Should we take Foles' $10 mill option this offseason?
 

So we've got him here. He appears to be a good backup. But his contract seems to indicate that Dorsey wanted to take a stab to see if he's better than Alex.

Is he worth it?

He's not better.

Not no but **** no.

It depends on what the 10mil option means. Does it mean one more season at 10 mil? I would not.

I would like to keep him as the backup, but not at $10 million. I think that is a Chiefs option if I'm mistaken. I say the Chiefs pass on the option and let him test free agency with a standing offer to return at a much more cap friendly number.

No

Nope

ROFL No

Depends....is Smith on the roster? If he is....then no. If he isn't...then yes.

Gotta see how the rest of the year pans out.

This, but maybe try and draft a future QB.

Also we have to consider Smiths health...

Theres a chance after 2 concussions already this year that if he gets hit again.... Will he come back or hang them up?


I say alot of it depends on Smiths nugget and future hits this year...

No. I'd rather draft a QB high and have him sit behind Smith for a year.

NFL films "Nick Foles misses wide-open Tyreek Hill in end zone."

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Hell NO.

NO. I'd rather see Bray get a chance.

Mama won't let him play and he will hang them up at the end of the year.

Draft another QB.



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I don't love Alex Smith by any means, but he makes that throw 100% of the time.

I don't mind Foles on the roster, but nowhere near 10m. I have read about how great he would be here, but a lot was lost in translation. He is good for what he is, Alex Smiths backup.

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The Folse-latiologist have outed themselves again as clowns

Not at 10 million unless we have a deal in hand to flip him for a decent draft pick. I'd see like to see him play some more but the early returns aren't great. It just shows Alex is the system QB he is. He and Foles are interchangeable.

I just don't think it makes a lot of financial sense to pick up the option. If Foles is a backup then making $10 mil is ridiculous. If he's the starter then Alex Smith is the backup for $17 mil or he's cut and the Chiefs get a $7 mil cap hit on top of Foles' $10 mil salary.

I think the Chiefs waive him, then re-sign him to a reasonable contract for a backup, say in the $4 million dollar range.

He's still fairly young and could learn more in KC from Reid and his staff than if he went elsewhere, in which he'd likely flamed out again.

IMO, it should be about his long term viability in the league and not money but I suppose that if some team offered him $7-8 million per (which is total speculation and completely undeserved), he'd take the money and run.

Daniel got 7

Yeah, that was pretty awful.

Exactly. Foles is not worth 10 mil but if he will take a backup's salary then it might be worth it for Andy to turn him into a solid QB.

Smith didn't sustain a concussion...let alone two. They rested him as a precaution.

And no to $10 million for Foles...I think he take much less to stay with Reid and slowly rebuild his career.

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The equation doesn't only include Alex Smith.

Is Tyler Bray 10m better than Tyler Bray?

I mean I'm not a huge Tyler Bray fan, but one thing I can say with certainty is he has the best deep ball of any Chiefs QB I've seen in person and I've been going to camp for almost 20 years.

With the raw speed we have at the skill positions, that's a huge factor.

If Hill, Wilson, Maclin, Conley, Thomas, West, etc get a step on their man, Bray has shown the ability to put those deeper passes right on the money and all of those guys have world class speed that defenders can't match. Especially with all the speed from everyone, there's a speed mismatch on every play.

Higher than the 3rd round even. Give them opportunity to play.

In theory this might be true, In reality this isnt a deep ball offense, no matter who you put back there, the statistical results are the same and the regular season wins will continue to stack up.

So no Bray doesnt offer anything different than Foles or Smith offers. IF Bray was the QB he would run the plays as Andy calls them and he will go through his check down/bubble screen progressions as he is supposed to.

**** no

No, Tyler Bray is EXACTLY as good as Tyler Bray and he should get paid teh same as Tyler Bray.

Not at 10 million

I realize that but I don't think that Foles is worth $7 million to any team.

IMO, he's in Mark Sanchez territory.

Unless Foles makes a huge a progression in Reid's offense this year (which is highly unlikely, IMO), no one is going to give Foles a starting job, let alone a "Premium" back up job.

His best bet, IMO, is continue to work with Reid as a backup QB and maybe get a chance to start somewhere in 2018 or 2019.

I just don't think there's going to be a market for Foles.

As an NFL starter, Nick Foles is not better than Alex Smith. (And Smith is a very good NFL starting level QB.) Nick Foles is perfect for this team in the role he is currently serving in.

The question is as posed in the OP - is he better than Tyler Bray in the #2 role for the 2017 season? That will probably be ruminated for the rest of the season by Dorsey and the coaching staff and equate it to the dollars required to keep him in that role and what it costs to keep Bray in the #3 position or finally move him up to the #2 (if they deem him capable of filling that role).

I personally feel that the Chiefs had serious interest in drafting Paxton Lynch in the 2016 Draft to groom for a potential QBOTF for the team. And they need to look at the 2017 QB class to seriously evaluate the position. Smith will be 33 years old when the '17 season begins, and while he hasn't shown any signs of degradation in his game, it's simply a numbers game once an NFL player hits their mid 30's.

His current contract runs through the 2018 season. Depending upon his health and Smith's own personal outlook towards the future, I could see the team giving him a two or three year deal going into the 2019 season.

However, consideringing his age and contract, I would expect the Chiefs to very seriously look at this next year's crop of QB's for a QBOTF.

Nick Foles is 27. Tyler Bray is 24. Do the Chiefs consider either to be the long term solution to the QBOTF question?

Reid's offensive system is complex and it is predicated on accuracy and timing. He also likes a somewhat mobile QB that provides a scramble/run option element to the offense. I'm not sure that either Foles or Bray gives that at a full time starter level.

Personally, I think that they were surprised that Kevin Hogan was snatched off the practice squad as they viewed him as someone that was worth considering as a potential QBOTF from a development perspective. I think that they roll the dice again, and might even move up for a guy they like as they do have quite a number of picks in the 2017 draft, which is the first draft that will allow compensatory draft picks to be traded.

However, back to the OP - no, I don't think that they resign Nick Foles for $10 million per. I think that Bray and he are very similiar type of QB's and Bray will most likely move into the #2 spot for the 2017 season. Foles was signed because Daniel signed with Philadelphia. He knew the system and it was an easy plug in for the #2 spot going into the beginning of the season. Bray will be that guy in 2017 and they will draft a potential QBOTF in the '17 Draft, which is not a great QB class, so they will really have to fall in love with a guy . They will probably even look at bringing back Hogan or even possibly Murray for insurance purposes.

I think the $10mm option was insurance for the Chiefs in case Alex went down and Foles played lights out. No way they resign him at that level but he's a decent back-up (defined as someone who can come in and win a couple games - which he has done). No way I'd trade having Berry or Poe longer term to keep a back-up QB though...

Dump Alex, give Nick his 10 mil for one season and draft a damn QB in the early rounds.

Good plan.

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Sarcasm I assume.

I agree, he hasn't shown me that he's anything more than a backup. With Bray still on the roster, paying $10M for Foles is foolish, especially when we have better uses for that money.

Depends on how long you expect Smith to keep playing. Think Foles has more upside. Prob have to let him walk but I kind of like the idea of keeping him around for another year as a QB in waiting

LMAO

I'm going to assume you watched a game from his 2013 season yesterday, not the game against the Jaguars.

I was hopeful, but no way.

Foles had some WTF throws yesterday and also some that he held too long. This was not one of them. You can't tell because of the angle but if he doesn't throw it there it is intercepted. If he were to throw it earlier to a spot so the reciever could be there then yes. But they showed a replay from the end zone camera angles at the game and the LB was just waiting for it to be thrown ahead of the reciever. Just an FYI.

:facepalm: You may possibly be the dumbest poster in the history of Chiefsplanet. And that's saying something. Even the homer Donks fans have more sense than you. I thought NutFumble was the dumbest poster ever. But you make even him look like a genius.

I doubt Foles expects $10m for the Chiefs or for any team. Turn it into a 2-3 year extension. I would think he'd take that as a 3 year deal. He's a much, much better version of chase Daniel. And he's a very important piece with Alex at 33 - he may be needed as a backup more than usual, and the Chiefs need a quick plug in if Alex shows unexpectedly declines rapidly or calls it quits. Id be willing to overpay for 2-3 years of insurance

He doesn't.

No. A wide open 8-yard pass over the middle is exactly the type of pass Alex Smith is capable of making every time.

I seriously think it's a close race between tuckedpenis and oaklandhater.

Void Foles' contract. Draft a quarterback in the first 2 rounds of next year's draft. Start Alex until it's the young buck's time. Continue to prosper.

Chip Kelly and the 49ers are bound to be desperate. They restructured Kaep's contract so that both sides will walk away next offseason.. in which they then have zero QBs on the roster.

I'd have to expect some interest in Foles there.

Hogan plays for the browns

I bet you could get that Fitzpatrick feller for only 2 million.

No one knows if Chip Kelly and the 49ers front office even survive past this season.

Secondly, why would Kelly sign a guy a he traded away, expecially when he was a failure in St. Louis and replaced by Case Keenum? But hell, if they want him, they can have him if they're going to overpay.

I'd rather have Blaine Gabbert as a back up.

WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Also hell no.

Bray is the future anyway

I know, but they seem to be focusing on Kessler right now. (Despite a pretty productive outing from Hogan last week (or was it the week before). I can see him being available at the end of the summer unless the Browns offer him a longer deal to stick around as a backup to Kessler or whatever else they decide to go with. I like his game in terms of matching Reid's offense.

I just don't see a whole lot of options in the 2017 Draft at the QB position. Kizer (Notre Dame), Trubisky (North Carolina), but that's about it. Not much to get excited about at the position in the upcoming draft. Might have to wait it out until the 2018 Draft.

Classic paragraph. Can't think of a year gone by that chiefs fan didn't drip this jewel ...

I can't think of year that Chiefs fans didn't say the classic "Maybe there will be one next year".

Don't know until you try. Having rejects from other teams hasn't worked.

The Chiefs will likely need to give up at least two first round picks, a pair of seconds and probably a third to jump up into the Top Two. That's a lot of draft capital for a player that may or may not fit Reid's scheme.

I liked Chad Kelly (Jim Kelly's nephew) as maybe a 4th or 5th round developmental guy but he tore his ACL and won't be able to participate in the All Star games after the college season is completed. He's probably a 7th rounder/UDFA next year.

This QB draft class is pretty shaky this year. No one knows if Trubisky will declare, Brad Kayaa's has been decent but he's a twig (6'4, 215) and probably needs another year of college as well.

I'm good giving up a shit ton of picks if they can get the "right" guy but I'm not so sure that guy exists this year.

Yeah, the Chiefs would have been so much better off had they not traded for Alex Smith and drafted Geno Smith #1 overall.

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You're dumb as ****.

That's not what I meant dip shit. What part of that was directed at passing on crappy Geno. We passed on Carr, Wilson and countless other good QB's over the years in favor of another teams reject.

Think before you type moron.

33 teams passed on Carr. The Chiefs had a QB and no 2nd round pick. Wilson lasted until the 3rd round because of his height.

You and the other butt****s act like choosing a QB is an exact science. There haven't been "countless" QB's the Chiefs have passed over that became HOFer's, which is basically what you and all the other morons that dissatisfied with Alex Smith, want.

Taking Sanchez or Clausen or Weeden or any number of draft choices would have meant the loss of a good player, such as Dee Ford or Eric Fisher or Mitch Morse.

Or would you rather have Garrett Grayson (cut), Brett Hundley or Sean Mannion over Marcus Peters or Morse or Conley or Steven Nelson?

THINK before you type, jackass.

Doesn't matter. We're not drafting a QB not now. Not for awhile... If ever.

Also you don't need a 1rd QB to run this offense.

Huh?

You don't need to draft a 1st Rd QB prospect to run this offense.

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SNR and the rest of the stooges can really **** up a QB thread. :facepalm:

This was mostly a thread about the underwhelming results that Foles put up on Sunday and what that means for our backup QB situation going into the offseason.

You know, an actual honest-to-goodness football thread. God forbid we have one of those. Isn't that what people on this forum are always bitching about? The lack of football threads?

Your obsession with me is really ****ing creepy.

I fully disagree, especially considering 99% of the college QB's these days play in a spread offense and have nearly zero experience under center.

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Yep its why there have been some huge bust coming out of college at QB lately.

The Chiefs FO knows they are at a point where they will need to draft and groom a QB ASAP. That's been clear since the rumors that they were going to draft Paxton Lynch last year.

IF they can find the right guy, it's the perfect time to do it. Draft someone who you can develop under Alex for the next season or so. Let said draft choice get the full grasp of the offense and then step in when the time is right.

With Carr's emergence, we are going to need someone to go head to head with him for the next decade after Smith. Of course, the Raiders are going to have to draft well in the coming years as their cheap elite talent is about to get PAID...

I'd be happy to see your evaluation of the position for the 2017 Draft.

NOPE

How many Super Bowls has Andrew Luck won so far?

How about Jimmy Clausen? (A fan favorite here at Chiefs Planet.)

You do realize that since Dorsey has been GM, they've signed and drafted a quarterback every single season/off season?

They've tried plenty.

Brought in Smith. Brought in Daniel. Brought in Foles.

Bray - signed as a rookie free agent.
Murray - drafted as a rookie.
Hogan - drafted as a rookie.

I'm really sorry that Alex Smith, who's been one of the most successful QB's in the league since joining the Chiefs has led the team that you might root for to three consecutive winning seasons, two playoff appearances and a playoff win. Must be a real bummer for you every Sunday to root for a winning team. Must really stick in your craw as you are one of the piss and moan malcontents that keep rehashing the same mantra over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad nauseum with little to say other than crying about "why can't we ever draft our own Hall of Fame Super Bowl winning QB?! (Because, you know, all the rest of the teams have three of them on their rosters.

Who do you like in the upcoming draft at the position? Who do you think that they should draft? Who best fits Dorsey's parameters and Reid's offensive scheme that will be available in the 2017 Draft? Are you going to send letters to Dorsey advocating that they select your boy? Are you going to call the scout team and tell them to really start looking at your boy?

What are you going to do that's proactive in helping the team select your future Hall of Fame, multiple Super Bowl winning QBOTF?

Or are you just going to sit around and piss and moan that they aren't doing enough to meet your expectations?

Sacc for President!

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Great post Sacc. Too bad it wasted wasted trying to talk sensible with a drooling idiot. It would be nice to see him respond with something substantive, but I just don't think he has the mental capacity for it.