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oaklandhater 10-10-2016 02:01 PM

Brock Osweiler has been a $72 million disaster for the Texans
 
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/b...-texans-100916


Should Houston be having buyer's remorse after five weeks?


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By Cameron DaSilva
Oct 9, 2016 at 5:11p ET
The Houston Texans took a leap of faith this offseason by signing Brock Osweiler to a four-year, $72 million contract. They did so without meeting the 25-year-old former Bronco face-to-face, showing a desperate desire to fill a void at quarterback that’s been there for most of the franchise’s existence.

Sure, Matt Schaub was decent, but he brought little excitement to an up-and-coming team. David Carr before him obviously wasn’t the answer, and Osweiler may not be either.

Not given the way he’s played this season.

Osweiler, a big-armed quarterback who stands 6-foot-8, plays like anything but that. He operates as if he can’t complete a pass more than 20 yards downfield. With guys like DeAndre Hopkins and Will Fuller – two talented deep threats – at his disposal, it’s hard to explain why Osweiler opts for checkdown after checkdown.

He showed a serious lack of confidence in himself against the Patriots two weeks ago, and he did the same against the Vikings on Sunday. Osweiler completed 19 of 42 passes for 184 yards, one touchdown and an interception in the Texans’ embarrassing 31-13 loss. And if you didn’t think those numbers were bad, consider that most of his production came in garbage time with the Texans completely out of the game.


His lone touchdown throw was with 4:29 left and the Vikings playing a soft prevent defense. Even with that score, Osweiler still finished with a passer rating of 56.1 – the worst of his already disastrous 2016 season. It’s the third time he’s had a game with a passer rating below 70, which is more than the number of times he’s had a rating above 70.

By comparison, with the Broncos in 2015, he didn’t have a single game with a passer rating below that mark, posting two above 100. He’s had zero such games in 2016.

There’s no question Osweiler looks like a completely different quarterback in Houston, and though he was never an overly aggressive QB in Denver, his regression has been alarming. His struggles culminated in Sunday’s game, when he averaged a mere 4.4 yards per attempt.


This season, only four quarterbacks have thrown 40 passes in a game and averaged less than 5.0 yards per attempt. Osweiler is one of them, and he’s the lone quarterback to do it twice.

Now, it’s still early in the Osweiler experiment, but the Texans have to be concerned about his lack of development and the fact that he and Hopkins can’t get on the same page – even after five weeks. Hopkins thrived with Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett and T.J. Yates at quarterback last season, proving he can get it done with journeymen throwing him passes. Journeymen who weren't sucking up a significant portion of the team's salary cap.

Osweiler is angling toward becoming Ryan Tannehill: a player who’s treated and paid like a franchise quarterback, but plays like anything but. Osweiler has tanked in his first two road starts for the Texans, and he’s far from the reason they’ve won three games. Conversely, he’s the main reason they’ve lost two out of five.


Unless he and his 6.0 yards per attempt improve, the Texans aren’t going anywhere. He’s among the worst in the league in that department, as well as passer rating. He’s thrown six touchdown passes and seven interceptions in five games despite having one of the best supporting casts in football.

The Texans set him up to succeed with the additions of running back Lamar Miller and receivers Will Fuller and Braxton Miller, and all he’s done is fail – and fail horribly.

To be fair, the Vikings have the best defense in the league and have shut down even the best quarterbacks. But there’s no excuse for Osweiler to rack up 184 yards on 42 attempts. At this point, the Texans look like they’ve downgraded at quarterback, particularly after seeing how Hoyer is playing in Chicago.


Hoyer is making $2 million with the Bears compared to Osweiler’s $18 million. In four games (three starts), Hoyer has thrown for 1,094 yards and six touchdowns and has yet to throw an interception. His passer rating is well above 100 on the season, a mark Osweiler has yet to eclipse in a single game this year.

The Texans obviously won't give up on Osweiler yet, as they're committed to him for at least two seasons, but there's no doubt he's been the exact opposite of what they paid for.

oaklandhater 10-10-2016 02:02 PM

Retread QB's not even once.

oaklandhater 10-10-2016 02:05 PM

His QBR is higher then Alex's so what does that make smith for the chiefs ?

Donger 10-10-2016 02:05 PM

This season, only four quarterbacks have thrown 40 passes in a game and averaged less than 5.0 yards per attempt. Osweiler is one of them, and he’s the lone quarterback to do it twice.

Who are the other three?

Marcellus 10-10-2016 02:07 PM

Quote:

The Houston Texans took a leap of faith this offseason by signing Brock Osweiler to a four-year, $72 million contract. They did so without meeting the 25-year-old former Bronco face-to-face,
This cant be too common. I mean WTF?

Hammock Parties 10-10-2016 02:07 PM

What's amazing is that Brock has been a dumpster fire and still ranks above several QBs in:

yards
TDs
TD%
yards per completion
QBR
sacks
sack %

I am not naming names

oaklandhater 10-10-2016 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12476044)
What's amazing is that Brock has been a dumpster fire and still ranks above several QBs in:

yards
TDs
TD%
yards per completion
QBR
sacks
sack %

I am not naming names

At this point I think it goes with out saying.

We're in Cassell territory now.

Anyong Bluth 10-10-2016 02:09 PM

Houston better hope Chicago wants to trade for him!

MagicHef 10-10-2016 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 12476037)
This season, only four quarterbacks have thrown 40 passes in a game and averaged less than 5.0 yards per attempt. Osweiler is one of them, and he’s the lone quarterback to do it twice.

Who are the other three?

I found 5 total:

Osweiler vs MIN and NE
Flacco vs WAS
Luck vs DEN
Winston vs ARI
Fitzpatrick vs KC

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...der_by=pass_td

Hammock Parties 10-10-2016 02:12 PM

Flacco is having a terrible year. His YPC has dipped to 9.3. LMAO

jimidollar 10-10-2016 02:18 PM

I would love to point and laugh, but two things stop me. 1. We lost to this clown. 2. We have Alex Smith!!!!!

Hammock Parties 10-10-2016 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 12476034)
His QBR is higher then Alex's so what does that make smith for the chiefs ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimidollar (Post 12476065)
I would love to point and laugh, but two things stop me. 1. We lost to this clown. 2. We have Alex Smith!!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/0Pnr0ZB.jpg

Hydrae 10-10-2016 02:26 PM

Have to also remember that this is his first year in a new (to him) system. Not that that seems like a reasonable excuse when making that kind of scratch but it is a factor.

Discuss Thrower 10-10-2016 02:28 PM

Dude's made maybe one full season worth of starts at this point? If that?

Sure, rip the contract for being ridiculous, but to say he's bust without 16 starts to his credit is incredibly premature.

BlackHelicopters 10-10-2016 02:42 PM

I'm not saying it's Aliens, but it's Aliens..

ptlyon 10-10-2016 02:44 PM

Houston just got Tyler Thigpen'd.

ChiefAshhole1056 10-10-2016 02:48 PM

He's bad... His footwork is everywhere, his delivery starts by his waist and is slow, and he has started to see phantom pressure. His deep ball is above average and with his outside guys that all he needs, but Brock needs to find a way to regain his confidence because currently it looks shot.

Deberg_1990 10-10-2016 02:53 PM

He really wasn't all that impressive last year. He got replaced after 5-6 games by an 80 year old broke dick because they couldn't move the ball. Elway knows what's up.

Anyong Bluth 10-10-2016 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12476144)
He really wasn't all that impressive last year. He got replaced after 5-6 games by an 80 year old broke dick because they couldn't move the ball. Elway knows what's up.

Except Denver was blindsided when he signed with Houston.

Chief Northman 10-10-2016 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole1056 (Post 12476127)
He's bad... His footwork is everywhere, his delivery starts by his waist and is slow, and he has started to see phantom pressure. His deep ball is above average and with his outside guys that all he needs, but Brock needs to find a way to regain his confidence because currently it looks shot.

And yet we lost to that overrated team...

So disappointing.

Discuss Thrower 10-10-2016 02:58 PM

Also, it's pretty stupid for CP to crack on Osweiler's faults considering we're still hoping our 32 year old QB takes a yuge step forward in his 12th season of professional play.

Marcellus 10-10-2016 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12476157)
Also, it's pretty stupid for CP to crack on Osweiler's faults considering we're still hoping our 32 year old QB takes a yuge step forward in his 12th season of professional play.

This isn't true actually.

He doesn't need to take a big step forward he just needs to play like he has in stretches of his career.

The problem is he is too inconsistent.

I have given up hope on that at this point.

Anyong Bluth 10-10-2016 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12476157)
Also, it's pretty stupid for CP to crack on Osweiler's faults considering we're still hoping our 32 year old QB takes a yuge step forward in his 12th season of professional play.

Let me be clear. I'm not cracking on him so much as the contract. Big difference.

No way to claim he's a bust after 5 weeks into the season. Also, no way to claim his play in Denver merited that deal.

So, ya, I laugh at Houston. They may have the last laugh down the road?

Discuss Thrower 10-10-2016 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12476173)
Let me be clear. I'm not cracking on him so much as the contract. Big difference.

No way to claim he's a bust after 5 weeks into the season. Also, no way to claim his play in Denver merited that deal.

So, ya, I laugh at Houston. They may have the last laugh down the road?

On the one hand, it was a ridiculous contract for the Texans to hand out.

On the other... "That's the market..."

Meatloaf 10-10-2016 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12476166)
This isn't true actually.

He doesn't need to take a big step forward he just needs to play like he has in stretches of his career.

The problem is he is too inconsistent.

I have given up hope on that at this point.

Not sure I'd log it under "inconsistent", Marcellus as I think he simply has some limitations, and when those are exploited, he pretty much comes apart. Maybe that's how you see it too and just called that inconsistent. Give me career stats from Alex the rest of the way this year, and we'll have a good year. So far, he's nowhere near his norm.

chiefzilla1501 10-10-2016 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12476166)
This isn't true actually.

He doesn't need to take a big step forward he just needs to play like he has in stretches of his career.

The problem is he is too inconsistent.

I have given up hope on that at this point.

Except that the reason for the inconsistency is a consistent mentality to play conservative until his back is against the wall. That will unfortunately never change. It keeps us close in most of our games. But it isn't a consistent formula unless you have a Montana like clutch qb, which Alex is not.

But I do agree that Alex can do it. Mentally, he won't.

Anyong Bluth 10-10-2016 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12476177)
On the one hand, it was a ridiculous contract for the Texans to hand out.

On the other... "That's the market..."

? They set the market, and Denver passed and no one else was bidding. Hard to say that they didn't overpay.

RunKC 10-10-2016 04:52 PM

Amazing that nobody puts this on O'Brien. He's a completely overrated Patriot tree reerun that can't help his players.

Hoopsdoc 10-10-2016 04:53 PM

Luckily for Brock, he gets the Colts horrendous defense at home on Sunday night. Look for his numbers balloon.

Heck, if I owned him in FF, I'd start him.

ThaVirus 10-10-2016 04:54 PM

Never thought he was good but he could develop into a decent starter.

My guess is he won't.

Anyong Bluth 10-10-2016 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12476401)
Never thought he was good but he could develop into a decent starter.

My guess is he won't.

That's my biggest flag. Who's grooming him down there. I've got less faith in the support and coaching down there to bring him along.

alpha_omega 10-10-2016 06:12 PM

Author failure......
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Sure, Matt Schaub was decent....

Sorter 10-10-2016 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12476395)
Amazing that nobody puts this on O'Brien. He's a completely overrated Patriot tree reerun that can't help his players.

Didn't they make the playoffs with Brian Hoyer/Ryan Mallett last year?

Couch-Potato 10-10-2016 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 12476110)
I'm not saying it's Aliens, but it's Aliens..

I think you're on to something here.

chiefzilla1501 10-10-2016 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12476395)
Amazing that nobody puts this on O'Brien. He's a completely overrated Patriot tree reerun that can't help his players.

Nobody outside of chiefsplanet. I think everyone on cp is pretty well aware

RunKC 10-10-2016 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 12476556)
Didn't they make the playoffs with Brian Hoyer/Ryan Mallett last year?

Is that really an accomplishment with the Jags, Titans and a Colts team without Luck for more than half the year?

Sorter 10-10-2016 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12476698)
Is that really an accomplishment with the Jags, Titans and a Colts team without Luck for more than half the year?

Yes, it is.

Chiefshrink 10-10-2016 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole1056 (Post 12476127)
He's bad... His footwork is everywhere, his delivery starts by his waist and is slow, and he has started to see phantom pressure. His deep ball is above average and with his outside guys that all he needs, but Brock needs to find a way to regain his confidence because currently it looks shot.

Are you talking about Lynch here?:D Brock and Paxton looked like twin brothers yesterday. Paxton has an excuse at this point but really what were the Texans thinking signing a guy that proved he could not move the chains nor finish the deal in a super bowl run with only 7 games under his belt:shrug: ?

Buehler445 10-10-2016 08:27 PM

Yes he has.

We've played the backup QB game too. And it blows.

listopencil 10-10-2016 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12476772)
Are you talking about Lynch here?:D Brock and Paxton looked like twin brothers yesterday. Paxton has an excuse at this point but really what were the Texans thinking signing a guy that proved he could not move the chains nor finish the deal in a super bowl run with only 7 games under his belt:shrug: ?


Pax simply isn't ready yet. If Siemian played that game we'd have won it. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk though. I'm not upset that the Broncos let Oz go rather than overpay him, and I didn't expect Pax to be ready. They'll just have to make do until they get their starter back.

Willie Lanier 10-10-2016 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12476079)
Dude's made maybe one full season worth of starts at this point? If that?

Sure, rip the contract for being ridiculous, but to say he's bust without 16 starts to his credit is incredibly premature.

Eh, if you watched him at ASU, you would know this was an inevitable confluence of events...

He's just OK, probably will be that way throughout his career

Mile High Mania 10-11-2016 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12476875)
Pax simply isn't ready yet. If Siemian played that game we'd have won it. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk though. I'm not upset that the Broncos let Oz go rather than overpay him, and I didn't expect Pax to be ready. They'll just have to make do until they get their starter back.

True.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-11-2016 08:41 AM

The sad part is he would still be a HUGE upgrade in Pile High.

Mile High Mania 10-11-2016 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12477369)
The sad part is he would still be a HUGE upgrade in Pile High.

Really? I think that's debatable at this point... maybe long-term he'll prove to have a better career, but through 5 games, I don't have any complaints.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-11-2016 01:12 PM

Lynch is a disaster and Semenboy is below JAG

JohnnyHammersticks 10-11-2016 01:43 PM

Brock isn't an intelligent guy, it's apparent when he speaks. That's why an advance meeting or 2 with the guy you're about to chose to lead your franchise for the foreseeable future is always advisable. The Texans would've had a better chance of success if they had just kept Hoyer.


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