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oaklandhater 11-20-2016 07:33 PM

How Alex Smith and the offense are holding back the Chiefs
 
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...116100378.html

Kansas City Chiefs head coach Andy Reid and quarterback Alex Smith explain the critical interception in the fourth quarter that turned the outcome of the game on Sunday. The Chiefs lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 19-17. David Eulitt The Kansas City Star
BY SAM MELLINGER
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After it was over, after a team that claims Super Bowl expectations lost at home to the NFL’s version of lukewarm tap water, the quarterback and head coach disagreed on who should be blamed for the day’s biggest failure.

What could’ve been another ugly Chiefs win turned into an ugly-as-vomit 19-17 loss to the mediocre Buccaneers at home on Sunday the moment quarterback Alex Smith executed a bad throw poorly, leading to an interception in the end zone when even a field goal would’ve probably been enough to win.

Exhale.

“I’ll take responsibility,” coach Andy Reid said: “Lousy call.”

A few minutes later, Smith addressed reporters.

“You can’t have it,” he said. “You can’t throw it. You have to protect the play.”

Three truths need to be said about this.

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First, Reid is right. Lousy call. Lousy call, because it was a predetermined read that relied upon Bucs safety Chris Conte falling for a play-action fake, and Conte did not fall for the play-action fake. The Bucs had consistent problems covering Travis Kelce, whose combination of agility and strength becomes more effective near the goal line, but the call Reid made meant Smith never looked that direction.

Second, Smith is right. Can’t have it. Can’t throw it, for a hundred reasons, starting with the larger truth that his value lies largely in his ability to avoid crucial mistakes. But beyond that, it was a virtually blind throw, his decision made regardless of what he saw when he looked up from the fake.

The throw was tipped at the line of scrimmage, but it’s not clear if that caused the interception. Either way, it only adds to the failure — in a situation where a field goal would’ve given the Chiefs the lead, Smith attempted a throw that wasn’t there through a passing lane that wasn’t open.

The third truth: The franchise quarterback and the coach paid more money than anyone else without a Super Bowl win each failed on Sunday, have failed for a few weeks now, and need to be better if the most promising Chiefs season in years is to end up in anything other than disappointment.

Because the Chiefs have a Super Bowl defense. They have won seven games with a wicked combination of point prevention and playmaking, using a talented, versatile and athletic group to nullify an opposing offense’s mismatches and create enough in the defense’s favor.

But at the moment, they have a lemon offense. This column could be a thousand words of nothing but specific reasons the offense is frustrating, but in the interest of respecting your time and limiting our collective masochism, let’s keep it to two.

They should be so much better than this in their fourth year together, and a disproportionate amount of the problems are in the most crucial spots.

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In the last three games, the Chiefs have had 10 red-zone possessions. One of those came after Marcus Peters’ remarkable strip that set up the winning field goal at Carolina. Of the nine in which the Chiefs were trying for a touchdown, they have six field goals, two touchdowns and a game-destroying interception.

Smith is responsible for at least three of those failures — two wide-open touchdown passes he missed at Carolina, and the interception against Tampa.

The rest are more of that murky and foul-smelling stew of football blame. Some on the quarterback, some on the play-calling, some on individual execution and some on good plays by the opponent’s defense.

One of the laments you hear around the Chiefs’ locker room is that their offense hasn’t found its identity yet, but if we’re being completely honest, the offense has developed a clear identity — they are in the league’s bottom half in points because Smith has regressed, they’ve been overmatched in the biggest moments and they haven’t gotten enough from their playmaking stars.

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Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce spoke in the team's locker room after his team's 19-17 loss to Tampa Bay on Sunday, Nov. 20, 2016.
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Reid, Smith and everyone else involved with the offense spent a lot of time last week acknowledging their shortcomings on third down. They entered the week among the league’s worst five in converting third downs. They were awful at it, again.

The defense was bad enough, giving up 11 conversions on 16 third downs, but the offense didn’t help. They converted four of eight third downs, but that’s misleading. Two of the conversions came after Smith and Reid’s self-induced knee-capping, meaning the Chiefs were two-for-six when they still had a realistic chance.

Particularly in football, and particularly after disappointments like this, the temptation for hyperbole is omnipresent. But this isn’t a bad offense. At least, it shouldn’t be. They were ninth in points scored last season, and the emergence of Tyreek Hill should be providing the deep threat they’ve always missed.

But the Chiefs are torpedoing their own best chances, often on third down.

Consider:

They averaged 6.6 yards per play against the Bucs but let drives die on third and 9, third and 2, third and 1 and third and 7.

Blaming the quarterback is always among the easiest things to do in football, and it’s probably one of the most misguided. But it fits here, with this team, at least as a primary problem.

Smith’s underperformance — compared to what he’s been in the past, and what he should be now — is the single biggest obstacle keeping the Chiefs from being what they could and should be.

Maybe it’s worth mentioning that I’ve been higher on Smith than most over his first three seasons. But so far, what should be his best season with the Chiefs is instead pacing to be his worst, by touchdowns, yards per pass, passer rating, QBR and rushing yards. All of this while being surrounded by the most talent, and protected by the best offensive line, that he’s had in Kansas City.

One theory: Smith and the coaches have not effectively adjusted to defenses taking away the quarterback scramble, which is emphasizing the truth that Smith operates with a smaller margin for error than most.

Smith did have an 11-yard scramble for a touchdown against the Bucs, but that’s the exception. If he keeps his current pace, he will finish the season with 74 yards on 37 attempts (2.0 yards per rush). A year ago, he ran for 498 yards on 84 attempts (5.9 per rush).

Without the threat of him running, windows that were already small tend to shrink, particularly on third down. A year ago, Smith ran for 30 first downs. Only Cam Newton and Russell Wilson had more. This year, he has run for three.

The worry here is only amplified by the vague head injury Smith suffered in Indianapolis. He is wearing a different helmet now, and has pledged to no longer slide feet-first to better protect himself.

Smith talked about seeing pressure up the middle when describing one of the missed throws at Carolina, and even his inner self-defense calculus has only changed slightly, it could make a significant difference. Football coaches and players are constantly talking about the thin margins that decide their sport’s winners and losers.

Maybe it’s that. Maybe it’s something else. Maybe it’s that, combined with something else. But the Chiefs are down three points per game from last year, scoring 20 or fewer in five games already after being held that low just four times all of last regular season.

The good news is that this doesn’t have to be a fatal flaw. The Chiefs can still win the AFC West, and can still work their way into a first-round bye and home playoff game. The defense has been more than good enough and only figures to improve as Justin Houston comes along.

But the offense is holding them back. It needs to be fixed, and soon. They play at Denver on Sunday night. Heck of a time to see the toughest defense on their schedule.

Sam Mellinger: 816-234-4365, @mellinger

oaklandhater 11-20-2016 07:34 PM

Called it

New World Order 11-20-2016 07:36 PM

But he sets up the punter.

oaklandhater 11-20-2016 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12567787)
But he sets up the punter.

Tiger is an idiot.

Chromatic 11-20-2016 07:40 PM

People had super bowl expectations?

kek

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 07:40 PM

When you need Mellinger or Teicher to form your own opinions on football without being able to think for yourself...

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 07:40 PM

Old news. We know SmithReid sucks.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 12567793)
Tiger is an idiot.

ROFL
Poor Tiggie.

oaklandhater 11-20-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567810)
When you need Mellinger or Teicher to form your own opinions on football without being able to think for yourself...

28th Tiger own it and just move on it will be okay you will feel better when you just let it go.

Beef Supreme 11-20-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567810)
When you need Mellinger or Teicher to form your own opinions on football without being able to think for yourself...

When it's so glaringly obvious to everyone that even Mellinger and Teicher are talking about it.

In58men 11-20-2016 07:42 PM

Some members truly believe he hasn't peaked yet. It's sad, Smith is junk.

Reerun_KC 11-20-2016 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12567787)
But he sets up the punter.

Can som one explain to me how Alex Smith sets up a punter?

In58men 11-20-2016 07:44 PM

He just needs more weapons and a better fullback.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 07:46 PM

I see NWO and company are back from gargling clay's nuts.

Chromatic 11-20-2016 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12567834)
He just needs more weapons and a better fullback.

He just needs his long snapper's dad to not get murdered 3 days before the game anymore. It brings the whole team down.

Also, more jet sweeps to Poe. We aren't getting cute enough.

stumppy 11-20-2016 07:47 PM

He massaged the offense into the perfect punting situation. You can't ask much more than that. Right tig ?

stumppy 11-20-2016 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromatic (Post 12567850)
He just needs his long snapper's dad to not get murdered 3 days before the game anymore. It brings the whole team down.

Also, more jet sweeps to Poe. We aren't getting cute enough.

Sideways is the new forward.

New World Order 11-20-2016 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12567834)
He just needs more weapons and a better fullback.


More time to develop.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 07:49 PM

The same people who bitched when we were 2-2 but rejoiced in the rep thread when we were winning...are back to bitching. Notice the title "Overreaction Planet" is back... It's aimed at you low intelligence posters that are too damn poor to donate to this site.

Cheap bastards.

TEX 11-20-2016 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12567822)
Some members truly believe he hasn't peaked yet. It's sad, Smith is junk.

Yep. H has gotten worse with time despite being surrounded with more talent.

TEX 11-20-2016 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567864)
The same people who bitched when we were 2-2 but rejoiced in the rep thread when we were winning...are back to bitching. Notice the title "Overreaction Planet" is back... It's aimed at you low intelligence posters that are too damn poor to donate to this site.

Cheap bastards.

True, but Smith and the offense do suck. :shrug:

Beef Supreme 11-20-2016 07:53 PM

He just needs some 40 weight ball bearings and some 3-in-1 oil.

Chromatic 11-20-2016 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567864)
The same people who bitched when we were 2-2 but rejoiced in the rep thread when we were winning...are back to bitching. Notice the title "Overreaction Planet" is back... It's aimed at you low intelligence posters that are too damn poor to donate to this site.

Cheap bastards.

He just needs better fans. That'll get him to throw a td every 2 games instead of the usual 3-4.

We're ungrateful pricks.

oaklandhater 11-20-2016 07:56 PM

I want tiger to find one sports analyst that can defend Alex or the offense because there isn't that's when you know you're a homer tiger.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 12567886)
True, but Smith and the offense do suck. :shrug:

Below average without Maclin. Defense was bottom of the barrel giving up 24 first downs

Reerun_KC 11-20-2016 08:00 PM

God dammit how does Smith setup a punter. I've see that twice and still can't figure it out.

Beef Supreme 11-20-2016 08:01 PM

Offense ranked 28th in the league. Tiger calls defense bottom of the barrel. Yeah they stunk today. They still held them to 19 points.

notorious 11-20-2016 08:02 PM

Bring media heat and pressure down on Smith and the Chiefs offense.

Reerun_KC 11-20-2016 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12567926)
Bring media heat and pressure down on Smith and the Chiefs offense.

It's coming.

notorious 11-20-2016 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12567931)
It's coming.

Imagine if you got a free pass for blowing through ceiling minimums and flying your passengers above 18k with no O2.


Nobody else gets by in the real world when they suck at their job. I am tired of these failures just shrugging their shoulders and receiving their checks.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12567917)
God dammit how does Smith setup a punter. I've see that twice and still can't figure it out.

They're taking a comment out of context. They were bitching about how the offense wasn't doing much and I pointed out that a Smith led offense scored TD/FG/TD with one INT and only 1 drive that was an immediate three and out from passes.

The other drive went 40 yards down the field before a 3 and out with Colquitt punting the ball inside the Bucs' 5 yard line...we essentially controlled field position that the defense ruined by allowing them to go 60 yards down the field. But these dip shits take things out of context as they have zero football insight to provide.

People will bitch just to bitch on CP as usual

kcxiv 11-20-2016 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567916)
Below average without Maclin. Defense was bottom of the barrel giving up 24 first downs

And still only allowed 19 points. Chiefs couldn't even score 20 at home.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12567947)
Imagine if you got a free pass for blowing through ceiling minimums and flying your passengers above 18k with no O2.


Nobody else gets by in the real world when they suck at their job. I am tired of these failures just shrugging their shoulders and receiving their checks.

But all Reid/Smith/Dorsey does is win.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 12567956)
And still only allowed 19 points. Chiefs couldn't even score 20 at home.

Again, for the intellectually challenged. The offense can't move the ball if the defense can't stop the other team and get our team the ball back. We gave up 24 first downs. 24. That's Cleveland Browns bad.

notorious 11-20-2016 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567961)
Again, for the intellectually challenged. The offense can't move the ball if the defense can't stop the other team. We gave up 24 first downs. 24. That's Cleveland Browns bad.

God forbid the offense produce just ONCE.


Instead, the defense has to play flawlessly or else lose. This shit is getting old.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12567830)
Can som one explain to me how Alex Smith sets up a punter?

By throwing at the other team?

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12567973)
God forbid the offense produce just ONCE.


Instead, the defense has to play flawlessly or else lose. This shit is getting old.

****, they had to score a TD last week, THEN take the ball away to set up the game winning FG.

Anyone blaming the defense is an idiot. I understand that they didn't score this week, but little known secret to AlexAndy Apologists : it's actually the OFFENSE'S job to score points! True story! Weird as it may seem...

Easy 6 11-20-2016 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12567973)
God forbid the offense produce just ONCE.


Instead, the defense has to play flawlessly or else lose. This shit is getting old.

Yep, the offense needs to be able to save the day once in a while... constantly relying on the defense is a recipe for failure

Bugeater 11-20-2016 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567961)
The offense can't move the ball if the defense can't stop the other team.

What. The. Hell?

If you're going to make reeruned comments like this you have no business calling out others for being intellectually challenged. This is the dumbest thing I have read on this board for quite some time and that is saying something.

TinyEvel 11-20-2016 08:22 PM

Today is what happens when our magic defense doesn't do their magic like in all the past 5 games. Offense got exposed. Coming into this game we were 3 for 26 on third down conversion in our last two games. I don't know anything about football and I can see that.
Reid calling that pitch to Kelce on the goal line was just outright stupid.

Angry Tiny is angry.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12567973)
God forbid the offense produce just ONCE.


Instead, the defense has to play flawlessly or else lose. This shit is getting old.

We allowed Bucs 68% conversion of their third downs.

Common sense, use some kid.

Red Dawg 11-20-2016 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12567980)
By throwing at the other team?

Lol. That shit is funny. "Sets up the punter". That's some HOF writing there.

stumppy 11-20-2016 08:23 PM

With the exception of the Jets game I don't think there's been one game this year where at halftime I felt like we had it in the bag. Hell, not even in the 4th quarter on most.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12567961)
Again, for the intellectually challenged. The offense can't move the ball if the defense can't stop the other team. We gave up 24 first downs. 24. That's Cleveland Browns bad.

How many first downs did the offense convert to keep the defense off the field?

How many plays did Tampa run? 74? And we only gave up 19 points?


You're telling me Andy "Offensive Genius" Reid and Alex "Gunslinger" Smith can't score 20 points at home, against Tampa Bay?? ****ing inexcusable. I don't care how many 1st downs Tampa had, a ****ton more than KC because Smith won't convert 3rd downs, like he's ****ing allergic.

Shut the **** up.

Red Dawg 11-20-2016 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 12567998)
Today is what happens when our magic defense doesn't do their magic like in all the past 5 games. Offense got exposed. Coming into this game we were 3 for 26 on third down conversion in our last two games. I don't know anything about football and I can see that.
Reid calling that pitch to Kelce on the goal line was just outright stupid.

Angry Tiny is angry.

I don't see how the offense got exposed. What has everyone been watching? They have been this bad almost every game.

notorious 11-20-2016 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12568009)
How many first downs did the offense convert to keep the defense off the field?

How many plays did Tampa run? 74? And we only gave up 19 points?


You're telling me Andy "Offensive Genius" Reid and Alex "Gunslinger" Smith can't score 20 points at home, against Tampa Bay?? ****ing inexcusable. I don't care how many 1st downs Tampa had, a ****ton more than KC because Smith won't convert 3rd downs, like he's ****ing allergic.

Shut the **** up.

It's hopeless, but I hope people keep responding to him because he has fired off some Grade-A winners today. LMAO

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 12567998)
Today is what happens when our magic defense doesn't do their magic like in all the past 5 games. Offense got exposed. Coming into this game we were 3 for 26 on third down conversion in our last two games. I don't know anything about football and I can see that.
Reid calling that pitch to Kelce on the goal line was just outright stupid.

Angry Tiny is angry.

You know a lot more about football than the people who think they know a lot about football do...offense stinks. Can't convert on third down. Can't consistently string plays together to make meaningful drives...can't score points - touchdowns, specifically.

It's no secret.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12568009)
How many first downs did the offense convert to keep the defense off the field?

How many plays did Tampa run? 74? And we only gave up 19 points?


You're telling me Andy "Offensive Genius" Reid and Alex "Gunslinger" Smith can't score 20 points at home, against Tampa Bay?? ****ing inexcusable. I don't care how many 1st downs Tampa had, a ****ton more than KC because Smith won't convert 3rd downs, like he's ****ing allergic.

Shut the **** up.

Chiefs put up 2 TD's and 1 FG on the 6 drives that Smith got to throw the ball. Our second series of the game was a quick 3 runs and out. Scoring on half of your drives when the QB gets to throw the problem isn't exactly a problem...

Bugeater 11-20-2016 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12568021)
It's hopeless, but I hope people keep responding to him because he has fired off some Grade-A winners today. LMAO

Honest to god I try to ignore him but yeah, when he says something so absurdly stupid even by his standards, I have to say something.

stumppy 11-20-2016 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeaverEater (Post 12567997)
What. The. Hell?

If you're going to make reeruned comments like this you have no business calling out others for being intellectually challenged. This is the dumbest thing I have read on this board for quite some time and that is saying something.

ROFLROFL

QFT

It's not like the offense had about the same number of possessions as the Bucs did.....oh wait.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12568014)
I don't see how the offense got exposed. What has everyone been watching? They have been this bad almost every game.

ROFL

They didn't notice that it was this bad because defense and special teams have pretty much bailed the offense out every week.

This shit coaching staff is squandering a championship defense.

Because Chiefs. Again.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12568038)
ROFLROFL

QFT

It's not like the offense had about the same number of possessions as the Bucs did.....oh wait.

*sigh*

You can tell who the Hillary voters are.

stumppy 11-20-2016 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12568021)
It's hopeless, but I hope people keep responding to him because he has fired off some Grade-A winners today. LMAO

Righty-o you are. ROFL

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12568002)
We allowed Bucs 68% conversion of their third downs.

Common sense, use some kid.

Q : What stopped KC from converting a similar number?

A : SmithReid suckage = allergic to 3rd down conversions

Dipshit.

Dartgod 11-20-2016 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12567990)
****, they had to score a TD last week, THEN take the ball away to set up the game winning FG.

Anyone blaming the defense is an idiot. I understand that they didn't score this week, but little known secret to AlexAndy Apologists : it's actually the OFFENSE'S job to score points! True story! Weird as it may seem...

Anyone giving the defense a pass is a bigger idiot.

The offense and defense were equally bad today.

stumppy 11-20-2016 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12568059)
Anyone giving the defense a pass is a bigger idiot.

The offense and defense were equally bad today.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

It's not either / or it's both for sure.

Chief Roundup 11-20-2016 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12568002)
Common sense, use some kid.

Oh the irony

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 12568051)
Q : What stopped KC from converting a similar number?

A : SmithReid suckage = allergic to 3rd down conversions

Dipshit.

WE converted 50%, above the league average.

Your move. Wait, that's checkmate. ROFL

stumppy 11-20-2016 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12568071)
WE converted 50%, above the league average.

Your move. Wait, that's checkmate. ROFL

They damn sure haven't done that in the last 3 or 4 games.

Sandy Vagina 11-20-2016 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12568059)
Anyone giving the defense a pass is a bigger idiot.

The offense and defense were equally bad today.

THIS

the injuries greatly contributed, but the team just sucked as.. a TEAM.

NO ONE gets a free pass. Just a shit day and a rare KC loss. Suck it up, and move forward. If they win on Thursday, all smiles again.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12568079)
They damn sure haven't done that in the last 3 or 4 games.

Well consider before today we won 5 in a row....why are you bitching?

Maclin's presence will change the offensive efficiency, count on it.

stumppy 11-20-2016 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12568071)
WE converted 50%, above the league average.

Your move. Wait, that's checkmate. ROFL

WRONG AGAIN. For the year they are 47/132.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12568071)
WE converted 50%, above the league average.

Your move. Wait, that's checkmate. ROFL

And still couldn't score more than 17 points?

I guess that INT really did cause the loss, even more than Reid's boneheaded timeout.

By virtue of math, our chances of winning went down exponentially with that pick.

17 points.

They scored 17 points. At home. Against Tampa Bay.

Alex had the game in his hands...and threw a no-look one-read INT IN THE ****ING END ZONE.

All the needed was 20 points. And Alex couldn't do it.

I don't care what your excuses are. That is inexcusable.

17 points. ROFL

Go suck on Alex's sweaty jock strap.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12568090)
WRONG AGAIN. For the year they are 47/132.

Far cry from 50%.

Tiggie was fun for a minute, but back on ignore he goes. Time for the adults to talk now.

Bugeater 11-20-2016 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12568059)
Anyone giving the defense a pass is a bigger idiot.

The offense and defense were equally bad today.

Offense, defense, coaching...everything. It was a total team failure. To single out anyone or any unit is an exercise in absurdity.

Chief Roundup 11-20-2016 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12568059)
Anyone giving the defense a pass is a bigger idiot.

The offense and defense were equally bad today.

This is true but the D can't be on the field for almost 2/3 of the game either. The D needs to get breathers. The D was missing their best CB, already a weak position group, their best pass rusher and be expected to win the game as usual without any help from the offense. The offense has to give them breathers and they have not for weeks and it caught up today.
Like you said both sides failed today but the offense has not been showing up this season.

Dartgod 11-20-2016 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12568120)
This is true but the D can't be on the field for almost 2/3 of the game either. The D needs to get breathers. The D was missing their best CB, already a weak position group, their best pass rusher and be expected to win the game as usual without any help from the offense. The offense has to give them breathers and they have not for weeks and it caught up today.
Like you said both sides failed today but the offense has not been showing up this season.

The D was on the field 2/3 of the game because they could not get a 3rd down stop

oaklandhater 11-20-2016 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12568120)
This is true but the D can't be on the field for almost 2/3 of the game either. The D needs to get breathers. The D was missing their best CB, already a weak position group, their best pass rusher and be expected to win the game as usual without any help from the offense. The offense has to give them breathers and they have not for weeks and it caught up today.
Like you said both sides failed today but the offense has not been showing up this season.

And most of last season some how we are even worse on offense then we were last season I think Alex time in kc is nearing its end

Reerun_KC 11-20-2016 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12568138)
The D was on the field 2/3 of the game because they could not get a 3rd down stop

Exactly, then right back out there when Smith and Co went 3 and out...

Just a because Chiefs kinda game.

Chief Roundup 11-20-2016 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12568138)
The D was on the field 2/3 of the game because they could not get a 3rd down stop

Yeah we were missing 4 or 5 starters I think?
Yet our O couldn't do much against one of the worst defenses in the league, AGAIN while missing only Maclin.

Dartgod 11-20-2016 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12568144)
Exactly, then right back out there when Smith and Co went 3 and out...

Just a because Chiefs kinda game.

We had two 3 and outs early in the game and that was it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-20-2016 08:58 PM

The Tigger butthurt as he faces the long-awaited reality of the ReidSmith bearing down upon his fantasy land RMS Titanic like an iceberg scraping across a boiler room of dead men, gves me the kind of wood that has just up until recently been reserved solely for the likes of Hillary and Bernie spporters.

Make it rain!

:)

Reerun_KC 11-20-2016 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 12568159)
We had two 3 and outs early in the game and that was it.

I took a nap at halftime and wokeup sometime in the 3rd qtr...

I am liking the Reid years, zero expectations, win a lot of regular season games... Not really a threat in the playoffs... Just sit back, relax, catch a nap and enjoy your Sunday kinda team...

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 09:03 PM

we lost to a 5-5 team that's in contention for a playoff spot. Big deal. Quit being so butt hurt, we're 7-3 with a lot of football left

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12568150)
Yeah we were missing 4 or 5 starters I think?
Yet our O couldn't do much against one of the worst defenses in the league, AGAIN while missing only Maclin.

Maclin. And Charles. And starting guard.
You add up the dollars and that's over 20 million of cap space buddy.

oaklandhater 11-20-2016 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12568199)
we lost to a 5-5 team that's in contention for a playoff spot. Big deal. Quit being so butt hurt, we're 7-3 with a lot of football left

Bottom of the barrel offense with no sign of getting better is why people are freaking out.

Chief Roundup 11-20-2016 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12568202)
Maclin. And Charles. And starting guard.
You add up the dollars and that's over 20 million of cap space buddy.

Ware>Charles, Fulton=Ehinger so that leaves Maclin only, but by all means keep up your idiocy where everything is the defenses fault. MORON.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 12568204)
Bottom of the barrel offense with no sign of getting better is why people are freaking out.

Because without Berry's defensive TD last week (+ Peter's strip) it would be back to back losses to jax and TB.

This is very much cause for concern. It's not an isolated incident, and it needs to be addressed. Yet, we all know it will not be addressed. Because Chiefs.

rabblerouser 11-20-2016 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12568217)
Ware>Charles, Fulton=Ehinger so that leaves Maclin only, but by all means keep up your idiocy where everything is the defenses fault. MORON.

I know. All those guys out, and the D still held them to 19 points. And Tiggie the Tarded doesn't understand how 17 points just simply isn't good enough.

ROFL

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-20-2016 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 12568217)
Ware>Charles, Fulton=Ehinger so that leaves Maclin only, but by all means keep up your idiocy where everything is the defenses fault. MORON.

You want to know what Tom Brady's QB rating is with and without his top target?


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