Why are Maclin and Kelce not producing?
 

They both appear to be having down years so far. What gives?

Disgust.....

Alex Smith

Edit: am I doing it right?

They make the plays when counted on to do so.

Three words:

Andy Reid

Smith is worse and games that we have a 10 point lead in Andy thinks it's time to stop scoring td's.

Basically Smith and Andy think scoring is not important.

Tyreek Hill, Demetrius Harris and Chris Conley are getting more targets.

they're never going to produce big numbers with this play calling. There are only so many opportunities to get them the ball. half the time andy calls a pass play behind the line. And Alex spreads the ball around as much as he can when regular pass plays are called. We also run one of the slowest paced offenses in the league so we don't run as many plays as other teams do.

Why are Maclin and Kelce not producing?
 

Look at the QB.. WRs and TEs will generally underperform statistically with this guy.

Just hope they make big plays with their 3-4 targets per game.

I have some ideas why , but if they were on the Saints or say the Patriots they would be going off!

They've produced in previous years here though.

But they do need more targets, that much is for sure. They've only thrown it 48 times the past 2 games, so not many guys are getting chances.

It starts with an A and ends with "lex Smith"

nb4 "waaaah fantasy football ruins everything"

Alex has a bit to do with it, but it's Andy Reid's offense more so. Conley and Hill getting more targets also.

1,000 yard receivers were a rarity in Philly under Reid

Why are Maclin and Kelce not producing?
 

Never to their full potential.

We've already seen what Maclin can do. He's yet to have that type of production here.

There's no difference between Kelce and Jordan Reed/Greg Olsen but those guy's numbers shit on his. Why? We all know.

3,200 yards and 18 TDs a season. 5-6 of those TDs will go to the backs. Another 1-2 to the back up TEs. Not much to go around.

What doesn't make sense is how much Andy Reid loves him passing. He wants to pass on first and ten pass on 2nd and 2 pass on third and one. Pass pass pass field goal.

Al has thrown them both quite a few hidden touchdowns. Are you guys even watching the games?

They've been spreading the ball around a lot. I think they had catches by 9 different receivers last week. This is a good thing. It means we have a lot of weapons, and it keeps Ds on their toes. All of you complaining the last few years that we only had one good receiver should be happy. But of course you aren't.

McNabb had 2 seasons over 3,500 yards. A 3,800 and 3,900 yarders. Like I said.. it's on Reid more so than Smith. But individual stats aren't a big deal as long as we are producing points

Right.

Lots of weapons but not lots of yards or points.

.. Hmm..

Wonder why..

Because we drafted DJ over Aaron Rogers. Seriously, you suck as thread starter, like DeBerg did as a QB.

4-2.

Thank goodness we have Ware and an opportunistic defense.

Can't bother Maclin that much. He knew what he was getting himself into

In 2004 and 2008 when McNabb did that, that was good for 8th and 7th in the league.

We all know Smith will NEVER crack the top 10.

Was Alex Smith just compared to McNabb? :|

Alex and Andy combination along with the line early on getting beat up for a few games. Now they got continuity and playing better. It's up to Andy to start opening up the deeper passes more and less of bubble screens. I mean, everyone knows what DAT does since he doesn't run deep routes and get the ball. Also need to see a lot less of Harris and Wilson targets and a lot more of Kelce and Maclin.


Maclin also had a good friend die, so I'm sure that has an impact on his play as well at least early on.

Yes. In fact I did compare their yard totals in Andy Reid's offense

He did a good job spreading the ball around in 2013 and 2014 too.

That's never been his problem. His problem is that a dynamic TE like Travis Kelce with his ability to make the tough catches isn't getting the damn ball. This is the same TE who has the nickname "mini-Gronk" due to his ability to run after the catch and maul tacklers.

One would think a TE like that would be every QB's best friend. So why isn't Alex throwing to him?

That's....not a good comparison.

From looking at their stats they're not really off their pace. I think it feels like they are not producing because we as fans thought we might get more out of them again this year.

Their potential is being limited and thus the offense struggles.

I'd like to see some statistics on average field position to start drives this season as opposed to the previous three.

Our offense is generally bottom third in yards per game but top 12 in scoring. I think that had a lot to do with the defense giving the offense short fields more often than not.

This season our defense has taken a step back and i think that might be having an effect on our offense's ability to generate points.

They would both catch more passes if they ran sideways behind the line of scrimmage.

Does our record not read at 4-2?

I can understand the disgruntled reaction regarding players not getting their stats, but really?

Kelce and Maclin are making the best of a shit situation with noodles throwing the ball...

Yeah STs and field position are huge. Besides that I don't think our offense has had it's best games yet this year so the stats might change. I'd like to see our offense jell later then sooner with a healthy group in late December and then January.

We have to get there first but this season is all about being healthy for the postseason.

That said, I still believe big koolaid could weather us through a playoff storm if the defense carries us

thinking it's play calling

Who cares. Control the ball a bit more, continue not to turn it over
Keep winning

Alex is on pace for 4,029 yards :)

Kelce should be a top 5 TE. Maclin should be a top 10 WR. But their QB is dickless.

Maclin isn't a top 10 WR.

Because of the piece of shit throwing them the ball.

I disagree. If you have legitimate playmakers like Maclin, Kelce, Ware, etc. I would rather them get the vast majority of the opportunities rather than a limited player/athlete who is going to do minimal damage with the opportunity given to him. That doesn't mean force feed the ball to guys but it does mean to give your best players as many chances as possible to get the ball in their hands.

He was before he came to KC.

Exactly. This has been my pet peeve all season. Yes, we have added weapons to this offense, which is great. Now that we have multiple threats, that should allow Maclin and Kelce more 1 on 1 opportunities. In addition, when the game is on the line, you have to look at those 2 and Ware to make plays.

Example : the late 3rd down against the Saints that Harris dropped. He was open and it was a good pass. However, on 3rd down in the 4th quarter with the game on the line, I'm going to one of my main guys.

Remember 2014 when Alex went an entire season without throwing a TD to a WR?

It's still early...but maclin has lost some separation and I have no idea why they aren't throwing to Kelce 10 times a game.

Do people even watch the games here?

Ware is clearly the best offensive talent thru 6 games this season and since the SD game has made it well known he's an effective ALL purpose back who is getting 19 yards per reception. Unbelievable. This is much more than check downs, we are talking about a RB who will go 10-20 yards downfield and catch balls in traffic.

Kelce and Harris are out on the field blocking a whole lot more than usual helping Ware get > 5 yards per carry. Conley is getting double the looks from a year ago and catching 66% of his targets as mainly a possession receiver. Hill is taking away looks (although mostly albert's) and is pulling in over 80% of his targets from Smith.

The OP is making an implication that our offense is suffering, if anything we are going to be better as an entire unit as time goes on. Kelce is not getting high volume at this time but he's connected on 27 catches off of 35 targets good for 77% completion (zero fumbles for that matter too, nice work kelce). Thru 6 games, Maclin had 2 games where he dropped some easy passes otherwise he'd easily be sitting at 400 yards on the season and on track for another 1000 yard season.

Also it looks like Reid wants to take those 5-6 runs Alex used to take and turn those into targets for someone now that Schwartz has shored up the right side.

Prediction: Smith will be a ~70% completion with >100 Quarterback rating by week 10.
7 out of his last 10 games are in his favor in terms of pass defense.

He definitely looks slower this year. Makes you wonder if that knee is the problem..

2016: Smith 238 yards/game passing
2015: Smith 203 yards/game passing + 30 yards/game rushing

Maclin isn't really a prolific receiver. His only significant year was in a pass heavy Chip Kelly offense. I don't expect him to be anyting more than a 1,000 yard receiver like last season.

Andy Reid + Alex Smith aka Beavis and Butthead

I have Maclin and Kelce on my FFL..(and Charles). REALLY pissing me off Kelce isn't producing. Really he needs to be the #1 receiving option on this team. Alex Smith just isn't getting him the ball. I'm not pissed about Charles, he fell to the 3rd rd in my league's draft and I knew he wouldn't really start producing til about halfway into the season, but both Maclin and Kelce haven't been doing jack shit, and especially Kelce...Him having only 2 receptions last game is just outright inexcusable. We were very fortunate and lucky to have won the Saints game because Alex Smith didn't do ****ing jack shit the 2nd half of that game. Offense completely sputtered all 2nd half as they managed to score only 2 FG's against one the NFL's worst defenses (at home), all while allowing Drew Brees to claw his way back into the game. I mean who knows what the outcome of that game would have been had the Saints DL not committed that stupid personal foul penalty at a crucial point in the game.

I have a QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-TE-FLX roster format, so I drafted very RB heavy. I hit the jackpot this yr w/ RBs (10-team league). In addition to Charles, I have McCoy, Blount, Gordon, and just picked up Jonathan Stewart off of waivers. I don't really need Charles but I can't use him as trade bait until he starts playing so he's just sitting on my bench while McCoy, Blount, Gordon carry my team.

Maclin has battled injuries throughout his career in Phily, he's only played an entire season twice in his career.

1) No he doesn't. He needs 6-7 looks a game and needs to be a blocker on half of his snaps. Doesn't get enough credit for his run blocking.

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...2-c2c799dac14b

2) No one gives a **** about your fantasy team. :)

Does anyone here have one inkling that defenses may be focusing on them? What a bunch of dumbasses. Yeah it's a little tougher for them this year.

But hey.. Aint nothing but a thang..

Remember in 2012, the last year Alex Smith wasn't here, when we went 2-14 and our offense was ranked dead last in passing yds and ppg (13.2)?

Who cares if Maclin and Kelce are not producing big numbers as long as we are winning?

Andy Reid likes QBs to spread the ball around. His offenses are not the type to be big on WR or TE stats.

Our offense has been pretty efficient the past couple of weeks. As long as that continues we will be fine. We have Ware, Charles, and a good defense. We don't need Alex to put up crazy stats. We need him to keep the chains moving and not throw INTs.

We have more targets and aren't throwing a ton more. Last season watching the games it felt like Maclin was getting targeted so much. Felt like Cassel to Bowe level.

You guys may as well accept that this is all the offense is going to be. A veteran qb playing for a veteran offensive minded head coach in their 4th year together. Nothing is going to suddenly click. There aren't pages of plays held back for the playoffs. Reid isn't going to suddenly become a run first coach. This is the apex of this shit offense.

The only chance this team has to truly improve this season is from young defensive players improving and the return of Houston. If something is going to push this team to the next level, it's going to have to be the defense because the offense with Reid and Smith has peaked.

Kelce should be the target inside the 10 on passing downs.

Just throw him the ball.

Alex Smith and Andy Reid.

I believe Carr targeted Kelce more in the pro bowl then Smith has all year. Michael Irvin said he was unstoppable. Well we found kelces kryptonite. Smith

No 'secret playbook' as foretold by the swami's of CP?

Surely you jest, sah!

7th in W-L record.

Everything is fine. I'm so excited for that 7th place superbowl trophy.

Because the season ended already?

You stat whores fail to realize that those of us who don't play fantasy football don't give a **** about your constant bitching about stats.

You're smarter than that. You know this teams chances would be better if the offense wasn't bottom 5 in the league.

Focusing on them? What a load of bullshit. Every week stud players make plays over an over again for their teams but not ours. Our guys are getting focused on by our opponent.

Other QB's seem to find their studs when they want. It's real simple, Alex throws the ball to the RB to much. End of story.

That is kinda the staple of the WCO....

Big Buffets history proves that he loves to extend the running game with high percentage control short passess to backs, etc...

Hill-17 targets
Wilson-18 targets
Conley-29 targets
Harris-13 targets

That's your difference. Conley is already only 2 targets behind his total of 31 last year. Harris already has more than last year and Hill already has about as many targets as our 4th WR last year(DAT).

Fantasy football is ruining the ability for people to focus on what is important to the game.

The offense is 19th in the league in yardage/gm. A whopping 2.0 more yards a game and they'd be 15th. It's nothing great but we've got Alex Smith as our QB

Quoted for truth.

At this point we have to cross our fingers and hope that Justin Houston takes this unit from mediocre to top 5.

I think Bob "buttons" Sutton has the ability to make in game and halftime adjustments to continue to stump and confuse QB's.

Regardless of Houston, Buttons has the coaching ability to take this Defense into the top 5 and make it reliable enough to win a superbowl.

Expect to be banned, asshole.

Exactly. I have no problem with people playing fantasy football but when I am trying to watch the game and focus on Chiefs winning it gets annoying hearing people constantly complain about a certain player not getting enough catches or yards.

They act like if they win their ff league they are going to be able to retire. My goodness just watch the game and try to enjoy it. What's most important is whether the Chiefs win or lose not whether Maclin or Kelce get a lot of yards.

Exactly right. We can see that Ware and Conley are getting their targets in the pass game. Hill is becoming more of a factor. KC spreads the ball around, like usual. I dgaf who gets the most attention, so long as it all is leading to wins.

6-7 a game? **** off.

Kelce should be north of 10 targets every game until defenses decide to shut him down.

Offensive production is down across the board.

We are 4-2 instead of 2-4 because:

1. We pulled a comeback for the ages out of our ass.

2. The Saints turned the ball over twice and committed a really dumb game-ending penalty.

This team's playoff fortunes don't look good. They're in third place in the division and the Broncos and Raiders are both improved.

They can't stop the pass or the run, the passing game is mediocre at best, and they lost to the one team that made them look good a year ago: Houston.

This team is more of a paper tiger than the 95, 97 or 2006 Chiefs ever were, and no one outside of Kansas City even thinks they're a tiger. You would think this is one of the top teams in the AFC the way people talk here. They're probably going to lose to the Colts this weekend.