Charles out for Colts game
 

per Eisen show

we'll be fine.

Cross thread humor

Didn't JC blow a knee the last time we were in Indy? Better safe than sorry.

^^ - not a drama queen. ;)

Andy Reid might as well come out and say "we don't feel we need Jamaal for us to beat Indy. We don't think they will have an answer for Ware and West is a quality change of pace guy.

If this was thought of as a game that's gonna be close, Charles would be suiting up."

That was Detroit.

Concussion

Least of my concerns.

I stand corrected, thank you gents. Got my JC dome injuries confused.

Rest him for divisional games

Do they even give a reason?

Meh.

Or he's just not 100% ready and we have no reason to rush him right now.

One of the sportswriters I follow on Twitter recently said that the public has become numb to the fact that these guys have their bodies ripped open, have ligaments replaced or repaired and go through months, if not years, of recovery and rehab.

Yet the fans are at the point where they expect their favorite athlete to return quickly and play as if nothing happened. Sadly, this isn't always the case.

As I've mentioned several times, HGH testing has slowed recoveries to nearly a standstill. Charles is more than one year removed from his surgery yet he's clearly not 100% and at age 29, he most likely won't ever be the same player he was before this particular surgery. Fortunately, the Chiefs have players in Ware and West that take the sting out the loss of Charles.

Hopefully, Houston's recovery is without any speed bumps but considering that Phillip Gaines (age 25) is also having difficulty with his surgically repaired knee, it'll be surprising if he's able to step in and have the same kind of impact as he had in 2014 and 2015.

You can't really go wrong, though, thinking SOMETHING shitty happened in Indy.

I'm not sure what to make of it really. Seems like a "we have guys that can play, so no reason to run him back out there" kind of thing to me.

Hopefully atleast I guess.

Considering he's had swelling in his surgically repaired knee while only taking a handful of snaps this season (along with being held out of practice this week), it appears to me as if it's much more serious than "not rushing him back into action".

Well, he was limited in practice so they atleast had him out there.

Swelling in a knee thats been repaired like that is pretty normal IIRC, just depends on where the swelling is coming from.

Something isn't right though or they'd have him out there.

I really think the turf is the deciding factor here; Swelling is normal, but why take a chance here. If he doesn't practice next week, or play next week then i would start to be concerned.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last year in the NFL.

So, done in KC? ;)

Which means we should be riding the hell out of him not saving him for the future.

If he's not ready to play.....you don't just ****ing put him out there and give him 30 carries a game. That's ****ing stupid and you'd end up with some pretty pissed off players.

CP Logic:

Hali - Swelling of the knees: He sucks and looks old, get him out of there.

Charles - Swelling of the knee: Ride him like a horse.

If he plants wrong on that turf he's destroyed everything he's gained back so far. It's is simple as that. Save him for the end of the year r 8 game win streak.

Edit: And we're not winning this game anyway. We never win in that shit hole.

Ware is better anyways.

Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play again this season.

I wouldn't either.

I've expressed the desire to have him retire in KC so that would be awesome from a fan perspective. He's made a pretty good living in the NFL and, with a wife who lost a cousin to possible effects of CTE (as well as a friend for him), I wouldn't be surprised if his wife pushes him to retire.

Possiblly saving him for a Trade on Monday?

Who would trade for a running back that's clearly not healthy and may not be 100% this season, along with taking on the remainder of his $5.3 million dollar cap number?

I agree I've just heard this one floating around.

You would get nothing back for him even if the was a team wanting to take the gamble.

May have already played his last game with the Chiefs. It was a good run. $7 mil to keep next year, $0 to cut him.

The Chiefs would get cap space, which they could roll into next year, so I'm pretty sure that even if a team offered a Conditional 2019 7th round pick, they'd take it.

No team would make that trade and I seriously doubt that he could pass a physical.

Which is my point.

The Chiefs aren't just keeping Charles out of the game 'because we don't need him to beat the lowly colts' or that 'ware is better anyway'

This is probably Charles' last year as a Chiefs and the team would be riding him hard if he was even close to being ready. He's not and the team probably thinks he could even injure himself more if he plays.

Dude's hardly a Chief anymore.

Development of conley and hill this season make the loss of Charles that less painful

As a person who has had ACL surgery on both knees I can tell you that one can take longer to feel "right" than the other..... My right knee went well and I was back to playing basketball with no pain in a year... My left one will never be the same and it has retired me to golf... too much meniscus damage when the injury occurred...too much pain... I rehabbed just as hard with the second one but it just wouldn't come back to where I was comfortable to play sports.... With that being said JC is a world class athlete and I am not ...so I guess anything is possible with him...

My reaction to this is the same one Judy had on The IT Crowd when she thought Roy had died. If you don't get this reference then **** off!

How will we ever get by without his contribution?


:eek:


ROFL ... RELAX... I'm just kidding. I have been no great fan of Charc West so far this year, so no, not happy to have him as RB2 instead of JC. As said, probably best that JC avoids that Indy turf if not 100%.

No point in playing him on that shit field

I think coaches know we got the firepower to get to the post season without Houston and Charles. Let's have them ready for the playoffs , especially houston.

Houston also officially out.

I suspect that Ware is now the #1 back and has been for awhile. Embrace it folks.

The transition began last year. Its time to embrace Ware 100%

As painful as it is to say. There's no reason it shouldn't be.
I love JC but at his age and with his injury history Spencer Ware and his 5.2ypc have all but made him expendable.

The best thing that could happen, is JC displaying his all world talent, with the few gallons of rocket fuel he still has in the tank, late this season, so that we can unload him for some valuable picks.

or if not as valuable the picks as hoped for.. JC elects to restructure his deal to become a rotational back for KC. Obviously HUGE upgrade over West.. greatly prolongs JC's time in the NFL.. gives KC a tremendous RB2 that can easily be a great RB1 if Ware ever misses any time.

Not sure if JC has that kind of ego or mindset.. but he might, if the market isn't as eager as he may hope.

Any chiefs fan knows all about his ego and mindset on contracts in his career.

LMAO Yep. Any legit Chiefs fan.

Im not even only trying to be an asshole this time, it's just the truth.

that's fine. I don't pretend to know what's in JC's head since his public emergence.

( was still an asshole-ish way to go about that, when you could have just explained what you believe is his mindset.. or said nothing at all.. but no hard feelings. I have come to expect and accept the CP way )

I for one think it sucks. JC is explosive and on the field is where we should want him. All this we don't need him talk is crazy. We do need him since our offense is in the bottom of the league as usual.

We've scored 13 more points than we've allowed.

Hardly a juggernaut

I need to check again but Ware actually has a 5.6 YPC average career while Charles has a 5.5.

We've been RB fortunate ever since Priest Holmes.

Spencer Ware is on track for 1,300+ yards rushing and 700+ yards receiving.

His numbers might be even higher since the Chiefs face some pretty pathetic defenses in Indy, Tampa, Carolina, Oakland and Jacksonville down the stretch.

Its a painful realization, but yeah its starting to look like this is JCs last year as a Chief... and if thats the case, then lets at least get him as close to 100% as possible for the last few games of the year

Not sure how we're going to make up the production from his 1-2 carries per game.

And people seem to be forgetting West.

He's the Chiefs fastest running back and led all backs in rushing yardage in 2015. He's been dinged this season with elbow and ankle injuries but once he's healthy, he'll provide a strong option and a 1-2 punch with Ware.

Aside from the fumbles, Ware has been lights out.

Good thing they are lllllloaded lloaded.

Feed the Warebeast

Voice of reason.

YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH JAMAAL CHARLES

They're being ultra-cautious, he had a dramatic impact on a few of those minimal touches

Theres no way to prove it, but I bet those two could race right now... and JC would smoke him

Not to knock West in any way, but he isnt our fastest RB

Yes, he is.

I don't know why guys like you are living in the past but Jamaal Charles after two ACL injuries at age 29 is not the 25 year old Jamaal Charles of 2012 or the 23 year old Jamaal Charles of 2010.

He'll be 30 in December and can't run without his knee swelling. From my POV, he's lost a step, as he was caught from behind on the one long play that he's had this season.

That wouldn't have happened prior to 2014.

West ran a 4.27 for scouts in 2015.

http://rotoviz.com/2014/04/abilene-c...rty-yard-dash/

Dane always is man. Great takes.

West hasn't looked as good lately


At this point i would prefer the extra power of Reaves

more conducive to the PAP offense we are slowly developing(dragging Reid kicking and screaming the entire way, i might add)

Charles hasn't been great for a while now. Time to move on.

I havent seen Charles with enough open field so far to determine how much fastball he has lost, movement wise though... he has looked the same to me, still very agile and smooth

Gotta admit that I wasnt aware of Wests 40 time though, thats blistering... but I have to echo Laz here and say that he hasnt looked too great thus far, but I'm willing to chalk it up to him not getting enough consecutive plays to hit a groove

West's 40 was hand-timed, if I'm not mistaken, so it's basically worthless. But he probably is still faster than Jamaal at this point.

JC hasn't really been a burner since 2010. My God, he was fast as shit then, though.

Bingo, he is like having money in the bank for a rainy day. Or, division game.

Nicholson nods at Lloyd. gif

Only if he's healthy and not a shell of his former self.

As of today, it appears to the be latter.

Agree 100%
I think he is done

Personally, I happy to see the Chiefs take a cautious approach in handling Charles and his injury. Absolutely no need to rush him back, ESPECIALLY with Ware being so effective! I see little upside in going with Charles until he's totally healed. If that's not for another month or so, fine.....heck, if he's out for the rest of the year, I can only imagine that his knee simply didn't heal quick enough to be effective. (Same thing goes for Houston too.)

We need these guys back at 100%, NOT 85%. Get 'em good and healthy and then and only then, get 'em on the field. And yes, you may even need to play them to see how far back they really are (like Charles), and if it shows that they're not ready, then sit 'em back down until they're more ready.

I would hope that the Chiefs maintain this rather cautious approach to injuries.

Better safe than sorry.



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KChiefs1, I think you said it better than I did, and it only took you 4 words! LOL.

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If he seriously re-damaged that knee, it most likely happened on the play where he dug in hard on it to carry multiple faders on that play off the right side in the redzone

I clearly remember thinking to myself... "OMG, he chose this play to truly test that knee because he's torquing the hell out of it right now", it might just be that he aggravated something right there

Either way, the apparent plan to rest him until it feels good again is the right one... if he is only here for 2016, lets make sure he is able to go out swinging

An article on NFL.com claimed he had swelling in BOTH knees.

They're gonna have to take him out behind Arrowhead and shoot him

for starters, if he's injured again, it doesn't necessarily have to have happened in a game. he would be practicing thru the week too.

secondly, although not the same thing entirely. after my hand was operated on to tie back together three tendons and other stuffs, it took me five months for my hand NOT to swell even from simply walking too much. so with all the physical activity being done, it would seem to me, this swelling is natural.

true - let's just be thankful we have him - it's a large reason I took him in and fathered him!