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Coogs 11-21-2016 11:12 AM

Thoughts on the Offense.
 
IMO, there has only been 1 game this season where the offense has look competent at all by NFL standards. That was the game at Oakland.
That also is the only game where we came out with the mindset that we were going to run first, and pass to compliment the run.

I know game situations dictate stats somewhat, but look at the game by game rush to pass totals:

Chargers - 19 rushes, 48 passes
Texans - 19 rushes, 37 passes
Jets - 27 rushes, 33 passes
Steelers - 18 rushes, 50 passes
Raiders - 40 rushes, 23 passes
Saints - 28 rushes, 24 passes
Colts - 27 rushes, 41 passes
Jags - 22 rushes, 33 passes
Panthers - 20 rushes, 38 passes
Buc's - 21 rushes, 31 passes

Go back to last season. Same trend.

Texans - 32 rushes, 33 passes
Bronco's - 28 rushes , 25 passes
Packers - 18 rushes, 40 passes
Bengals - 23 rushes, 45 passes
Bears - 25 rushes, 30 passes
Vikes - 18 rushes, 37 passes
Steelers - 29 rushes, 32 passes
Lions - 32 rushes, 28 passes
Bronco's - 32 rushes, 31 passes
Chargers - 31 rushes, 25 passes
Bills - 27 rushes, 30 passes
Raiders - 22 rushes, 22 passes
Chargers - 25 rushes, 23 passes
Ravens - 28 rushes, 25 passes
Browns - 27 rushes, 22 passes
Raiders - 39 rushes, 25 passes
Texans - 37 rushes, 17 passes
Pats - 32 rushes, 50 passes

We are not a passing team, yet we try to be one. Commit to the run and mix in the pass as a compliment. 60/40 ratio needs to be the goal, with 50/50 range being acceptable. We are a very good team when we do this. Not so much when we throw it 1st.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-21-2016 11:18 AM

Running the ball isn't cute enough for Andy most of the time..

Even when a running game isn't having success, it only takes one good gain to spark it. Andy gives up on it too quickly.

kgrund 11-21-2016 11:21 AM

Being an old school West Coast offense guy, Andy is addicted to the short passing game like crack cocaine. In many respects, Andy is your typical offensive coordinator in today's NFL. They do not have the patience to stick with the run game. They are still focused on the short-term and forget about all of the long-term benefits a ground game brings to the table. A perfect case in point was yesterday's game. With the defense struggling to get off the field, one thing the offense could have accomplished was to have long sustained drives utilizing the run game, but we don't even consider it.

Bowser 11-21-2016 11:22 AM

I think our offense sucks this year. (am I doing this right?)

The Franchise 11-21-2016 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12569291)
I think our offense sucks this year. (am I doing this right?)

No you aren't.

You're supposed to scream that it's the defense's fault.

notorious 11-21-2016 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12569291)
I think our offense sucks this year. (am I doing this right?)

I need to go check the game tape.









No, **** that. It sucks.

ptlyon 11-21-2016 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12569291)
Alex Smith sucks. (am I doing this right?)

FYP. Now you are.

Bowser 11-21-2016 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12569294)
No you aren't.

You're supposed to scream that it's the defense's fault.

Were you aware that Alex has better numbers this year than Tom Brady did the first year he came to replace Bledsoe and win the Super Bowl?

Facts. Not fiction.

Mr. Kotter 11-21-2016 11:34 AM

Yup, but I believe a lot of it has to do with the absence of Charles. Charles is a dual threat--opponents can't key on the run with him. Ware has shown he can be a reliable dual threat, but teams seem to anticipate his runs more. I don't know if it's formations or motion, but something is different...and I think other teams are able to key on the running more with Ware. Heck, if it were not for his yards after contact....Ware's rushing stats would be less impressive.

As others have said, Andy gives up on the run too early...but on the other hand, if 3-and-outs via run-run-pass-punt gives the ball back too often and your D can't get stops, you are screwed too. Right now, our gimpy D can't get pressure, and can't cover on 3rd-and-long. If the D could get healthy, I think that would help a lot.

Go Royals 11-21-2016 11:40 AM

Spencer Ware has the same YPC average as Ezekiel Elliot, but about 90 less carries. Our offense needs to be way more balanced.

dls6501 11-21-2016 11:43 AM

We have been told by Alex fans since he got here that he is one of the best/smartest QBs in the league as far as presnap reads go. We have been told that Alex has the ability to call and change plays at the line as he sees fit.

Alex fans are also the first to bitch about Reid's playcalling.

Well AFC, you cant have it both ways. Either Reid's playcalling is shit, or Alex has no idea what plays to check into at the line, and isnt as good at presnap reads as you all claim.

We need to run the ball more. That is obvious. But is it Reid's playcalling that Alex is running without question? Or is Alex constantly audibling to the wrong playcall?

No one knows.

CupidStunt 11-21-2016 12:23 PM

We're trying to win Nascar races in a go kart.

We're trying to build houses with lego bricks.

We're trying to make the best BBQ with $3 ribs.


Keep going.

Dayze 11-21-2016 12:26 PM

we're trying to be fashionable while wearing Montgomery Ward's ToughSkins jeans.

loochy 11-21-2016 12:27 PM

We're trying to think with Blackbob's brain.

Titty Meat 11-21-2016 12:27 PM

15 TDs 8 INT is what Smith is on track for

loochy 11-21-2016 12:28 PM

We're trying to win the election and be Democrat

rabblerouser 11-21-2016 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12569436)
15 TDs 8 INT is what Smith is on track for

Not even a 2:1 ratio.


Wow, that's some 1980s backup QB type stats right there.

rabblerouser 11-21-2016 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 12569440)
We're trying to win the election and be Democrat.

ROFL

Aspengc8 11-21-2016 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12569270)

We are not a passing team, yet we try to be one. Commit to the run and mix in the pass as a compliment. 60/40 ratio needs to be the goal, with 50/50 range being acceptable. We are a very good team when we do this. Not so much when we throw it 1st.

Have you not watched any games since Andy & Alex joined forces? They run a combo of west coast & spread concepts, just like Alex did in Utah. They have one of the best blocking fullbacks in the NFL, and he shows up once or twice a game in I-form.

It's a joke...

Cannibal 11-21-2016 12:53 PM

I almost miss Marty's offense.

We can't even convert on 3rd and short any longer.

Meatloaf 11-21-2016 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12569436)
15 TDs 8 INT is what Smith is on track for

BMB, you forgot the "and collect $17M" part.

loochy 11-21-2016 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 12569557)
BMB, you forgot the "and collect $17M" part.

1.13 million dollars per touchdown pass.

That's some expensive stuff man.

Molitoth 11-21-2016 01:50 PM

Eagles fans came here to warn us. They were right.

carcosa 11-21-2016 01:54 PM

The offense is not very good.

carcosa 11-21-2016 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12569606)
The offense is not very good.

I think this is due to Andy Reid's bad playcalling and Alex Smith's bad playplaying.

Ware, Kelce, and Hill are very good, though.

Snica 11-21-2016 01:59 PM

It is offensive.

old_geezer 11-21-2016 02:13 PM

To paraphrase John McKay; What do you think of your offense's execution? "I'm all for it".

Easy 6 11-21-2016 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12569598)
Eagles fans came here to warn us. They were right.

They were, but many of us didnt wanna hear it because we were so excited about all of the big changes taking place

Coogs 11-21-2016 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12569606)
The offense is not very good.

The thing is, this offense is good when we run at least 50% of the time. We have only done that twice this whole season.

Take out the Oakland game and we have thrown it 335 times and ran it 201 times. That is a 5 to 3 ratio of pass to run. We are better when it is reversed.

And watchable. The game against Oakland was fun to watch. Not painful.

Simply Red 11-21-2016 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12569606)
The offense is not very good.

Oh well, It's just a game.

Sandy Vagina 11-21-2016 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12569270)
We are not a passing team, yet we try to be one. Commit to the run and mix in the pass as a compliment.

Thought it was explained time and again when Andy came aboard? that we should expect a shit load of short passes (as extensions of runs). That Andy always forgets about the run game, and is obsessed with lots of short passing.

:hmmm:

gold_and_red 11-21-2016 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 12569754)
The thing is, this offense is good when we run at least 50% of the time. We have only done that twice this whole season.

Take out the Oakland game and we have thrown it 335 times and ran it 201 times. That is a 5 to 3 ratio of pass to run. We are better when it is reversed.

And watchable. The game against Oakland was fun to watch. Not painful.

So nobody in this organization has the courage to tell Andy that his pass happy playcalling and red zone trickery is not working as expected? We have two OCs, a veteran QB who is supposed to be an astute student of the game and a GM who has been around elite offenses in the past. I wonder what they discuss during the week.
It also looks like Andy places too much emphasis on if it works in practice it must work in the game except without a real feel for how the game is progressing.

Hydrae 11-21-2016 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12569777)
Oh well, It's just a game.

So, IJaG?

KevB 11-21-2016 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12569665)
They were, but many of us didnt wanna hear it because we were so excited about all of the big changes taking place

To be fair, we were a laughingstock when he came to town and now are considered a playoff team with reasonable aspirations for a title. He's far from perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than what we had before him. I'd guess anyone we brought in would have flaws, and he's no different. But he does win games, even if we question if he has the juice to get us to the promised land.

CupidStunt 11-21-2016 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 12569440)
We're trying to win the election and be Democrat

LMAO

Not into politics, not even American, but this is a beauty.

Perfectly describes the fail of Alex Smith.

Dunerdr 11-21-2016 05:00 PM

I would like to go on record as being against whatever shit tiger comes up with. It's the most bullet proof argument.

Easy 6 11-21-2016 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 12569893)
To be fair, we were a laughingstock when he came to town and now are considered a playoff team with reasonable aspirations for a title. He's far from perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than what we had before him. I'd guess anyone we brought in would have flaws, and he's no different. But he does win games, even if we question if he has the juice to get us to the promised land.

I wouldnt argue with any of that, there were far worse choices Clark could've made... but with better records comes increased expectations

IMO its fair to begin wondering if Andy can take us over the top, considering some of his stubborn tendencies

Mr. Laz 11-21-2016 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12569294)
No you aren't.

You're supposed to scream that it's the defense's fault.

^ might as well be Clayton's Twin Troll Brother

Just a little more polished

Sandy Vagina 11-21-2016 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 12569893)
To be fair, we were a laughingstock when he came to town and now are considered a playoff team with reasonable aspirations for a title. He's far from perfect, but he's a hell of a lot better than what we had before him. I'd guess anyone we brought in would have flaws, and he's no different. But he does win games, even if we question if he has the juice to get us to the promised land.

Good post.

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Originally Posted by gold_and_red (Post 12569863)
So nobody in this organization has the courage to tell Andy that his pass happy playcalling and red zone trickery is not working as expected? We have two OCs, a veteran QB who is supposed to be an astute student of the game and a GM who has been around elite offenses in the past. I wonder what they discuss during the week.

Yes, it's puzzling.

SAUTO 11-21-2016 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 12569435)
We're trying to think with Blackbob's brain.

Trying to talk with bukkakebob's mouth?

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-21-2016 05:46 PM

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Coogs 11-21-2016 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold_and_red (Post 12569863)
So nobody in this organization has the courage to tell Andy that his pass happy playcalling and red zone trickery is not working as expected? We have two OCs, a veteran QB who is supposed to be an astute student of the game and a GM who has been around elite offenses in the past. I wonder what they discuss during the week.
It also looks like Andy places too much emphasis on if it works in practice it must work in the game except without a real feel for how the game is progressing.

Last year we were 1-1 and should have been 2-0 (Charles fumble returned for TD), and passed 58 times out of 118 snaps for a 49% passing vs 51% run. Then we went the next 4 games with 152 passes out of 236 snaps. 64% pass vs 36% run. Record 0-4. Next 11 games, 280 passes out of 609 plays. 46% pass vs 54% run. Record 11-0. Last game vs NE 50 passes out of 82 snaps. 61% pass 39% run. Loss.

That is what they should be discussing.

Bewbies 11-21-2016 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12569436)
15 TDs 8 INT is what Smith is on track for

I don't even know if this is acceptable in high school... LMAO

Chiefshrink 11-22-2016 12:59 AM

Play calling is our problem. Tyreek is our Antonio Brown in the making and he needs to be actually touching the ball much more. Last week has been the only time he was seriously targeted for much of the game.

PAChiefsGuy 11-22-2016 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 12570925)
I don't even know if this is acceptable in high school... LMAO

There's been QBs who have won the SB with far worse stats so I don't really care what Alex Smith's stats are right now. I care about beating the Broncos.

Aaron Rodgers is on pace for 40 TDs 11 INTs but his team sucks so who really cares? You think the Packer fans are saying "hey we are losing but our QB is awesome so this season is a success!"

We have to focus on winning as a team despite any limitations our QB may have. We've got the D to make up for his short-comings and I don't believe the current slump the offense is in will last much longer. They'll break out of it soon.

I hope. :huh:

Coogs 11-22-2016 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12571127)
There's been QBs who have won the SB with far worse stats so I don't really care what Alex Smith's stats are right now. I care about beating the Broncos.

Aaron Rodgers is on pace for 40 TDs 11 INTs but his team sucks so who really cares? You think the Packer fans are saying "hey we are losing but our QB is awesome so this season is a success!"

We have to focus on winning as a team despite any limitations our QB may have. We've got the D to make up for his short-comings and I don't believe the current slump the offense is in will last much longer. They'll break out of it soon.

I hope. :huh:

Again, the numbers from the past two seasons don't support that the offense will break out of it soon if we continue to follow the same blueprint of throwing at at 60-40 clip.

Chiefnj2 11-22-2016 07:59 AM

Thoughts on the offense from someone who hasn't watched them much this year.

1. Reid still sucks in the red zone and with time management.
2. The only thing that made Smith an average QB was his ability to scramble. When he wouldn't throw to a NFL Open receiver for 10 -15 yards, he'd at least scramble the 6 yards to pick up a first down. He's not doing that this year and drives are dying.
3. Smith/Reid don't typically use the #2-4 WR's too much. With Maclin being hurt they are stuck.
4. The defense isn't as dominant as it was in past years (although it is still carrying the team) and they aren't giving the offense the fantastic field position they typically enjoy when settling for FG's.

CupidStunt 11-22-2016 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 12570925)
I don't even know if this is acceptable in high school... LMAO

It's like 4 games for Tom Brady.

Minus 7 of the INTs.

ROFL

MahiMike 11-22-2016 09:34 AM

The defense dictates the playoffs calling. Raiders suck vs the run.

TEX 11-22-2016 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 12571178)
Thoughts on the offense from someone who hasn't watched them much this year.

1. Reid still sucks in the red zone and with time management.
2. The only thing that made Smith an average QB was his ability to scramble. When he wouldn't throw to a NFL Open receiver for 10 -15 yards, he'd at least scramble the 6 yards to pick up a first down. He's not doing that this year and drives are dying.
3. Smith/Reid don't typically use the #2-4 WR's too much. With Maclin being hurt they are stuck.
4. The defense isn't as dominant as it was in past years (although it is still carrying the team) and they aren't giving the offense the fantastic field position they typically enjoy when settling for FG's.

Pretty good assessment.

Go Royals 11-22-2016 10:06 AM

Many people have said it before, but the offense gets better the more you take the ball out of Smiff's tiny little hands

loochy 11-22-2016 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12569936)
Trying to talk with bukkakebob's mouth?

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Titty Meat 11-22-2016 11:20 AM

The offense has scored 2 or fewer TD's in 6 of the 8 games Smith has played in.

Easy 6 11-22-2016 11:36 AM

Thoughts on the offense?

I'm offended

Seriously, even with all of Reids maddening stubborness, his offenses were NEVER this awful in Philly, it begs the question... what has changed?

I know where I'm pointing the finger...

MMXcalibur 11-22-2016 01:01 PM

I wish our offense was better.
We would have a better team if the offense was better.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-22-2016 02:31 PM

Maclin is reading all the inane comments on CP and wondering how people can be so damn stupid.


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