years of Vermiel and the Squirmin Herman mother****ing sack of can't Edwards will make any defensive player look like a bust.

Interesting. Some day I would like to hear your feelings on Herm Edwards. I feel like you're holding back. LMAO

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-28-2016 01:19 PM

Welp, this is year 3 for him and it looks like he will have opportunity to show us what talent he thinks he has. I think the play on Frank gore will be the theme of his career. Personally I think he's a moron with a burst. He will paddle his way to the end of his rookie contract and it will be over.

There's no doubt we will need to draft 4 edge rushers next year.

jspchief 08-28-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12391231)
Ford isn't a bust yet, but he has to start to flash this year to avoid that label.

I'm sorry but I want more than "start to flash". The guy should look like a starter.

RINGLEADER 08-28-2016 01:28 PM

If Dee gets pressure we'll be fine. If he produces like he has in the preseason then we'll see more blitzes, give up more big plays, and have to score more.

BlackHelicopters 08-28-2016 01:38 PM

Ford is an Edsel.

Mr. Laz 08-28-2016 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12391381)
If Dee gets pressure we'll be fine. If he produces like he has in the preseason then we'll see more blitzes, give up more big plays, and have to score more.

except for the fact that Ford is playing Houston's position, not Hali's

Ford will be in space like 60% of the time.

Sutton will need to call a blitz before Ford even has a chance to 'get pressure'


Sutton trusted Houston to produce, he's not going to be nearly as likely to blitz Ford unless Dee proves early on that he can't get to the QB when given the chance.

Rasputin 08-28-2016 04:27 PM

Ford still hurries a lot of quarterbacks into throwing sooner than they want so I think his sacks will start coming because we have great coverage in the backfield and actually Peters and Berry benefit with the hurries Ford brings creating turnovers. I'm not ready to call Ford a bust but he does need to get motivated as a starting DE.

LoneWolf 08-28-2016 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12391637)
Ford still hurries a lot of quarterbacks into throwing sooner than they want so I think his sacks will start coming because we have great coverage in the backfield and actually Peters and Berry benefit with the hurries Ford brings creating turnovers. I'm not ready to call Ford a bust but he does need to get motivated as a starting DE.

Did Ford change positions?

Rasputin 08-28-2016 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12391649)
Did Ford change positions?


No but I think of him as a hybrid linebacker defensive end. Same thing as I think of Hali when he plays up on the line just like DT to rush the quarterback.

Mr. Laz 08-28-2016 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12391662)
No but I think of him as a hybrid linebacker defensive end. Same thing as I think of Hali when he plays up on the line just like DT to rush the quarterback.

What are you talking about?

Hali is almost always on the LoS at RDE/ROLB

Ford will be playing LOLB because of Houton's injury. That means he is standing up and playing is space unless Sutton calls a blitz/Pressure play


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Chiefshrink 08-28-2016 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 12391396)
Ford is an Edsel.

Nailed It !!! Great Wit !!

kccrow 08-28-2016 06:05 PM

Ford Sucks.

NJChiefsFan 08-28-2016 09:11 PM

"They don’t understand that … a process takes time".

:hmmm:

Hammock Parties 08-28-2016 09:14 PM

Dude getting a whole article written about him will be the greatest moment of his career.

If he was a 5th round pick no one would care.

NJChiefsFan 08-28-2016 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12392534)
Dude getting a whole article written about him will be the greatest moment of his career.

If he was a 5th round pick no one would care.

And if it wasn't the Sahara Desert, nobody would care that it snowed. Facts matter, and this isn't a vacuum.

Hammock Parties 08-28-2016 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12392545)
And if it wasn't the Sahara Desert, nobody would care that it snowed. Facts matter, and this isn't a vacuum.

It's a fact that the only reason anyone gives two shits about him is because he's a first round pick.

We could probably get more production out of that position if Allen Bailey lined up there and just bull rushed a tackle every snap.

NJChiefsFan 08-28-2016 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12392549)
It's a fact that the only reason anyone gives two shits about him is because he's a first round pick.

Yes. That is why we are concerned we are losing something. But he is a first round pick because of his skill and speed. That doesn't guarantee anything, but it's still there. It isn't just the round he was picked in, but the skill that got him in that round that brings our attention to him.

Mr. Laz 08-28-2016 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12392523)
"They don’t understand that … a process takes time".

:hmmm:

If the dude was running around hitting everything that moved, i would be more likely to believe this.

Not only does he not seem to have natural football instincts but he play kind of lazy.

It was a bit of a surprise to see him coming up hard and setting then edge against TEs and Olinemen against the Rams. At this point in his career, it shouldn't be such an improvement to just be making good contact.

Hammock Parties 08-28-2016 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12392564)
It isn't just the round he was picked in, but the skill that got him in that round that brings our attention to him.

Dee Ford is all talent, no skill.

I'm not sure he has a single pass rush move.

Mr. Laz 08-28-2016 09:44 PM

We are absolutely misusing Dee Ford, which makes the entire situation worse.


Sutton :shake:

Gadzooks 08-28-2016 09:49 PM

I was gonna talk some shit about Dee Ford but you guy's seem to have a handle on it.

If it makes you feel any better, Attaochu is 2nd string on the Chargers, (I know a lot of you preferred him at the 22 pick).

redshirt32 08-28-2016 11:51 PM

Iv'e never seen the fire in his play,

Actor/Singer

More undrafted players are starters than 1st rd picks per coach Reid.

Crap shoot

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2016 07:29 AM

Paul Kruger was just cut. He's only 30. Might be worth a short term look?

RunKC 08-29-2016 07:34 AM

Interesting note: Dee played with his hand on the ground in Chicago. Looks like Sutton is doing everything to make him more comfortable.

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12391078)
Bust

Derrick Johnson
Eric Berry
Fisher
Hali

These four players above were declared bust by many in the Planet. Takes time people.

BossChief 08-29-2016 08:06 AM

Eric Berry started in the probowl as a rookie. He was never talked about as a bust.

stumppy 08-29-2016 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 12392979)
Derrick Johnson
Eric Berry
Fisher
Hali

These four players above were declared bust by many in the Planet. Takes time people.

Son, we're going to have to work out a proper bet between us this year.

stumppy 08-29-2016 08:14 AM

:DI'm thinking I need my yard mowed all next year.

Frosty 08-29-2016 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12392981)
Eric Berry started in the probowl as a rookie. He was never talked about as a bust.

Did you miss all of the "he's just a box safety" and "he can't cover tight ends" talk? I don't know if he was considered a bust but there was a lot of talk that he wasn't worth the cap hit and he was overdrafted.

NJChiefsFan 08-29-2016 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12392566)
If the dude was running around hitting everything that moved, i would be more likely to believe this.

Not only doesn't he not seem to have natural football instincts but he play kind of lazy.
.

I just found the quote "a process takes time" to be hilarious. Wasn't using it to comment on his skills or potential in any way.

As for lazy, DJ seems to say otherwise fwii.

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Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12392571)
Dee Ford is all talent, no skill.

I'm not sure he has a single pass rush move.

Shwartz seems to say otherwise fwii.

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12392987)
Son, we're going to have to work out a proper bet between us this year.

Say the bet and I will take it :D

DJ's left nut 08-29-2016 08:53 AM

I think someone said that Dee Ford looked like a 'kid brother' in how he interacts with his teammates.

I think that's probably spot on. I don't think he has the emotional maturity he needs to be a difference maker. He doesn't seem to recognize that this is some next level shit he's doing and the effort needs to match that. The intensity needs to match that.

This isn't screwing around with your buddies and relying on absurd athleticism to win while he was at Auburn. Everybody he goes against is as physically imposing as he is in some way. And while he says some of the right things, you can see in his body language (and the other things he says) that the 'right things' are just coach speak; lip-service that he's been taught to say but hasn't really internalized.

What people are calling 'laid back' reads more and more as just flat naive, immature and perhaps unintelligent. Houston and Hali are fairly laid back when they're not on the field, but when they're between the lines or when they're preparing for same, a switch is flipped.

I'm more and more concerned that the switch just isn't there for Ford. I'm hoping he isn't the good-hearted simpleton that he comes across as so often. He's moving closer and closer to Lennie from Of Mouse and Men...

stumppy 08-29-2016 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 12393027)
Say the bet and I will take it :D

Well, lets see. I think it should have to be about how many sacks he gets this year. Last year Houston got 7.5, Hali got 6.5 Howard 5.5, Bailey 4.5.

I'm thinking Ford doesn't even get 7.

O.city 08-29-2016 09:04 AM

I'd kick the tires in Kruger after the cut from Cleveland. He probably isn't gonna be a world beater, but he'd be better than alot of what we've got

R Clark 08-29-2016 09:18 AM

What's the story on Kruger .I don't remember anything about him.

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12392981)
Eric Berry started in the probowl as a rookie. He was never talked about as a bust.

Eric Berry underperformed for 2 years, and was called a bust by many. Last year was his first year where he really excelled.


Matt Cassel made the pro bowl as well.

Titty Meat 08-29-2016 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 12393085)
Eric Berry underperformed for 2 years, and was called a bust by many. Last year was his first year where he really excelled.


Matt Cassel made the pro bowl as well.

Lolwut

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12393053)
Well, lets see. I think it should have to be about how many sacks he gets this year. Last year Houston got 7.5, Hali got 6.5 Howard 5.5, Bailey 4.5.

I'm thinking Ford doesn't even get 7.

I will take the over over on 7, with the stipulation he plays a full season.

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Originally Posted by R Clark (Post 12393077)
What's the story on Kruger .I don't remember anything about him.


Had a good 2014 season, but only had 2.5 sacks last year. Cleveland saved 5mil+ on cutting him.

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12393088)
Lolwut

You really think no one has been calling Berry a bust and not worthy of a 5th overall pick? Go back and read dude. It's the same argument with everyone on the planet. A player doesn't dominate in the first two years, and people are calling for them to be cut. Out of the list I posted, Berry was obviously the most impactful player, but he still had struggles, and had many calling him a bust.


I specifically remember many people calling him a bust after a string of games where he was getting torched by TE's.

stumppy 08-29-2016 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 12393027)
Say the bet and I will take it :D

OK, I'll bet you that Ford doesn't get 7 sacks during this regular season. He has to be healthy enough to play the entire season.
The bet is for one year of signature rights and you mow my yard 4 times against my $50.

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12393094)
OK, I'll bet you that Ford doesn't get 7 sacks during this regular season. He has to be healthy enough to play the entire season.
The bet is for one year of signature rights and you mow my yard 4 times against my $50.

lol! deal. write this deal down.

DaneMcCloud 08-29-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12393055)
I'd kick the tires in Kruger after the cut from Cleveland. He probably isn't gonna be a world beater, but he'd be better than alot of what we've got

At this point, Kruger's a Vet Minimum type player. If Dezmon Moses is unable to play Week 1 or is put on the PUP, Kruger's a guy to take a look at for sure.

If Moses is ready, I'd pass on Kruger.

stumppy 08-29-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy (Post 12393099)
lol! deal. write this deal down.

What ? You cut me deep son. Don't even trust your dad. :D





Just rep my post, use it as a bookmark.

LiL stumppy 08-29-2016 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12393101)
At this point, Kruger's a Vet Minimum type player. If Dezmon Moses is unable to play Week 1 or is put on the PUP, Kruger's a guy to take a look at for sure.

If Moses is ready, I'd pass on Kruger.

If you could sign Kruger for a vet min, you sign him. He's one year removed from a good season, at a position we need depth at. With that being said, I don't see him signing for the minimum.

CoMoChief 08-29-2016 09:46 AM

I'd almost rather put in Dadi Nicolas over Dee Ford at this point.


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