Let's talk about the Saints.
 

What?

It's midweek and we don't have a Saints thread?

I pretty much have no idea what to expect in this game. The Saints are a pretty terrible team everywhere. They have one good passrusher and the rest of their defense is utter garbage. Their offensive line can't open holes and Mark Ingram is JAG.

But, of course, they have the one thing we're vulnerable to: an elite, Hall of Fame quarterback.

Brees can light Arrowhead the **** up. We currently have no CBs on this team that can guard Brandin Cooks, a sharp route-running speedster that our corners match up horribly against.

Fortunately, they have no other receivers that are serious weapons, but it doesn't matter with Brees. He gets the ball out in a hurry, and roughly 100% of his passes are on target. Brees has seen every coverage, and every blitz.

We're probably rolling with another Hali/Ford/Zombo matchup on the edges and that's not going to be enough to get to him.

What do you guys know about the Saints?

Brees already has 1700 yards passing, 14 TDs to 4 INTs.

They have a good wr core and a decent TE.

It's gona be a good test for our pass d.

They're the Raiders with a shittier offensive line and defense but better QB.

Cooks will be a problem. None of our guys have the speed to match him. I hope the safeties are on point for this game..

special assign DJ to assassinate Cooks.

In Brees' last 9 road games he's thrown 12 TDs to 9 INTs.

KC should dominate the LOS on both sides of the ball. NO will have no answer to Spencer Ware/Charles. We will have the advantage on the outside.

As long as they dedicate resources to slowing down Brees and we get a couple turnovers, this ones not even going to be close.

This is going to be a test for this defense. Snead, Cooks and Thomas are a great group of WRs.

Should be one of those games where we run the ball 40 times and use play action heavily, which means Reid will probably try and outsmart them with 14 screens in the first half alone.

Ah, that's right.

He's the tits at home and meh on the road.

Takes me back to the 90's, those heady days when the only way to stop the Houston Oiler Run and Shoot O was to run, run, and run some more.

Just pound the crap out of that porous D, hit a few play action passes to Kelce & Maclin and call it a win.

I want to see a 300 yard rushing performance on Sunday. Dominate the game and slow it down and minimize Brees's possessions.

Put Nelson on Cooks. He should be used to going up against him. :)

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Damn glad we're playing them at Arrowhead, the grass should slow them down a bit... and its hopefully a gusty day as well to help take some of the accuracy/mustard off Brees throws

The offensive plan should be dirt simple... beat them to death with Ware, scorch them with Charles

This.

I wouldnt say the Saints have a shittier defense than the Raiders. The Raiders defense is probably the worst in the NFL. At least to this point it has been.

Should be a good game to break out some reverses, screens, dumpoffs and try to control the time of possession with "Slice and Dice's" deadly short passing game.

If we can do that, its an easy win.

Big key is going to be interior pass rush pushing breez back. He doesnt like moving laterally in the pocket, always steps up. Could be a big game for Jones. Loves to throw fleener down the seam in the redzone.

Jamaal may still have the vision he used to and it's always been his balance that's made him so good in traffic.

But man, that speed....it's easy to forget that he used to have that. He's lost that extra gear that allowed him to do stuff like simply outrun a perfect pursuit angle. He's by no means slow but he used to be friggen lightening.

Its gonna be a shot out for sure..

Were gonna have to score in the 30's if not 40's to win this game...

Its time for Big Buffet and Slice and Dice to carve up the Saints defense like a Thanksgiving turkey...

Should be a great game to watch!

Some times A gap blitzes could work nicely

That 2010 season was something to watch, as was 2013. He was awesome.

It's kind of quiet, but as of right now, Ware is on pace for a 2k all purpose season.

I'm surprised you didn't mention this but toward the end of the game last week didn't they have Ford/Hali/Nicholas on the field at the same time or am I imagining things? Anyway when Nicholas was in there he really brought added pressure. They'll be fine with Peters/Parker.

Wow that would be devastating for them if they didn't have some of those guys.

I agree with this. At least the idea of controlling the tempo of the game.

If anyone knows how to engineer a 45-play, 84-yard possession that swallows up an entire quarter and ends with a 17-yard field goal, it's the Kansas City Chiefs.

Definitely will test the secondary. Past few games I've seen of them they go for chunks. Single man high defense better be ready

His footwork is nut busting

Saints average 501 y/g in the dome, 281 y/g on the road. Saints have only held one opponent to less than 34 points; the Giants scored 16 when the Saints forced 3 TOs. Falcons scored 45 in the dome with a balanced attack and no turnovers. Home field and a good run/pass balance should favor the Chiefs.

are you certain he's lost that speed though?

That speed? That he showed in that gif? Yeah; 2 blown out knees and 5 years, that kind of speed is gone. That's world class track speed and I'm sorry but simple age would've taken that away, let alone the injuries.

He's still faster than most but he's not the burner he used to be. If he gets that corner today, I suspect that's about a 45-50 yard gain before the pursuit angle gets him knocked out of bounds.

alright - well Mr. West is very fast but simply can't seem to find enough space.

He hits that hole and it's like someone hit the fast forward button.

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The only team that the Saints have played this season that has any semblance of a defense was the Giants.

The Saints scored 13 points that game.

Indeed they do. I'd like to see them generate some pressure with only 4. There were a few nickel packages they used vs OAK that had Jones, Howard, Poe and Hali rushing, and did fairly well. In their base nickel, its usually Bailey playing a 3-tech, Poe on a 1, and hali/Ford edge. I think Jones is a big improvement there from a pass rush standpoint.

He decided he was going to run a 10 second 100m dash after he had already just ran 30 yards. He seriously looked like he started an Olympic sprint halfway through that damn run.

While we havent seen it proven out yet, you're most likely right... age and injury will rob the best of them of their 5th gear

The good news is that his 4th gear is probably still faster than 90% of the leagues backs, and that vision and balance was on display yet again last week... paired with Ware, thats still a vicious thunder and lightning combo

Between those two, West and our wunderkind practice squad'r Reaves... we have an embarrassment of riches at RB

Brees put up 52 in my money league last week.

Ill settle for 28 and a KC win.

Honestly, it makes me a little scared that they have such a great passing attack, and we are weak at everything other than CB1.

Different team away from the dome

Mark my words:

Chris Jones is going to make his presence known against Brees.

I'm not going to be surprised when he gets 2 sacks, bats 2-3 passes and makes a couple stops behind the line in the run game.

First start.

In front of the home crowd.

Lots of opportunities to get to Brees.

Shit, I meant to say DELAYED A gap blitzes. Since you mentioned Brees like to climb the pocket, those could be killer, IMO. If the coverage on the back end is tight for 2-3 seconds we could send an ILB right into Brees' lap just as he steps up to make a throw.

Yeah, DJ's right about this one. That speed was otherworldly and it's definitely gone now. He really isn't all that fast anymore. He's certainly faster than most but his speed is just plus now- nothing more, IMO.

If you're needing a reminder just go back and watch highlights vids of his from 2009 and 2010. He made lightning look slow back then.

LOL Wow.

I mean, we'll give up a ton of yards because Sutton won't want to get beat deep, but that disparity in road/home performance is astoundingly horrid.

20 carries for Ware, 15 for Charles and a couple read-options for Smith. Not even bullshitting. Their defense is like tissue.

bringing a delayed might work well. breez loves the 5-7 step game off the run fake to hold the line. I also agree with BossChief that Jones will have a huge impact this game.

This won't happen

And that O line is not good.

We should use the same game plan we did last week - pound the rock and find ways to get our speed on the field for short completions.

If Gaines is out this week I'd prefer more blitzing though. Brees is a much smarter QB than Carr...

I could see 1 batted pass, perhaps two. His wingspan is freakish.

1 sack at the most. Brees gets rid of the ball.

So far 4-1 picking Chiefs games this year...

I'll go Chiefs 34, Saints 17.

They just can't hang up front on either side of the ball. Offense isn't the same for them on the road. Ware, Charles and West might run for 200 yards.

Peters intercepts a pass.

Chiefs have longest active home winning streak. Saints give up the most points in the league.

Hope that adds up for us

We'll have a harder time with the Saints than we did Oakland. They've got a more experienced QB, more playmakers, and he's not new to the Arrowhead noise.

It won't be easy, but it should be a W...

Brees has the ability to make you pay, but if the protection in front of him keeps him on his toes- even if it doesn't end up being a sack, I like their chances to force a couple of turnovers that could decide the game in the Chiefs favor.

I'm still a bit surprised by the size of the spread.

It's a completely winnable game with the caveat that if they aren't focused on and still patting themselves on the back for the Oakland game, the Saints are more than capable of turning it into a trap game and coming away with a W.

I'm interested in seeing how they respond and if they are going to come out and take care of business and show the discipline necessary to elevate their play and build on last season's playoff success.

I really want to see kc come out focused to run the ball again. I don't want to see Alex chucking it all game and and abandoning the run. Don't get cute Andy.

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Smith while he isn't a gunslinger, can still push it deep. He showed that in a windy rainstorm in Oakland.

lol at the guy who says the Saints will 'be able to move the ball at will'.

Not in Arrowhead, son.

Thanks!

I love the transitive logic of one of the posts there:

If Atlanta can win at Denver, we can win in KC.


wut???

there's a 41 year old guy from Minnesota with project pat as his avatar...

Uh well see about that. Philip Rivers was week 1. This defense can be gotten that's for sure

I suspect we'll see some "reduce" fronts this weekend from KC and QQH.


I'm watching some NO games Sat to get caught up.

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don't seem to get too in-depth regarding football. Is there perhaps a more knowledgeable Saints forum you could link us to?

You know the answer.

I needed a bye fill in so I started both Charles and Ware last week and that worked out fine. I'm thinking I will do it again.

I KNOW!!! I understood EVERYthing!!!

Banker D could shut down Cooks

Man, what if Peters breaks the single-season INT record..

He's on pace to do so. I've never seen a DB with his ball skills this early on, if ever.

I wish the game was on right now!

And one that has such good hands.

I miss Romeo Crennel.

(said nobody ever)

I was at that game. If he didn't have to come out for breathers he would have smashed the single game rushing record. He was unstoppable that game.

I just want Ron Parker over top of Cooks all game.

This dline needs to help out again and force pressure on Brees. Ford needs to generate pressure and build off last week.

When we get to the goaline just man up and slam it home don't get ****ing cute. I don't want this to be our Bears game last season.

This. Brees is my FFL QB. He does great at home and road weeks he's meh. Still, if our CBs get toasted all day it will be a very long day.

I do like the fact that their D is soft. We do well when Smith doesn't have DL in his face all day.

Pretty funny thread they have over there. Their defense would be better without injuries. Really? Good thing Houston, Mauga, March and Bailey don't really impact our defense much. Also, the play-calling from the OAK game is going to be their identity going forward. Much more running and play-action from heavy sets. They finally started using sherman a lot more as a lead blocker/h-back type.

Shootout? I doubt that. Care to give a score prediction?

Dude on their site said they'll "probably score at least 35 points"

Brees has to be excited to be playing against our secondary. He might end up breaking the record for yards and TD's in a game.

Chiefs are going to have to keep the Saints D. out on the field and finish drives with TD's and not FG's from the Brazilian Midget to stay in this one.

They did the same thing and referenced this thread. Be aware folks, they're watching!

Don't forget Gaines. He's probably only played half the snaps this year.