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The Franchise 10-14-2016 10:55 AM

****OFFICIAL Walterfootball.com Mock Draft Thread****
 
www.walterfootball.com

I'll try and update this periodically throughout the season.

17. Charles Harris, DE/OLB, Missouri

The Chiefs currently aren't getting any pressure on the quarterback. That's obviously because Justin Houston is out, but Dee Ford, starting in his place, has done nothing. Tamba Hali doesn't have much longer remaining as a pro, so the Chiefs will need to find a suitable replacement for him.


49. Anthony Walker, ILB, Northwestern

The Chiefs could spend a second-day selection on an inside linebacker, given that Derrick Johnson is nearing retirement.

In58men 10-14-2016 06:53 PM

Need more weapons for Smith.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-16-2016 07:33 PM

I get the ILB, but didn't KC just draft DE up top?

The Franchise 10-16-2016 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12488890)
I get the ILB, but didn't KC just draft DE up top?

Are you reeruned?

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-17-2016 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12489070)
Are you reeruned?

You can never have enough Tyson Jackson's?

kccrow 10-17-2016 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12489344)
You can never have enough Tyson Jackson's?

Uhh, umm, Harris would be an OLB in a 3-4, not a DE.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-17-2016 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12490379)
Uhh, umm, Harris would be an OLB in a 3-4, not a DE.

Soooo...remove him from the position he's being listed in for draft, and make him in to an OLB?

Sounds sane.

Saccopoo 10-17-2016 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12490423)
Soooo...remove him from the position he's being listed in for draft, and make him in to an OLB?

Sounds sane.

Charles Harris is a 6'3", 250 lb. DE operating out of a 43 at Missouri

He would be a OLB in the Chiefs 34.

Dee Ford, Justin Houston and Tamba Hali all operated out of a DE position in college.

Houston was 6'3" 270 lb. at the Combine, and Hali was 6'3", 275 lb. at his pro day. Ford was 6'2", 252 lb. at the Combine.

Much like Harris: From NFL.com Combine profile:

Quote:

Houston is a bit undersized as a traditional 4-3 defensive end but fits the mold of a 3-4 outside linebacker.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-17-2016 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 12490467)
Charles Harris is a 6'3", 250 lb. DE operating out of a 43 at Missouri

He would be a OLB in the Chiefs 34.

Dee Ford, Justin Houston and Tamba Hali all operated out of a DE position in college.

Houston was 6'3" 270 lb. at the Combine, and Hali was 6'3", 275 lb. at his pro day. Ford was 6'2", 252 lb. at the Combine.

Much like Harris: From NFL.com Combine profile:

Hali-replacement surgery?

Saccopoo 10-17-2016 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12490474)
Hali-replacement surgery?

More like a Dee Ford selection.

Ford, while he's played the strong side OLB for the most part due to Houston injuries over the past couple of seasons, is probably more suited to that "Falcon" weak side ROLB position (or whatever you want to call it) that Hali has manned. However, he's not the best in run support and Sutton seems to enjoy dropping that position/Hali into zone coverage more than I like to see and pass defense hasn't really been a hallmark of Ford's skillset - at least to this point consistently. At this point, I'd rather have them keep Ford as he is - a solid third option that can play either side and get a guy who can actually start at a high level as a rookie at Hali's position.

They need to get quality depth at the OLB position out of this next draft. A guy that can step in and produce when asked to without being a liability on the field. Right now, that's been Zombo, and he's a solid player, but they need another guy. (And Zombo was another college DE that is an NFL OLB in a 34.) He's only 29, but has never been the quickest cat off the edge. More of a outwork you type of player, but without the physical strength of a Tamba Hali.

Harris would be an excellent pick for the Chiefs. He's got an excellent first step and he plays with power. Really a nice prospect for a 34 defense, especially as Sutton's Chiefs defense has been run. That's as good a pick as they could hope for in the upcoming draft IMO.

DJ's left nut 10-18-2016 02:25 PM

And the new D in Missouri isn't doing Harris any favors. The scheme is much more read and react and he seems constantly caught in between.

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about him, but if he's available in the late 1st it will be because this defensive scheme has neutered him. After last season, he looked like a probable top 10 pick based on his growth in his first 2 years. He's just completely stalled out.

kccrow 10-18-2016 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12490423)
Soooo...remove him from the position he's being listed in for draft, and make him in to an OLB?

Sounds sane.

There are very few collegiate 3-4 defenses. Georgia and Alabama probably run the best, but Alabama OLBs are rarely that good. Most 3-4 OLBs were slightly undersized 4-3 DEs in college.

Titty Meat 10-20-2016 01:42 PM

It would be hard to imagine once Berry becomes a FA and Gaines proven he can't stay on the field that the Chiefs don't go secondary round 1.

kcchiefsus 10-20-2016 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12496170)
It would be hard to imagine once Berry becomes a FA and Gaines proven he can't stay on the field that the Chiefs don't go secondary round 1.

Meanwhile the quarterback position will be one of the worst situations in the entire NFL.

Mother****erJones 10-21-2016 12:24 PM

BPA in round one. Also trade back to accumulate more picks for 2018 to try and move up for a QB wouldn't be bad.


Whomever they take round 1, needs to make an impact.

Mother****erJones 10-21-2016 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12491810)
And the new D in Missouri isn't doing Harris any favors. The scheme is much more read and react and he seems constantly caught in between.

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about him, but if he's available in the late 1st it will be because this defensive scheme has neutered him. After last season, he looked like a probable top 10 pick based on his growth in his first 2 years. He's just completely stalled out.

Good let him slide like a Dadi Nicholas from Va Tech this year. Dadi got crushed in draft stock from his last year in VT.

Saccopoo 10-21-2016 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12496170)
It would be hard to imagine once Berry becomes a FA and Gaines proven he can't stay on the field that the Chiefs don't go secondary round 1.

It's an interesting safety class.

And they obviously need another starter level corner. I think that Nelson has actually played okay so far this season, but he's not an NFL edge/island type of guy. Nickle dude. They need a guy who can really defend the pass. As I stated in my mock, I really like Cameron Sutton of Tennessee. Is a beast on LOS support and can really defend the ball on the edge. Excellent corner and is basically the opposite of how Peters plays the ball. Should be an excellent match.

They also need to look at some safeties depending on how the Berry contract negotations go. I'm not a Parker fan and I didn't like his game against the Raiders. I think that they need a higher level guy back there. Sorensen has played pretty good so far this season, but they seem to like using him as the linebacker/up safety in the nickle package versus a true safety, and he's done well in that role.

Sutton obviously likes using CB's in the free safety role, but they may need a guy whose a little more robust than the converted CBs that they've been using. (Although, Cameron Sutton would be excellent i that role as he's superb in attacking the line of scrimmage.)

The player that's looking like a late round steal is KCCROW's guy Kai Nacua, a senior from BYU. He's having a monster season and is a real tough guy at the FS position. A rangy ball hawk who's also a beast coming up on ball carrier at the LOS. Excellent instincts.

Saccopoo 10-21-2016 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12497842)
Good let him slide like a Dadi Nicholas from Va Tech this year. Dadi got crushed in draft stock from his last year in VT.

I was thinking the same thing. Nicholas was hamstringed his final year in college by having to play with his hand in the dirt all the time after a stellar 2014 season. However, I personally think that Nicholas would be better utilized on the inside versus a NFL level edge pass rusher. I don't think he's got the strength to be effective against NFL tackles. The way Sutton uses his ILB's, Nicholas would seem to have more traits at that position in Sutton's defense than on the edge.

However, Charles Harris does have very good functional strength off the edge as well as that very good first step. He's getting neutered this season by the MU defensive system, but he's got all the hallmarks of a top flight 34 OLB.

I also like TCU's Josh Carraway. While it's not saying much, he impressed the shit out of me playing against Kansas this season. He was tenacious and really found the ball well playing off the edge. Good size, length and burst to make the transition from college DE to 34 OOB at the next level.

I think that they need to get at least two guys for that position out of this next draft. They keep dangling Moses between released/practice squad/active, Hali has got to be pretty close to legitimately considering retirement, Houston's injury is still a question mark, Ford has yet to turn the corner to be considered a consistent and effective starter and Zombo doesn't have the speed to be a true threat off the edge. Hard worker with good instincts, but doesn't have the strength and speed to be a true difference maker on a regular basis.

They need two dudes who can potentially threaten to break into the starting rotation as a rookie.

Really wish that they drafted Kyler Fackrell versus Kevarae Russell this past draft.

kccrow 10-21-2016 04:40 PM

Starting to think a couple of my early targets are going to slide up quite a bit by the time real drafturbation starts... I recently saw Tankersley in the late 20's in a 1st round mock, and Nacua's last 2 seasons make him look like a 1st or 2nd round pick, so long as he runs in the 4.5s. At this point, I can't see Nacua making it past the 4th.

kccrow 10-21-2016 04:42 PM

BTW, I really, really like Anthony Walker... BUT... He's a bit undersized. He is a DJ replacement, not a compliment. I don't know what the Chiefs nor DJ plan after this season, so I'm reserving judgement on him being a viable target.

SAUTO 10-22-2016 11:19 AM

What happens cap wise if hali retires?

kccrow 10-22-2016 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12498899)
What happens cap wise if hali retires?

Chiefs Cap -$333,334 according to OTC...

http://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531/

Mother****erJones 10-24-2016 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 12497957)
I was thinking the same thing. Nicholas was hamstringed his final year in college by having to play with his hand in the dirt all the time after a stellar 2014 season. However, I personally think that Nicholas would be better utilized on the inside versus a NFL level edge pass rusher. I don't think he's got the strength to be effective against NFL tackles. The way Sutton uses his ILB's, Nicholas would seem to have more traits at that position in Sutton's defense than on the edge.

However, Charles Harris does have very good functional strength off the edge as well as that very good first step. He's getting neutered this season by the MU defensive system, but he's got all the hallmarks of a top flight 34 OLB.

I also like TCU's Josh Carraway. While it's not saying much, he impressed the shit out of me playing against Kansas this season. He was tenacious and really found the ball well playing off the edge. Good size, length and burst to make the transition from college DE to 34 OOB at the next level.

I think that they need to get at least two guys for that position out of this next draft. They keep dangling Moses between released/practice squad/active, Hali has got to be pretty close to legitimately considering retirement, Houston's injury is still a question mark, Ford has yet to turn the corner to be considered a consistent and effective starter and Zombo doesn't have the speed to be a true threat off the edge. Hard worker with good instincts, but doesn't have the strength and speed to be a true difference maker on a regular basis.

They need two dudes who can potentially threaten to break into the starting rotation as a rookie.

Really wish that they drafted Kyler Fackrell versus Kevarae Russell this past draft.

Lets see how he finishes the season and bulks up over the course of the off-season. He's played minimal snaps but I want more because of the ineffectiveness of Hali and Zombo. He had a nice rush in the Oakland game and pressured Carr. Dadi is just a natural at getting to the QB. So my vision is using him as a rotationally pass rusher if he doesn't get bigger and is a liability. Houston on one side and rotate Dadi with Ford and another draft pick.


I would like to see us seriously look at QBs the next two years and take one high.

First rounder needs to be an impact player. I don't care what it is. Corner, safety, wideout or pass rusher. This team is third youngest team, so Dorsey and co. will continue to add in talent. Pass rusher is my key need for the off-season.

BryanBusby 10-24-2016 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12499406)
Chiefs Cap -$333,334 according to OTC...

http://overthecap.com/player/tamba-hali/531/

That's if he's cut.

They would gain back the rest of the unearned prorated bonus, which would be $3,166,666 (heh) and any figures he had left to make. His roster/workout bonuses would be classfied as LTBE, so there's another 1.25 mil and from there they would also get a credit for his 5.7 mil base.

They would be getting around a 10 million boost in cap space. He forfeits any guaranteed money left or bonus money he hadn't earned yet if he were to retire.

This was a pretty shitty contract made by Dorsey.

kcchiefsus 10-24-2016 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12503789)
Lets see how he finishes the season and bulks up over the course of the off-season. He's played minimal snaps but I want more because of the ineffectiveness of Hali and Zombo. He had a nice rush in the Oakland game and pressured Carr. Dadi is just a natural at getting to the QB. So my vision is using him as a rotationally pass rusher if he doesn't get bigger and is a liability. Houston on one side and rotate Dadi with Ford and another draft pick.


I would like to see us seriously look at QBs the next two years and take one high.

First rounder needs to be an impact player. I don't care what it is. Corner, safety, wideout or pass rusher. This team is third youngest team, so Dorsey and co. will continue to add in talent. Pass rusher is my key need for the off-season.

We all know that will never happen. It's either Foles or some other castoff after Smith.

BryanBusby 10-24-2016 10:43 PM

I don't see the Chiefs ever have a shot at a high range QB, unless they ride the Alex train until the wheels have clearly fallen off.

Andy will start mixing in FA gambles and Day 2 dice rolls until he lands a hit whenever he feels it's time to start seriously looking.

kcchiefsus 10-25-2016 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12505273)
I don't see the Chiefs ever have a shot at a high range QB, unless they ride the Alex train until the wheels have clearly fallen off.

Andy will start mixing in FA gambles and Day 2 dice rolls until he lands a hit whenever he feels it's time to start seriously looking.

I don't expect he'll ever get a real hit, he'll finally be fired before he ever lucks into a legitimate quarterback.

BryanBusby 10-25-2016 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 12505591)
I don't expect he'll ever get a real hit, he'll finally be fired before he ever lucks into a legitimate quarterback.

Two brokedicks in the 5th round and a UDFA pick up doesn't tell us much so far. You could be right.

DJ's left nut 10-25-2016 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12504360)
That's if he's cut.

They would gain back the rest of the unearned prorated bonus, which would be $3,166,666 (heh) and any figures he had left to make. His roster/workout bonuses would be classfied as LTBE, so there's another 1.25 mil and from there they would also get a credit for his 5.7 mil base.

They would be getting around a 10 million boost in cap space. He forfeits any guaranteed money left or bonus money he hadn't earned yet if he were to retire.

This was a pretty shitty contract made by Dorsey.

He only forfeits the signing bonus money if the Chiefs actually recover it. Remember, he gets the Bonus the day he signs.

There is an exactly zero percent chance the Chiefs go after that money. He'll keep that and the Chiefs will carry the cap hit.

Yeah, it wasn't a good deal but I think the news had gotten out in team circles about Houston's knee and Hali's agent had Dorsey over a barrel.

BryanBusby 10-25-2016 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12506030)
He only forfeits the signing bonus money if the Chiefs actually recover it. Remember, he gets the Bonus the day he signs.

There is an exactly zero percent chance the Chiefs go after that money. He'll keep that and the Chiefs will carry the cap hit.

Yeah, it wasn't a good deal but I think the news had gotten out in team circles about Houston's knee and Hali's agent had Dorsey over a barrel.

That's assuming Hali wouldn't voluntarily repay it.

DJ's left nut 10-25-2016 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 12506122)
That's assuming Hali wouldn't voluntarily repay it.

He's loyal, not stupid.

The guy's given a lot for this game and has left a few bucks on the table here and there. There aren't a ton of guys that earn every penny they make in the NFL but Hali will end up pretty close.

I wouldn't expect it and if he offered I suspect Hunt would decline.

I don't mind guys getting paid what they're worth and love it when that worth matches up with the team's need. Hali's been a hell of a fit in that regard pretty much his entire career. When I look at the ring of honor and realize that they're going to have to shrink names or give short shrift to someone like Hali or DJ because they can't help but put guys like Tony Richardson up there, it just makes me cringe a bit.

There are good players and then there are great Chiefs. Hali's the latter. I wouldn't take his money even if he tried to give it back.

BryanBusby 10-25-2016 03:57 PM

Hali has already made more money than he'll ever need and the Chiefs did things for him that are priceless. I wouldn't expect it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gave it back voluntarily. He had zero incentive to adjust his contract earlier, but he did it.

The Chiefs are rather strapped for cap space and may need to recoup it for competitive reasons.

O.city 10-27-2016 11:08 AM

They've got 10 mil this year they can rollover, how much will that help? I haven't looked at next years space much

RunKC 10-27-2016 12:30 PM

The UNC QB looks really intriguing to me. I think he could be a good fit here.

O.city 10-28-2016 10:05 AM

This year's qb class lacks early front end starters which, is good for the chiefs draft spot. Could be some nice developmental guys therr mid late first

The Franchise 10-28-2016 10:11 AM

They have another writer (Charlie Campbell) who does his mock draft as well. Here's his...

25. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

The Chiefs could have drafted a receiver early in the 2016 NFL Draft. Many believe they were targeting Laquon Treadwell with their first-round pick. Here's a receiver to trio with Jeremy Maclin and Chris Conley.

In 2016, Williams has 39 receptions for 578 yards and four touchdowns. He had an impressive return to college football against Auburn as he totaled nine receptions for 174 yards and was unstoppable on the sideline back-shoulder plays. Williams did show some rust with a fumble and a dropped touchdown pass.

In the 2015 season opener, Williams fractured his neck when he ran into the goalpost while catching a touchdown. That ended his year. Williams had the potential to be the top wide receiver prospect in the 2016 NFL Draft as the 6-foot-3, 205-pounder has a real combination of size and speed.

With Sammy Watkins in the NFL, Williams took over as Clemson's lead receiver in 2014 and caught 57 passes for 1,030 yards and six touchdowns. In his freshman season, he had 20 catches for 316 yards and three scores.

58. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State

The Chiefs could use a young linebacker to pair with Derrick Johnson and eventually take over as the leader of their defense when Johnson is done.

In 2016, McMillan has been solid for Ohio State with 42 tackles, 2.5 for a loss, two passes broken up and one forced fumble. The 6-foot-2, 240-pounder played well in 2015, totaling 119 tackles with 1.5 sacks and four passes broken up on the year. As a freshman in 2014, he played a lot for Ohio State and totaled 54 tackles with 2.5 sacks and a pick-six.

McMillan is a tough defender who has the skill set to be a three-down starter in the NFL. However right now, he struggles in pass coverage and needs to improve his ability to drop into coverage. McMillan is a physical, tough run defender at the point of attack.

DJ's left nut 10-28-2016 10:23 AM

I'm not drafting a WR in the first round before we can figure out how to use the weapons we have.

And if we can't, it's time to be drafting a QB.

This team has the weapons and honestly it's becoming almost as ridiculous as Walter's insistence on drafting OL to us for the past 5 years. I think this is 3 straight that we've seen talking heads yapping about the Chiefs need to get another WR.

Smith has enough talent to succeed. There are other teams that have slightly better supporting casts, but not by leaps and bounds. Smith's weapons are well above average and if he can't score points with them, it's time to replace him and stop trying to prop him up.

I like the guy, but it looks like his ceiling is firmly fixed. Putting more people under said roof does nothing to raise it.

O.city 10-28-2016 10:28 AM

Pretty much

We're at the point that you can look at every spot on the offense save for the qb, and think "I mean we could upgrade it I guess, but that guys pretty good".

The last 2 weeks the offense has been better but they still need more explosion

The Franchise 10-28-2016 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12509535)
I'm not drafting a WR in the first round before we can figure out how to use the weapons we have.

And if we can't, it's time to be drafting a QB.

This team has the weapons and honestly it's becoming almost as ridiculous as Walter's insistence on drafting OL to us for the past 5 years. I think this is 3 straight that we've seen talking heads yapping about the Chiefs need to get another WR.

Smith has enough talent to succeed. There are other teams that have slightly better supporting casts, but not by leaps and bounds. Smith's weapons are well above average and if he can't score points with them, it's time to replace him and stop trying to prop him up.

I like the guy, but it looks like his ceiling is firmly fixed. Putting more people under said roof does nothing to raise it.

I don't know if there will be a QB where we end up drafting.....and I don't see them having the balls or the picks to move up and take one of the top ones.

Saccopoo 10-28-2016 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12509503)
This year's 34 OLB class has early front end starters which, is good for the chiefs draft spot. Could be some nice starter guys in the mid late first

fyp

The Franchise 10-28-2016 11:16 AM

Unless there is a QB there......I would like to see them come away with a DE/OLB and a CB in the first 2 rounds.

Saccopoo 10-28-2016 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12509642)
Unless there is a QB there......I would like to see them come away with a DE/OLB and a CB in the first 2 rounds.

I don't see much of a QB or CB class here for the 2017 draft, however, it's chalk full of really solid 34 rush ends/OLBs.

Along with a starting level OLB and CB they also really need a ILB, but most of the guys that fit the Dorsey profile are underclassmen/juniors.

Zach Cunningham of Vanderbilt has been on an absolute tear so far this season, and the guys at Florida are also having a nice year, particularly Alex Anzalone.

They really might get stuck in a "BPA" type of situation, which is probably leaning towards a 34 OLB prospect. (Which wouldn't be a bad thing.)

OldSchool 10-29-2016 05:48 PM

Yup, smart move would be to take a pass rusher or DB up top in this draft.

Dante84 10-31-2016 11:46 AM

We'll be in a great spot (20-32) to pick up a top ILB, if the value is there.

Who is the best ILB coming out?

Saccopoo 11-03-2016 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 12519529)
We'll be in a great spot (20-32) to pick up a top ILB, if the value is there.

Who is the best ILB coming out?

Most are underclassmen and haven't declared.

The guys that fit the Dorsey profile and scheme best are guys like:

Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt; 6'3", 235 lb. rsJr.

Azeem Victor, Washington, 6'3", 230 lb., rsJr.

Alex Anzalone, Florida, 6'3", 235 lb. rs, Jr.


All three are having very productive seasons.

Victor was really strong against Utah and Anzalone was all over the field against Georgia. Cunningham's production so far in 2016 might get him the Butkus Award.

gonefishin53 11-03-2016 08:57 PM

Takkarist McKinley, edge rusher, UCLA is making plays vs Colorado tonight. He's 6'2", 258lbs and gets around OTs real fast. Currently #34 on CBS big board.

Saccopoo 11-03-2016 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonefishin53 (Post 12527901)
Takkarist McKinley, edge rusher, UCLA is making plays vs Colorado tonight. He's 6'2", 258lbs and gets around OTs real fast. Currently #34 on CBS big board.

The guy was a one man wrecking crew against a good Utah offensive line. They couldn't do anything to stop him other than having Joe Williams run the ball.

He impressed the shit out of me that game. He was everywhere.

Utah's Hunter Dimnick was also really good in that game, but Tak McKinley was other worldly.

The Franchise 01-12-2017 11:56 AM

Updated with 4 rounds.

30. Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame

Andy Reid loves bolstering the trenches on both sides of the ball, and I don't think he'd be opposed to selecting a guard late in the first round this April. The interior of Kansas City's offensive line could be better, and Quinton Nelson is one of the better prospects remaining.

62. Tim Williams, DE/OLB, Alabama

Here we go. If you noticed Tim Williams missing in the first round, it's because I've decided to drop him to the end of the second frame. We've learned of some glaring off-the-field issues regarding Williams, so if you're searching for a comparison, think Randy Gregory's fall a couple of years ago. However, some team will take a shot on Williams because of his immense talent level, and Andy Reid has given second chances to players before.

94. Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee

Sean Smith's departure has been felt this year, particularly in the loss to the Buccaneers when Kansas City had no one to cover Mike Evans in Marcus Peters' absence. Terrance Mitchell has been great though, so if this continues, I'll change this pick.

125. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan

Andy Reid loves to utilize two-tight offenses, but he doesn't have much at the position outside of Travis Kelce.

O.city 01-12-2017 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12677352)
Updated with 4 rounds.

30. Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame

Andy Reid loves bolstering the trenches on both sides of the ball, and I don't think he'd be opposed to selecting a guard late in the first round this April. The interior of Kansas City's offensive line could be better, and Quinton Nelson is one of the better prospects remaining.

62. Tim Williams, DE/OLB, Alabama

Here we go. If you noticed Tim Williams missing in the first round, it's because I've decided to drop him to the end of the second frame. We've learned of some glaring off-the-field issues regarding Williams, so if you're searching for a comparison, think Randy Gregory's fall a couple of years ago. However, some team will take a shot on Williams because of his immense talent level, and Andy Reid has given second chances to players before.

94. Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee

Sean Smith's departure has been felt this year, particularly in the loss to the Buccaneers when Kansas City had no one to cover Mike Evans in Marcus Peters' absence. Terrance Mitchell has been great though, so if this continues, I'll change this pick.

125. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan

Andy Reid loves to utilize two-tight offenses, but he doesn't have much at the position outside of Travis Kelce.

**** tha......wait, I'd actually be thrilled with that draft.

RunKC 01-12-2017 12:04 PM

If we couldn't get a QB that draft would be amazing, but Everyone after rd 1 will go a round earlier

DJ's left nut 01-12-2017 12:07 PM

Gimme Cunningham back in the first and I'm fine with this draft.

I'm not sure how excited I'd be to spend a 4th on Butt, though. The torn ACL in the orange bowl means he'll almost certainly miss his rookie year and doesn't speak terribly well towards his long-term durability.

O.city 01-12-2017 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12677385)
Gimme Cunningham back in the first and I'm fine with this draft.

I'm not sure how excited I'd be to spend a 4th on Butt, though. The torn ACL in the orange bowl means he'll almost certainly miss his rookie year and doesn't speak terribly well towards his long-term durability.

Nah, it appears to be a normal ACL tear. HGH him up.

In the 4th round, if we could get him and redshirt him a year, I'd be all for it.

DaneMcCloud 01-12-2017 12:43 PM

I'd take Butt in the 4th all day long.

He'll never be Kelce but he'd sure as hell be way better than O'Shaugnessy, Harris and Travis combined.

Butt at TE, Kelce on the outside or in the slot would be a nightmare matchup for defenses, especially with Hill on the outside.

The Franchise 01-12-2017 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12677385)
Gimme Cunningham back in the first and I'm fine with this draft.

I'm not sure how excited I'd be to spend a 4th on Butt, though. The torn ACL in the orange bowl means he'll almost certainly miss his rookie year and doesn't speak terribly well towards his long-term durability.

I think we could trade with the Lions and move up to 21 and take Cunningham. We've got comp picks to move if need be.

Frosty 01-12-2017 12:46 PM

Another year, another OL mocked to the Chiefs in the first. Same old, same old.

DaneMcCloud 01-12-2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 12677509)
Another year, another OL mocked to the Chiefs in the first. Same old, same old.

While this is true, there is a need at LG so if they go that direction, it would be hard to argue with them, depending on who's left on the board.

O.city 01-12-2017 01:10 PM

I think butt could end up being a better traditional tight end than kelce, in terms of blocking etc.

They'd be an awesome pair.

KC Hawks 01-12-2017 04:07 PM

Walter still thinks Andy makes the picks.

OldSchool 01-12-2017 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 12677509)
Another year, another OL mocked to the Chiefs in the first. Same old, same old.

For Reid's offenses to truly dominate, he needs great Guard play and OL play in general. I wouldn't hate it if we decided to bolster that position with a stud.

DJ's left nut 01-12-2017 06:25 PM

Does anyone expect Nelson to be demonstrably better than Whitehair?

And while Whitehair was a good player for the Bears this year, he made ****-all of a difference. They're pretty much the absolute last spot on the field where I truly care about having an outstanding player.

The problem this year wasn't actually our starting LG - Ehinger played much better than I expected and definitely showed starter potential. And LDT has been a good player as well; not amazing but pretty good.

So who are you looking to bury? And you're willing to use a 1st rounder on the least important position on the field to do so.

Man, I just cannot get there at all. You don't use 1st round picks on interior line depth. That's the kind of dumb-ass argument that Direkshun kept trying to make when he wanted us to take Cameron Erving who, y'know, sucks. The upgrade from LDT or Ehinger to Nelson isn't going to be enough to justify that kind of draft capital, especially not in a draft that is absolutely loaded.

I see a shitload of guys falling into the mid-2nd that would be 1st rounders in a lot of years. This is a great draft. Taking a G is just a bad use of draft resources, IMO.

The Franchise 01-12-2017 06:31 PM

Interesting that Pat Mahomes went in the top 10 to the Bills.

The Franchise 01-12-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12678269)
Does anyone expect Nelson to be demonstrably better than Whitehair?

And while Whitehair was a good player for the Bears this year, he made ****-all of a difference. They're pretty much the absolute last spot on the field where I truly care about having an outstanding player.

The problem this year wasn't actually our starting LG - Ehinger played much better than I expected and definitely showed starter potential. And LDT has been a good player as well; not amazing but pretty good.

So who are you looking to bury? And you're willing to use a 1st rounder on the least important position on the field to do so.

Man, I just cannot get there at all. You don't use 1st round picks on interior line depth. That's the kind of dumb-ass argument that Direkshun kept trying to make when he wanted us to take Cameron Erving who, y'know, sucks. The upgrade from LDT or Ehinger to Nelson isn't going to be enough to justify that kind of draft capital, especially not in a draft that is absolutely loaded.

I see a shitload of guys falling into the mid-2nd that would be 1st rounders in a lot of years. This is a great draft. Taking a G is just a bad use of draft resources, IMO.

Basing my decision off of how the draft went in that mock....I'd be looking to trade down again this year. There isn't really anyone I'd like at that pick.

DJ's left nut 01-12-2017 06:46 PM

I am WHOLLY opposed to trading back this year unless it's yielding us additional first day picks NEXT year.

There aren't as many roster spots available as we have draft picks already.

There are a bunch of guys that come off the board in the early 20s that I'd love to have and a few guys still there at 30 that I'd be fine with. Based on that draft, I'd be looking to move up for Cunningham, Brantley or Peppers than move back. Though I'll admit that Peppers would require we make some changes to the scheme that may not work for him. I don't think he can put on the weight he'd need for a 3-4 ILB; may be a kid that can only play 4-3 SAM.

But if he's Deone Buchannon (and he might be), we can find a way to make him a difference maker here, IMO.

The Franchise 01-12-2017 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12678319)
I am WHOLLY opposed to trading back this year unless it's yielding us additional first day picks NEXT year.

There aren't as many roster spots available as we have draft picks already.

There are a bunch of guys that come off the board in the early 20s that I'd love to have and a few guys still there at 30 that I'd be fine with. Based on that draft, I'd be looking to move up for Cunningham, Brantley or Peppers than move back. Though I'll admit that Peppers would require we make some changes to the scheme that may not work for him. I don't think he can put on the weight he'd need for a 3-4 ILB; may be a kid that can only play 4-3 SAM.

But if he's Deone Buchannon (and he might be), we can find a way to make him a difference maker here, IMO.

Trade up for Kizer.

OldSchool 01-12-2017 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12678319)
I am WHOLLY opposed to trading back this year unless it's yielding us additional first day picks NEXT year.

There aren't as many roster spots available as we have draft picks already.

There are a bunch of guys that come off the board in the early 20s that I'd love to have and a few guys still there at 30 that I'd be fine with. Based on that draft, I'd be looking to move up for Cunningham, Brantley or Peppers than move back. Though I'll admit that Peppers would require we make some changes to the scheme that may not work for him. I don't think he can put on the weight he'd need for a 3-4 ILB; may be a kid that can only play 4-3 SAM.

But if he's Deone Buchannon (and he might be), we can find a way to make him a difference maker here, IMO.

More picks means more chances to get it right. Only fools think that it's smart to give away draft picks because there's "no room" on the roster.

Remember when the Saints traded their entire draft for Ricky Williams?

The Franchise 01-13-2017 11:11 AM

The "other" writer at WF.com put up his mock draft. Only 3 rounds.

30. Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan

The Chiefs grab a third receiver to team with Jeremy Maclin and Tyreek Hill.

As a senior, Davis amassed 97 receptions for 1,500 yards and 19 touchdowns. Sources say the 6-foot-3, 205-pound Davis is long and athletic. He has impressed evaluators with good route-running, hands and deceptive speed. They like his run-after-the-catch skills and size.

Davis was banged up somewhat in 2015, but still produced, totaling 90 receptions for 1,436 yards with 12 touchdowns. In 2014, Davis was excellent with 78 catches for 1,408 yards and 15 touchdowns. He had quality production as a freshman as well (67-941-6).

62. T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin

The Chiefs could use a young understudy behind Tamba Hali.

Watt was one of the breakout players of the 2016 season. He is good at setting the edge in run defense and also is a terror in the pass rush off the edge. Watt had 63 tackles with 15.5 tackles for a loss, 11.5 sacks, four passes batted, and two forced fumbles in 2016. The 6-foot-5, 243-pounder could be even better as he gains experience. T.J. Watt is the younger brother of the Texans' J.J. Watt and the Chargers' Derek Watt.

94. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State

The Chiefs could use a young linebacker to pair with and eventually take over for Derrick Johnson.

In 2016, McMillan was solid for Ohio State with 201 tackles, seven for a loss, two sacks, four passes broken up and two forced fumbles. The 6-foot-2, 240-pounder played well in 2015, totaling 119 tackles with 1.5 sacks and four passes broken up on the year. As a freshman in 2014, he played a lot for Ohio State and totaled 54 tackles with 2.5 sacks and a pick-six.

McMillan is a tough defender who has the skill set to be a three-down starter in the NFL. However right now, he struggles in pass coverage and needs to improve his ability to drop into coverage. McMillan is a physical, tough run defender at the point of attack.

RunKC 01-13-2017 11:28 AM

There's a big value at CB and OLB in the late first round. Those are 2 of the 5 most important positions on the field and we've had issues there with depth this year.

Imagine loading up there? I'm just sayin

Titty Meat 01-17-2017 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12679372)
The "other" writer at WF.com put up his mock draft. Only 3 rounds.

30. Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan

The Chiefs grab a third receiver to team with Jeremy Maclin and Tyreek Hill.

As a senior, Davis amassed 97 receptions for 1,500 yards and 19 touchdowns. Sources say the 6-foot-3, 205-pound Davis is long and athletic. He has impressed evaluators with good route-running, hands and deceptive speed. They like his run-after-the-catch skills and size.

Davis was banged up somewhat in 2015, but still produced, totaling 90 receptions for 1,436 yards with 12 touchdowns. In 2014, Davis was excellent with 78 catches for 1,408 yards and 15 touchdowns. He had quality production as a freshman as well (67-941-6).

62. T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin

The Chiefs could use a young understudy behind Tamba Hali.

Watt was one of the breakout players of the 2016 season. He is good at setting the edge in run defense and also is a terror in the pass rush off the edge. Watt had 63 tackles with 15.5 tackles for a loss, 11.5 sacks, four passes batted, and two forced fumbles in 2016. The 6-foot-5, 243-pounder could be even better as he gains experience. T.J. Watt is the younger brother of the Texans' J.J. Watt and the Chargers' Derek Watt.

94. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State

The Chiefs could use a young linebacker to pair with and eventually take over for Derrick Johnson.

In 2016, McMillan was solid for Ohio State with 201 tackles, seven for a loss, two sacks, four passes broken up and two forced fumbles. The 6-foot-2, 240-pounder played well in 2015, totaling 119 tackles with 1.5 sacks and four passes broken up on the year. As a freshman in 2014, he played a lot for Ohio State and totaled 54 tackles with 2.5 sacks and a pick-six.

McMillan is a tough defender who has the skill set to be a three-down starter in the NFL. However right now, he struggles in pass coverage and needs to improve his ability to drop into coverage. McMillan is a physical, tough run defender at the point of attack.

Cummmmmmm

DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 02:08 PM

Would love Watt and McMillan in the 2nd and 3rd.

McMillan can't truly 'take over' for Johnson but he can help this run defense significantly in our base sets.

As for the 1st rounder - nah. Not sure what direction I'd go but it wouldn't be WR. Kelce needs to get 130 targets next year. Hill needs to be around 100. Maclin around 80, Conley's earned 80 of his own. You figure the RBs are good for another 100, #2TE and FB good for about 50 between them.

We're already up to 540 targets there. I'd be fine with a developmental WR coming in to eventually replace Maclin's 80 or so targets but I don't think I'd use a first rounder on him.

A more explosive RB would be more useful to this offense than a WR would be. Ware's clearly a JAG. He takes what's blocked and nothing more. He's not a threat in the passing game and he's not a true home run hitter. If I'm looking at a skill position guy, I'd have to think long and hard about grabbing a RB.

The Franchise 01-23-2017 01:14 PM

The other writer has updated his mock again.

27. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt

The Chiefs grab a young understudy for the aging Derrick Johnson who is coming off a serious injury.

In 2016, Cunningham totaled 125 tackles with 16.5 for a loss, three passes batted and one forced fumble. The 6-foot-4, 230-pounder is a quick, instinctive linebacker who is a reliable tackler. He is a versatile player with the skill set to be a three-down starter in the NFL. There has been buzz about Cunningham in scouting circles, and teams are giving him late first-round/early second-round grades.

In 2015, Cunningham totaled 103 tackles with 16.5 tackles for a loss, 4.5 sacks, three passes batted and four forced fumbles on the year. He was only a redshirt sophomore that season and has upside to develop.

59. Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson

The Chiefs could use a young corner to form a tandem with Marcus Peters.

Tankersley recorded 47 tackles, four interceptions and 10 passes broken up in 2016. The 6-foot-1, 195-pounder has the size and coverage skills to be an first-rounder. In 2015, Tankersley was part of a tough cornerback duo for Clemson with Mackensie Alexander, showing impressive ball skills by racking up five interceptions and nine passes broken up. Tankersley also had 48 tackles.

91. DeDe Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma

The Chiefs grab another wide receiver to work off of Jeremy Maclin.

In 2016, Westbrook was a clutch receiver for Oklahoma in 2016 with 80 receptions for 1,524 yards with 17 touchdowns. The 6-foot, 175-pounder is very slight for the NFL and needs to add weight in order to hold up. He could fit as a speedy slot receiver. As a junior, Westbrook had 46 catches for 743 yards and four scores.

kccrow 01-26-2017 06:20 PM

Seems alot of pundits are picking ILB for KC.

Rob Rang and Dane Brugler went with Raekwon McMillan and Jarrad Davis respectively in their 1/25 updates.

DJ's left nut 01-27-2017 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12711117)
Seems alot of pundits are picking ILB for KC.

Rob Rang and Dane Brugler went with Raekwon McMillan and Jarrad Davis respectively in their 1/25 updates.

Pundits have been getting Dorsey wrong since he got here. They all act like he's going to reach for need.

They were doing it with WR in the Peters draft when they were sure he was going to take Cameron Ervin or Jaelen Strong. In the Ford draft they had us on Bitonio and Kouandijo. Last year it was Boyd or Alexander.

Dorsey would obviously prefer it when need meets BPA, but he's shown repeatedly that if he doesn't see a 'value' at a position when he picks in the first day or two, he's just not going to go with that position. He's very much a BPA general manager. And while that includes fit/need, those aren't his overriding concerns.

McMillan will not be the pick in the 1st round. He just won't do it. McMillan isn't a 1st round talent and it would be a massive departure from Dorsey to reach for him just because of his position. I could see Davis as the pick but there's also a chance he doesn't last that long. Personally, I still see him as being taken about 15 picks too early there but others almost certainly disagree and Dorsey could be among them.

He will not reach for need.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-27-2017 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12679372)
The "other" writer at WF.com put up his mock draft. Only 3 rounds.

30. Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan

The Chiefs grab a third receiver to team with Jeremy Maclin and Tyreek Hill.

As a senior, Davis amassed 97 receptions for 1,500 yards and 19 touchdowns. Sources say the 6-foot-3, 205-pound Davis is long and athletic. He has impressed evaluators with good route-running, hands and deceptive speed. They like his run-after-the-catch skills and size.

Davis was banged up somewhat in 2015, but still produced, totaling 90 receptions for 1,436 yards with 12 touchdowns. In 2014, Davis was excellent with 78 catches for 1,408 yards and 15 touchdowns. He had quality production as a freshman as well (67-941-6).

62. T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin

The Chiefs could use a young understudy behind Tamba Hali.

Watt was one of the breakout players of the 2016 season. He is good at setting the edge in run defense and also is a terror in the pass rush off the edge. Watt had 63 tackles with 15.5 tackles for a loss, 11.5 sacks, four passes batted, and two forced fumbles in 2016. The 6-foot-5, 243-pounder could be even better as he gains experience. T.J. Watt is the younger brother of the Texans' J.J. Watt and the Chargers' Derek Watt.

94. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State

The Chiefs could use a young linebacker to pair with and eventually take over for Derrick Johnson.

In 2016, McMillan was solid for Ohio State with 201 tackles, seven for a loss, two sacks, four passes broken up and two forced fumbles. The 6-foot-2, 240-pounder played well in 2015, totaling 119 tackles with 1.5 sacks and four passes broken up on the year. As a freshman in 2014, he played a lot for Ohio State and totaled 54 tackles with 2.5 sacks and a pick-six.

McMillan is a tough defender who has the skill set to be a three-down starter in the NFL. However right now, he struggles in pass coverage and needs to improve his ability to drop into coverage. McMillan is a physical, tough run defender at the point of attack.

Replace Davis with Mahomes.

The Franchise 01-27-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 12712086)
Replace Davis with Mahomes.

They have Mahomes going top 12.

DJ's left nut 01-27-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12712100)
They have Mahomes going top 12.

Yeah, I've messed with several mock sites and MANY of them have every damn QB on the board gone by 12.

If Mahomes is gone by 12, we simply don't have the ammunition to get up that high. We can start knocking on doors around 16 but getting up higher than that is talking about a 1st this year, a 1st next year, a 2nd this year and maybe even a 2nd next year. We're gutting the top half of 2 drafts to take a flyer on a guy that would've been the 5th best prospect in next year's draft class.

And I hate hate HATE that rationale - it seems that it's always 'next year's class is better' until that year gets there and suddenly it isn't anymore. But I don't think you can justify that kind of draft capital.

If we could include Smith or Foles to ease the sting and perhaps provide value to a QB needy team that doesn't love what they see in this year's prospects, that would make it tenable. But I just don't know that we can pull it off otherwise.

And that. Would. Suck.

KC_Lee 01-27-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12712244)
Yeah, I've messed with several mock sites and MANY of them have every damn QB on the board gone by 12.

If Mahomes is gone by 12, we simply don't have the ammunition to get up that high. We can start knocking on doors around 16 but getting up higher than that is talking about a 1st this year, a 1st next year, a 2nd this year and maybe even a 2nd next year. We're gutting the top half of 2 drafts to take a flyer on a guy that would've been the 5th best prospect in next year's draft class.

And I hate hate HATE that rationale - it seems that it's always 'next year's class is better' until that year gets there and suddenly it isn't anymore. But I don't think you can justify that kind of draft capital.

If we could include Smith or Foles to ease the sting and perhaps provide value to a QB needy team that doesn't love what they see in this year's prospects, that would make it tenable. But I just don't know that we can pull it off otherwise.

And that. Would. Suck.

Bucky Brooks has Watson dropping to KC in his mock, take it for what it's worth.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...on-first-round

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Deshaun Watson - QB, Clemson: Andy Reid is one of the best QB developers in the business, particularly with athletic playmakers capable of creating explosive plays with their arm or legs. Watson can sit and learn behind Alex Smith. He was a no-show at the Senior Bowl but he can make that up at the combine and his pro day. He also has the advantage of a nice title-game tape.

The Franchise 01-27-2017 12:29 PM

I just don't see Watson falling that far. If the Browns don't go QB at #1....then they're going to grab one at 12. Obviously that all changes if they sign one or trade for one.

EDIT: He also doesn't have Kizer in the 1st round at all.

kccrow 01-27-2017 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12711959)
Pundits have been getting Dorsey wrong since he got here. They all act like he's going to reach for need.

They were doing it with WR in the Peters draft when they were sure he was going to take Cameron Ervin or Jaelen Strong. In the Ford draft they had us on Bitonio and Kouandijo. Last year it was Boyd or Alexander.

Dorsey would obviously prefer it when need meets BPA, but he's shown repeatedly that if he doesn't see a 'value' at a position when he picks in the first day or two, he's just not going to go with that position. He's very much a BPA general manager. And while that includes fit/need, those aren't his overriding concerns.

McMillan will not be the pick in the 1st round. He just won't do it. McMillan isn't a 1st round talent and it would be a massive departure from Dorsey to reach for him just because of his position. I could see Davis as the pick but there's also a chance he doesn't last that long. Personally, I still see him as being taken about 15 picks too early there but others almost certainly disagree and Dorsey could be among them.

He will not reach for need.


I do agree that Dorsey will be very selective at ILB, especially if he looks at it in round 1.

I'm not putting Davis in round 1 either. He's a rangy player, but he's never really had to take on blocks in college. You don't even know if he can hold up against NFL rushing attacks. That said, the bigger concern is really his ability to stay healthy.

I like Davis' teammate, Anzalone, as a guy that can shed blocks and be a run stopper. Similarly, injury issues. Might be a good 3rd round type that can be the WILB.

At this point I think that Foster and Cunningham are the only ILB prospects that go round 1.

RunKC 01-27-2017 01:48 PM

If all the QB's are gone in the first round, I think you look at the best pass rusher on the board.

Charles Harris, Caleb Brantley, Ryan Anderson, Montravious Adams, Jordan Willis, etc

If you can't find a QB, pass rush is he next important piece and we all know it was a problem last year.

Then you have to scout the field and see if Nathan Peterman, Jerod Evans, Davis Webb etc would even be worth taking in rd 2.

DJ's left nut 01-27-2017 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12712450)
At this point I think that Foster and Cunningham are the only ILB prospects that go round 1.

Agreed. Foster and Cunningham are the only guys that I personally would be happy to take in RD1.

I just think Davis's athleticism and likely combine performance will turn some heads and get some team reaching for him a bit.


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