Charles Davis: Chiefs shouldn't move on from Smith unless they have his replacement
 

Fox Sports' Charles Davis is talking about the Chiefs and the loss to Tennessee as well as Andy Reid's playcalling in that game. He's also asked about Alex Smith and seems to believe that the Chiefs can't move on from him unless that have his replacement NOW.

8:00 min mark of video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjCQC4fo_CI

we'll be fine.

Well....duh?

Gee, ya think so doctor?

That's ****ing brilliant analysis right there. "The Chiefs can't get rid of their quarterback unless they have another quarterback".

And here I thought they'd just start running the triple option; ****ing Wing T formation FTMFW!!

I don't believe that's the question, Charles. The question is 'what constitutes a viable Alex Smith replacement'? If the answer is "someone that's 80% as effective and costs 10% as much" then I think you have your answer.

Hey, guys - real bold take here:

"You shouldn't belly flop into empty swimming pools"

Where's my goddamned Pulitzer

It's Wildcat offense time, baby!!!

Not like KC is some sort of serious downfield passing threat as it stands presently anyway.

Plus Spencer Ware played QB in HS!!!!

I want mine too.

'Don't Eat Yellow Snow'

By: Captain ****ing Obvious

Don't piss on a flat rock.

You're welcome.

NOW you tell me! God, my stomach hurts. My mouth feels different too, somehow less toothy.

Don't quit your job unless you have another one lined up! Unless your name is Charles Davis. You should quit no matter what.

Don't start a Fanduel betting pool on your favorite football BB.

Who?

ROFL I now wish I would've gotten into that to see what all went down. Well worth the hundred bucks.

:D
I've only caught bits and pieces of the fallout but from what I've seen Hottie defined the word 'EPIC' with his meltdown.

Hell, we didn't dump Cassel until we had Alex blech Smith.

With Alex Smith's low salary it wouldn't be difficult to develop a guy while Smith holds down the fort.

The problem is that i see no evidence to indicate that Reid/Dorsey are truly trying to replace Smith. Seems to me they are just casually trying to take the random shot at picking up a QB that they can turn around and trade for picks.

i see no sense of urgency at all

I don't see how the Chiefs will Ever replace Alex. Its hard to replace a Franchise QB that destroys defenses with 178 yards a game passing and a TD throw every few games. Teams have to game plan against Alex-they know he is going to go off one quarter a game-they just don't know which one. Alex keeps them guessing. Lulls them to sleep with a devastating horizontal passing attack, high incomplete passes and Red Zone interceptions- then- BAMM a twenty ****ing yard pass downfield. That is hard to stop.

The trickery is mind bottling

Gee thanks Charles!

https://fraternalpresidentsblog.file...in-obvious.jpg

I hope he retires.

No QB in the history of the NFL can shut an offense down to protect a 3 point lead after the 1st quarter like Alex. He will be missed.

Exactly the reason I cannot figure out why people would be scared of a rookie starting over this dick cheese.

I would be perfectly fine with

a) releasing Smith

b) drafting a QB in the first two rounds

c) keeping Foles as the 2017 starter/bridge player for the rook

Foles gets shit on too much around here IMO, give him a full offseason/camp as the starter and he'd pleasantly surprise people I'd bet... he would damn sure play a more exciting brand of football while we wait for the rookie to mature

This.

Not to mention he'd be a helluva lot cheaper

A rookie could gives us at minimum the same production for a shit ton less money.

Cut Smith.
Extend Foles.
Extend Charles.
Cut Colquitt.
Draft a QB in the first two rounds.
?????
Profit.

Yep. I agree 100%.

Shhhh. You mus'nt unsettle the tiki God.

It'd sure be nice to have enough cap room to grab a couple good free agents

**** I'm tired of hearing about Smith's salary. The guy is dirt cheap by nfl starting qb standards. It's one thing to want to upgrade the talent level, but the bitching about his contract is total ignorance.

That's what has driven me nuts over the years. They will never reap the reward of developing a franchise QB until they take that chance. The only thing they've proven over and over is retread QBs are not the answering to being a dominant NFL franchise.
The amount of money, let alone the time spent chasing their tale has got to be staggering. Money spent on retreads has got to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. But, at the end of the year it pays off for them.
Sometimes I need a season like this to snap my dumb ass back to reality. My team isn't here to win us championships. They're here to make money.

Troll post

What makes you think that Foles will sign an extension for cheaper than Alex Smith is currently playing at? He has a salary bump to 10 million next year because he wants to start. He will only extend for starter money and it's rare to sign a starter for cheap these days.

Only Dalton is cheaper than Smith(other than rookie deals/backup bumped up)

IIRC, his cap hit is almost $18M this season. I'm guessing that makes him the 10-12th highest paid QB in the league.

Are we getting 10-12th QB production?

I have a hard time believing we can't get 213 yards passing and .85 TD's a game out of damn near anyone else at a MUCH lower cost.

Guess it just depends on who the 49er backup is at the time. As of now we will get Gabbert.

word

Same Foles released by two teams....

You realize how many times you and others have played out these scenarios and yet it is known nothing will be done. 20-4. Likely to be 22-4 before the offseason

Quit wasting your time

I dont really know where his contract stands among other starters, and that wasnt really my point... the point is that a cheaper contract would help free up room for free agents

I guess you quit sucking your uncle's dick long enough to take me off ignore?

Yeah, the poorly run at the time eagles, and the even worse rams

A rookie might throw game-changing interceptions.


Wait........

Andy Reid.

Just in case.

Foles isnt the answer...keep Smith, draft his replacement and let Bray continue to think that he is a qb

I think you will see the urgency in this coming draft. Not just because "Smiff sucks" and all of that jazz.. but because they must recognize that Smith is no spring chicken.. and one more concussion/serious injury would greatly accelerate his retirement plan.. if he isn't already at this point.

I'm seeing 16.9 mil as his cap hit to KC next season.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-ci...ex-smith-3337/

puts him as the 21st QB in avr per yr
http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

I dunno, man... I really do think Andy loves him some Nick Foles. The article I'm pasting was one that was posted when Foles went to the Rams. Maclin and Reid seem to love Foles...and there really wasn't any reason for them to be saying such nice things about him at the time, for he wasn't a member of the Chiefs...

The common denominator for refusing acknowledge improvements at the position and proceeding to move on is Clark Hunt.

Sep 4, 2015
Nick Wagoner
ESPN Staff Writer
ST. LOUIS -- Even after an entire offseason, training camp and preseason, it's still hard to know what to expect from St. Louis Rams quarterback Nick Foles in his first year with the team.

But to hear Kansas City Chiefs coach Andy Reid and receiver Jeremy Maclin tell it, the Rams made a wise move bringing Foles in and giving him a two-year contract extension. In town for Thursday's preseason finale, Reid and Maclin -- both of whom spent time with Foles in Philadelphia -- were asked about Foles and both players offered high praise for the Rams' new starting signal-caller.

"You are asking one of Nick Foles’ biggest fans," Reid said. "He is smart, he has good accuracy, and he is a big body. A big strong guy, and he is young. He is going nowhere but up here. He is surrounded by good coaches and good skill players. I think he will do fine. He has to get back into this system. And it is just a matter of time.”

Of course, the Rams and their fans would prefer that it's not a matter of too much time as the Rams enter an important year for their future in town. The Rams clearly agree with Reid, having handed Foles a contract extension before he ever plays in a regular-season game for them.

While Reid obviously has ties to Foles that would indicate a bias, he also coached Foles before he stepped into current Eagles coach Chip Kelly's system. Reid runs a West Coast passing attack similar to what the Rams will ask of Foles so he should have at least some idea of how Foles' skills translate to what the Rams want him to do.

Foles played in seven games with six starts for Reid in 2012 after the Eagles used a third-round pick on him that year. Foles only won one of those starts and threw for 1,699 yards with six touchdowns and five interceptions for a rating of 79.1, but he earned the respect of Maclin and Reid in the process.

“I feel for starters, people can expect him to go out there and compete every single day," Maclin said. "That’s the type of person Nick is. He’s also a guy that, as far as talent, can make every throw on the football field. I’ve kind of heard the Rams guys saying ‘In 5 we trust’ and all that other stuff so that just goes to show you the type of respect people give him based off of the type of person he is and the type of player he is.”


Foles and Maclin didn't have many chances to play together because of Maclin's season-ending knee injury before the 2013 season, but even on the bench, Maclin said he could see why teammates were drawn to Foles.

Maclin pointed to a Week 3 win against Washington in 2014 as an example. In that game, Maclin said Foles took a borderline late hit as he threw a pass that was intercepted but overturned by replay. Foles bounced back and drove the Eagles to a 27-yard touchdown toss to Maclin that helped seal the victory.

"It’s just that type of will that he has that people just respect," Maclin said. "He was banged up after that, but it did not affect the way he finished the game.

“[He's] always positive. If anything goes bad, he’s the first one to take responsibility for it. For anyone leading the team, that’s kind of what you want.”

Water is wet?

LMAO

I'll believe it when I see it. Because, Chiefs.

0 Super Bowls
0 AFC Championship Games
0 AFC West Titles
1 Playoff win over a horrible Houston team

Facts not fiction. Bitch.

TigerUppercut is the ultimate Truefan.

Alright, I'll play along.

Fact is, they DON'T have Smith's replacement in the house right now. Would you want to see Foles as the "future face of the franchise"?

Dog vomit.

And as much as I like Bray on paper or you may like Hogan based upon his performance in college, those guys ARE what their draft position( or the lack thereof )says they are.

If the Chiefs never go round 2 or higher, they'll never have a legitimate pick at the position.

And we know the second coming of Jesus will happen before we use a high pick at QB.

five of my seven best belly flops have been into empty pools

Dorsey would do it, it's simply a matter of getting Reid and Hunt on board.

I'll beat this drum until I am dead:

As it stands today, John Dorsey is the only hope the Chiefs have for getting out of the past and moving toward a direction that is in step with the rest and best of the modern league.
:harumph:

Hogan doesnt even play for the chiefs anymore

Damn, I thought what's his **** from Georgia got the axe? It's down to Smith, Foles, and Bray?

Sweet Christ...

If I remember right he went to Cleveland and has even played this year.

Good kid, but certainly not the most impressive player I've ever seen.

Oh shit, I just remembered; they drafted Hogan and then turned right around and shoo'd him out of the barn!

LMAO

I thought Alex was the only one stealing money from his profession but Charles Davis might be even worse at his.

I haven't found anything that breaks it down to just this year. But his average is $17 Million per year and that ranks 21st.

$17.8M cap hit for this year, 13th among QB's.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/...t/quarterback/

Chiefs would probably give Foles a contract extension like Smith's. Because thats what Chiefs do.

What is Foles going to show you that has earned him more than what Alex Smith is getting paid? He's not going to get a contract for starter money anywhere. Osweiler pretty much killed that shit for the rest of the QBs for a little while.

Our evaluation of QB's in the draft is so good that not at single one in 4 years is still on the roster.

Not even on the practice squad...

Ouch

Yea but you're not including QB's we've drafted who went on to play for other teams.
How about K. Hogan ? He's gone on to play in 4 games for the Browns and even thrown passes in two of them.
You need to count him when you're ranking our QB evaluation.
That should bring us up to......wait......nope, still 32cnd in the league.

Dagnabit, once again, showing how clueless he is about this team.

Not picking high enough. No one goes looking for the future of the position in round 3-down.
And, we know there have been worthy prospects the last few years. I suspect an internal battle is brewing over this if it hasn't already begun.

Aww...boo-boo; did you take me off fake ignore?

LMAO

dayum... who is that 10 yr old lookin' goober?

I don't think that most Chiefs fans are willing to give up the prospect of these 10-12 win seasons, even if there isn't a realistic chance at winning anything of consequence.

This is the same argument that has happened on this site for a decade: it's the tug-of-war between people that see wild card flameouts as empty and those that view the pantomime of competitiveness as something not to be trifled with.

Approach the question from the perspective of a bureaucrat: would you rather have a job with extremely high pay and security in perpetuity with little risk, even if you don't achieve goals that will have you recognized at the top of your field, or would you risk losing said job with high salary, if your key evaluation turns out incorrectly?

Alex Smith is a "don't rock the boat, kiss the boss's ass, and hope for the best," pick. It can work, rarely, but it's the kind of chickenshit move made by management the world over. And it's the right move, not because he actually gives you a chance to win anything of consequence, but because most fans are happy enough with 10-6, and are too impatient to undergo a rebuild with both down years and a risk of failure.

Me? Beating Brian Hoyer for your playoff scalp is just as meaningless as 3-13. But I'm not the person tying my identity to Red Friday, treating Arrowhead as a bottomless kegger, and fighting people in the stands over the result of a game.

I understand the Alex Smith trade. It was a win now move from Hunt/Dorsey/Reid because this fan base needed wins after years of Pioli/Cassel. It stabilized the team and allowed them to build depth. Great....thanks for the wins. Now is the time to ditch that buoy and build a team that can actually compete for SBs in the future.

Well, for you and your life, that decision is yours to make.

For me, the season is long.. and the more weeks that I can smile over a win.. the later in the year where I can view KC as relevant.. is pleasing to me.. adds a little something positive throughout the football year.

I can see both sides of this.. but imho, my side is a hell of a lot happier.