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Poll: Has the NFL become to politically correct for you taste?
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Poll: Has the NFL become to politically correct for your taste?
I keep reading about how the NFL is losing viewers/fans.I'm wondering if its because of all the rule changes that has seemed to make the game less interesting? Or is it because of all the political actions that you don't agree with and you just don't watch it anymore or fail to become interested.
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Over-saturation.
There are one too many Primetime games on each week, which usually end up being blowouts. Madden has become so hyper realistic that people can get their fix without waiting for Sundays. Most people that play Fantasy Football don't even need to bother watching the games. The irony of the situation is that the return to Los Angeles (and its 20 million viewers) was supposed to increase viewership, yet it's down 20%. Over-saturation. Color Rush. Terrible officiating, especially PI calls. No one knows what's a catch and what isn't a catch. Domestic Violence. Stupid marijuana restrictions. The NFL is eating itself. |
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I appreciate that players can protest as long as it doesn't impact the game. I don't agree, but I respect their right... |
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The NFL needs to: 1. Shorten the preseason to 2 weeks. 2. Bring back a developmental league. 3. Increase roster sizes beyond 53. 4. Eliminate Thursday games. 5. Extend the regular season by 1 week and give each team a 2nd bye week. |
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I watched the same amoutn of football as normal, so I can't explain it really. I'm just guessing. I do tend to think it's over-saturation, some terrible games (the Monday Night and Thursday night games especially are often just terrible), and color rush doesn't help.
I doubt it's "PC-ness". What is/isn't a catch has been an issue for like a decade so that's not new. Could also be changing demographics. Are they losing younger viewers who tend to be much more focused on their iPads etc? |
It would be interesting to see how many commercial interruptions occur in an NFL game now compared to 10-15 years ago. Whether that's due to quicker scoring offenses, replay, rule changes resulting in more stoppages, etc. There seems to be little flow to most of the NFL games I watch anymore. Also, it seems like flipping between games now is pointless because every time I flip, they're always at a commercial break. Maybe that's just my perception though as I don't watch as many games as I used to.
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MNF Double Header - Meh
TNF Color Rush - Meh SNF - Meh London Games - Meh Whoever said over saturation is totally correct. I never thought I would say there is too much NFL. But there is. |
Kap is a 2nd string QB.
Why wouldn't he sit down?... |
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Oh, I should mention one more thing -- a couple of guys on a local talk show think replay review is ruining the game. The lack of ability to cheer for a great play -- was there a flag? Let's wait for there replay review that it was a catch or TD. Ok, NOW cheer, is making the game less enjoyable in their view.
As one guy said (more or less): "I'm willing to suffer a few blown calls to increase my enjoyment of the game, because right now, it's really hard to get truly excited when a great play ahppens because I need to wait for a flag, and then wait for the replay review to confirm" I hadn't thought of it that way. I'm a strong proponent of replay review, so maybe I'm biased. I'm willing to wait a bit to "get it right", but maybe they have a point? |
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They could keep their Thursday game if they added the extra bye week before a Thursday appearance. It would be easy to do, and the NFL would make even more money with the extra week of TV revenue. I can't believe they have not done it already. |
The reason ratings are down is in small part Trump, and in huge part that the officiating SUCKS which causes an uneven flow to the game.
Missing Brady, Manning, and Romo doesn't help, either. |
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I don't think officiating is an ounce worse now than it ever was before. Now, however, with 24 hour sports channels and the internet, everyone can obsess over every call to the nth degree for days and days. It's like pedophilia -- it's not that anything has changed so it IS worse now, it's that PERCEPTION has changed so it SEEMS worse now. |
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We might not have Ron Parker, Jaye Howard or Spencer Ware if that was already in place. |
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And of course they have to change the catch rules. Clear possession and 2 feet/elbow/butt down and it's a catch. The ground only matters if the receiver is falling while making the catch. None of this crap where a player catches it and takes 3 steps and then falls down and it comes out on the ground. It's a really simple judgement call the officials should make. Clear possession and feet/elbow down. |
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It's pretty much the Chiefs for me this year and that's it. |
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Well I predicted it years ago when I laughed off Goodells ridiculous idea of a veterans combine. I agree the nfl has oversaturated the market. Goodell is a horribly overrated commissioner. He overmarketed the game. And his refusal as well as all the commissioners prior refusal to address player safety is taking a toll. Players are getting injured left and right and the lack of a training camp has created a poor quality product on the field.
If you want more scientific reasons, the crackdown on sports betting is enormous, lots of people cutting the cord and watching online, and we are witnessing one of the most contentious presidential campaigns. That and people now have tons of competing media options. It's not just nfl or the other shit on TV, the nfl is competing with Netflix and Amazon too. And again, if people shrug off domestic violence and putting serial rapists on the hof ballot, but get riled up about this to the point of boycott... I mean, seriously. |
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Good answer :clap: |
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We were at the beach last Sunday morning for a birthday party, so I didn't watch any of the morning games. I'm just not interested, I guess, outside of the Chiefs. |
For people who say the NFL sucks, they'd all go bonkers if it suddenly disappeared for a year and there was no football on Sunday's
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It hasnt become pc enough to keep me from watching, no
Whats worse than the pc aspect to me, is the constant tinkering with the rules, 90% of the time its to the detriment of the game... look no further than this years emphasis on "taunting" for just one example, the flags they're throwing on that make me wanna puke Having said all that, I just love the game too much to give up on it just yet... but if it continues down the current path, my interest could die within 10 years |
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One thing is certain: the older I get, the less ****s I give about the NFL.
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I guess I have a few more options in life.
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Miserable people won't be happy no matter where they are or what they do.
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If I'm going to give the NFL three hours of my life, 1.5 hours of that being commercials, it better be worth it. And in many cases it's not. |
If you could get these games on youtube ratings would be huge again. Cable is a bad deal compared to Netflix or Amazon, and for a lot of young people paying an extra 50 bucks a month just to watch the NFL isn't feasible.
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1) Fire Roger Goodell
2) After you've fired him, fire him again for good measure 3) Get rid of Thursday night football except for a few primetime games. It's ****ing stupid. 4) Take away bullshit London games and move preseason games there instead. 5) Bite the bullet and finally make a bold settlement on concussions. Then force true player safety changes (e.g. mandating mouthpieces, mandatory equipment guidelines, etc...) 6) Get rid of ridiculous celebration/taunting rules and only enforce the egregious ones 7) Bring back regular kickoffs. For crying out loud.... 8) Change the CBA to force more offseason training and especially conditioning 9) Take away the commissioner's power on enforcing off-the-field conduct. Replace it with consistent guidelines and inability to "negotiate down" a punishment 9) Move the draft back to two days 10) Get rid of ridiculous pass-friendly rules. Stop tailoring the game for fantasy football owners and try to make the game better for diehard fans 11) Get rid of this nonsense DirecTV contract and allow users who don't install a dish to watch off-televised games too |
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There's also these things called "bars" that show football games. |
I would wonder if having the same damn teams on top all the time, especially in the AFC has been significant. I'm good with it, since it includes the Pats, but if you aren't the Pats/Donx/Steelers/Ravens/Colts, then you haven't been to a SB in at least 10 years, and probably not even an AFC championship game.
But I find that hard to believe as a factor. We had the same damn thing in the NFC for like 15 years too. SF/Dal/NYG/Wash/Chi from 1981 to 1995. :shrug: |
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For me it's pretty much like Dane said. I'd add, for me anyway, the presentation of the games. In that, it's always about a story of some sort. Whatever the story is, it's best me to death leading up to the game, and during the game. Just show the ****ing game.
College has had my attention for the past 8 years or so. Way more than the NFL. I've watched the chiefs games this year, but have watched probably a total of 10 minutes of other NFL games. NFL is just boring to me. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk |
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Right. I would think so, but we had the same problem in the NFC for 15 years and it didn't seem to hurt too badly. It could be the specific teams at issue. "America's Team", the Cowboys, were in the mix before, and so their success was good for the NFL. Dallas (with their broad appeal), plus WASH/NYG/SF/CHI are bigger, in terms of market size, than NE/IND/PIT/DEN/BALT. I dunno. Probably it's a combo of factors. Feelings of futility, plus replay issues, plus "refs suck", plus over-saturation, maybe, all combinign to drive down ratings. |
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I definitely agree they need to get of Thursday night games and probably need to change the review system to be more like the NCAA. Maybe have all the replay decisions come from NFL headquarters. Also they need to make every rule reviewable. |
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This goes back to the rules changes which have continually favored the passing game. Tightening up pass interference and other rules changes have reduced the importance of other aspects of football, all in favor of passing. Not that it is impossible to win otherwise (see, unfortunately, Denver last year), but it's increasingly hard to be competitive without an above-average or great QB. Belichick was talking about an aspect of htis earlier this week. He said when he came into the NFL (aroudn 1975) there were 6 competitive plays in special teams. As of last year, there were only two. He therefore welcomed the rules change bringing kickoff returns to the 25, as it had returned kick and kick coverage into a competitive play. Take it away Bill: Quote:
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The whole world has.
It's a dishonest way of living. |
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I realize for many people it is not a viable option, but when I watch the prime time games, I'm watching them off the recorder (without knowing the results) and skipping the commercials. Just say no to watching commercials. |
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I think that is probably where they end up. Which I guess means either you onside kick it, or the other team gets the ball at the 20. Hopefully not the 25. |
Jesus, I would imagine viewership is down in the rest of the AFC East. 15 years of suck, the Pats lose Brady, Gronk doesn't even have a catch yet as he recovers from a hammy, and this is what they have to deal with.
I, of course, am totally fine with it, but it certainly drives home the point... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtnHn_fWYAAESuo.jpg:large |
I'm Ron Burgandy?
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Couldn't agree more. I would rather the NFL concentrate on Sunday and Monday and to hell with the rest. Take the time, spend the money on training the "officials" and STOP changing the damned game every off-season. I've been a fan since the 60s - the game looks nothing now like it did then. The NFL's biggest problem? The NFL. |
Everything is becoming too politically correct.
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The NFL anymore resembles College Football Bowl Season.
It seems like there's a game on every night for weeks on end and those games are usually noncompetitive blowouts. |
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I like of the idea of instead of doing a kickoff you have a punt. Or rather, you treat it as, say, 4th and 5 from the 30 yard line so the team can go for it if they want. The yard line and down distance can be tweaked as needed. For something even more contrived, I think it would be interesting if it starts out as 4th and one. If the "kick off" team ever converts fourth down instead of punting, then the next kick off goes to 4th and 5 and then maybe it goes to 4th and ten and stays there for any more attempts. It would make it easier to have comebacks and make for a more interesting decision. |
Poll would have been perfect if it included an "I'm Ron Burgundy?" option.
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1 in 5 US households are cutting the cord. That's a shitload of viewers.
To me, it is an absolutely obsolete model to be reliant on DirecTV to push your out-of-market TV viewership. It made sense 5-10 years ago when everybody wanted cable. It doesn't make sense in today's world. You have customers who would pay a shitload of money to stream games on their computer, and you're denying them that unless they pay for a clunky dish and an expensive monthly cable charge, for a service they only need 3 months out of the year. And DirecTV is desperate to cling on because they know that lots of subscribers keep their dish only because of Sunday Ticket. So DirecTV will never be open to opening up their streaming services to non-dish subscribers in a meaningful way. Case-in-point... Thursday NFL games that are available to all markets on cable AND DirecTV... 2 million viewers on Twitter. Imagine what that viewership would look like if that service was offered to all games, especially games where a lot of viewership is out-of-market and can't get through network TV. The fact that Goodell gave Twitter a great deal even though they underbid speaks volumes.... They know the importance of streaming TV and I bet the NFL is secretly wishing they could get out of this DirecTV deal. |
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When we were little in the 80s he was a big NFL fan, always watched it every Sunday and MNF. I dont think hes watched any in several years now. Hes not that old, just has other interests now. |
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The NFL is guaranteed $1.5 billion dollars per year through 2021 with Direct TV/AT&T. If you think that they want to give that up for a Twitter, you're dead wrong. |
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If Direct TV isn't available in your area or you live in a complex that won't allow a dish, the Sunday Ticket streaming option is available. |
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And I didn't say the NFL needs to replace their current contract with Twitter. I am saying the use of streaming for a nationally televised game goes to show how many people would gladly stream an out-of-market game that wasn't available on network TV. The NFL would greatly benefit from their current model, but offering a paid streaming option for anyone who didn't want to commit to a dish. The fact that the NFL has no option for non-dish subscribers (apart from college) to stream is completely bonkers. And it's completely out of touch with today's world. Again, Goodell's Twitter contract seems to be acknowledgement that Goodell understands this problem. |
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Good grief, you're SO ****ING verbose. And, of course, you're wrong. Last night's game garnered only 8 million viewers across all platforms, including streaming. The 2015 Week 4 Thursday night game garnered 19.4 million viewers on NFLN and CBS. Quote:
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2.2M total viewers on Twitter (2.6M in week 2). Only 200-300K at any given time. But that's a lot of eyeballs. Quote:
MLBTV has 3.5M subscribers paying $130 for a much less popular sport. The NFL would have a shitload more subscribers paying a much higher price. You're absolutely nuts if you don't think there would be enormous demand for an online streaming option that didn't tie your hands to a dish. |
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Individuals demonstrating their positions is one thing to reconcile with your personal politics. The entire entertainment venue focusing on it at the expense of other sports coverage is another level to hurdle. |
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Again, the NFL receives $1.5 BILLION dollars for the rights to Sunday Ticket. They're not going to turn down $1.5 BILLION dollars, especially at a time when viewership is declining. Quote:
Secondly, for the NFL to receive $1.5 billion from any other source, using your $130 dollar example, the NFL would need a minimum of 11.5 MILLION subscribers. Currently, there are on 2 million subscribers to Sunday Ticket on DTV. The numbers don't work, at all. |
Oh, and MLB streaming is just short of sucking. I have a Roku 2 connected to a 65" Sharp Aquos and I have to change the advanced motion setting just to see a Royals game somewhat clearly.
No to mention, interruptions, skips, motion blurs, etc. The NFL is a much faster paced game and I think it would probably look like shit on large LED's. And I have a 225 mbps connection. |
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There are 2M subscribers. How many aren't subscribing because they don't want to buy a ****ing dish? If the MLB is pulling in 3.5M and the NFL only 2M, that tells you all you need to know. The NFL subscribership should be crushing the MLB. You can replace DirecTV's bid with a cable bid. It would have to be an omnichannel option. Would be crazy to only offer the service online streaming. How much money are you losing in fans who become less engaged with the NFL because they stop watching because it's inconvenient. How much money are you losing in advertising that you could place on your streaming site? The numbers add up. Especially if you take lost viewership seriously and realize those viewers create fans that spend a shitload of money on the NFL. |
Today's world for out-of-market games:
-Pay several hundred $'s to install a dish. Locked in to an expensive cable charge -Pay $350 for Sunday Ticket on top -Don't have a dish? **** you. Alternative: -Option to watch on cable per game, per month, or per year with a paid subscription -Option to watch streaming only. No need to have cable. -Bundled rate for both Um... yeah, I think the second option will get you a hell of a lot more viewers. |
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What's even dumber is the idea that the NFL would shun a guaranteed $1.5 BILLION dollar per year licensing fee in order to "test the waters" with a different format, especially when numbers are declining. Idiot. |
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For new subscribers, Sunday Ticket is FREE. Secondly, there is NO charge for installation or equipment. Clearly, you don't read the Sunday Ticket thread because NO ONE pays full price. I paid $159 for Sunday Ticket Max this year. |
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I'm on board with getting rid of Thursday games. Not enough time for teams to properly prepare compounded with players having less recovery time leading to a complete shitfest more often than not. It's hurting the quality of the overall image of their product.
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I BEEN WAITING ALL DAY FOR A THURSDAY NIIIIIIGHT...
Said nobody ever. I watch college football to get my fix anymore. The NFL is the Chiefs and that's about it. |
How big of a pussy do you have to be to quit watch the NFL over players kneeling?
I'm sure there are like dozens of people that have though. |
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-There are 20M DirecTV subscribers -There are a projected 100M TV households -19.5M cut the cord Meaning there are 80M households who have no access to out-of-market games unless you go to a bar/friend's house. I'm betting plenty would gladly pay for online streaming if it was available. It's literally not even an option. So you're saying that if you open up subscribership to 100M households instead of 20M that you won't see a significant bump in subscribers? That the NFL doesn't get hurt whatsoever by not offering convenient viewing options to 80% of US households? |
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Peaceful protest is at the very heart of the existence of the U.S.A. All these inbred idiots say the NFL should block the protests one second and then say complain about the government taking away their rights the next. :doh!: |
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