Berry to be franchised, Poe to walk: per 810
 

810 reporting from outside sources. Not confirmed by Chiefs.

aLLLLRIGHTY THEN !

Poe was not playing NT as often as people think. He lines up as a DE in the nickel defense, which we play more than half the time.

Howard and a draft pick should be fine.

Jones and Bailey will eat up the majority of the DL reps in the nickel and dime. Two bulls.

right decision, we got the best years out of Poe and a lot of mileage. Sutton rode him like a stud horse if you look at snap counts. Wish him the best, will cheer for him if he goes to the NFC

Bailey has actually been our best run defender on the DL the past 2-3 years. One could easily argue that his return is needed more than Poe's when you lack at how the run defense performed.

Big man with a back injury is hard to justify locking down with an appropriately-sized contract.

The Colts will overpay for Poe.

Yeah but can we sign Berry or we losing him or having a nasty hold out

Sucks to see Poe go but it is the smart decision. The whole Berry situation is going to get very interesting.

There are a lot of teams out there that would gladly take Jones/Bailey/Howard over what they have currently. I would say every team in the AFC West would other than maybe SD with Bosa and their new 4-3.

They just need to give Berry his 64/5 and be done with it. Easy call.

Hate to see Poe go, but he hasnt been the same lately

My guess is we franchise Berry for this year, he holds out late just like he did this year, and we start moving away from him over the season. He walks in free agency next year.

I like the guy and think he's absolutely one of our most important players TODAY, but I'm getting tired of guys getting paid big money in situations like this and regretting it 2 years down the road when they're not producing.

not really shocking. Hate to see Poe go but I think he's gonna get a bigger contract than we'd be comfortable signing.

Figured as much, just get the deal done with Berry so it isn't a distraction.

I guess that comment should be directed at Berry not Dorsey as it appears Dorsey is working at it.

Berry - accept a deal.

I doubt Dorsey is lowballing him too damn hard. He's overpaid a bunch of other guys to be here, I doubt he is too far out of reasonable money.

Sign the contract, man.

Obviously Berry wants to be the highest paid S in the league, if not history... otherwise, I don't understand how they negotiate this long without a deal. Re: Poe. Just think he is going to get a big contract that we can't afford.

There goes our best redzone quarterback!

Andy Benoit, if you don't know him, is one of the best in the business when it comes to outsider film review. Here he outlines all the reasons that Berry is a must-keep:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ability for S to capitalize on being the unblocked defender is critical. Eric Berry was great here in 2016. <a href="https://t.co/bShYW8BIJA">pic.twitter.com/bShYW8BIJA</a></p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/834067445145018375">February 21, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nothing does more for a defense’s schematic versatility than having a 5-tool safety. Eric Berry as good as any in this regard.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/834065647105605632">February 21, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One concern with FA S Berry (though I believe this was aberrational) is he was involved with a few blown coverages in 2016.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/834072756882903042">February 21, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eric Berry’s new contract (barring franchise tag) should set the S market. Best all-around player in league at his position.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/834074958385074177">February 21, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Would be shocked if FA Eric Berry isn’t with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> in 2017. Safety is critical position in KC scheme.</p>&mdash; Andy Benoit (@Andy_Benoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/Andy_Benoit/status/834061399496208384">February 21, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who knows maybe Poe might take a contact like Howard.

Pay a safety $13M a year?

No thanks.

Here’s a fun fact from Albert Breer of The MMQB (on Twitter): the $12.97MM tag for Berry would push him to $73.82MM in career earnings, which means that he would remain the highest paid safety in NFL history on a average per-year basis. Of course, Berry would prefer to keep the mantle of highest-paid safety while also gaining the security of a multi-year deal.

Hungry Pig Walks

I like Poe but business is business and he is not worth what someone else will pay.

I'm good with Dalvin Tomlinson in the draft as a backup to Howard in case he gets injured again.

The Berry situation looks messy and will not end well.

It's going to end with him tagged and traded.

See my above post with Andy Benoit's film review tweets on Berry. Safety, specifically Berry, is very valuable to our scheme.

I also expect him to end up as the highest paid S, so 13M is gonna happen.

I doubt that.

Berry will be another holdout.


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I guess tag Berry - pay Poe is no longer an option...

I wonder if Schefter knows something or if he just ran out of characters...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Other players expected to be tagged by Wednesday deadline include Kirk Cousins, Le&#39;Veon Bell, Kawann Short, Melvin Ingram, Trumaine Johnson.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/836276375799611392">February 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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They aren't letting Berry go this year, one way or another. Hopefully that means they are hell-bent on getting a deal done.

Jesus Christ. JUST PAY HIM.

He's going to be incredibly expensive, but that's because he's incredibly GOOD.

Eat your vegetables, Chiefs. Pay him and tag Poe.

Pay Berry and let Poe walk.

Yeah you can't draw comparisons to Justin Houston in fear of not paying the man. He overcame cancer for god's sake. If he did get hurt it'd just be the luck of the draw and nothing you can control. He's earned a big contract and he's a leader and the heart of the defense with DJ. Give the man his check already.

26 years old... solid player, hmm.

Are we talking about Bowe again?

How are Bowe and Berry in the same conversation?

No. He's damaged goods, chiefs need to cut the emotional hormones bullshit and replace guys that are old or broken....

Is he only 26? I thought he was like 27/28..

Which tag? The one where he can only sign with us, or the one that lets him negotiate with other teams?

EDIT: History says we almost always use the non-exclusive tag. That would allow Berry's agent to work out a deal with say Atlanta. Then we would have one week to match the offer. If not, Atlanta and the Chiefs would have to agree to some form of compensation.

Our line is still better than Denver and Oakland without Poe

hes 28 now, will be 29 by playoffs (late december)

basically paying for his early thirties

Calm the **** down.

I was just being a smartass because so maybe people screamed "just pay him" when Bowe's contract time was coming up.

I don't have a problem with that if Dorsey thinks he's worth it.

Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu and Brian Dawkins all played well into their 30s.

Berry is extremely athletic but his game doesn't rely on speed. Assuming full health, I think he'll be elite into his early-mid thirties.

Our Dline didn't seem that good this year WITH poe.

:shrug:

2 of our starters were kind of on IR...
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Yeah, the dl was having to bring guys off the street by the end of the year, same with the ilb spot.

Wouldn't surprise me if they hit those spots during the draft

For the entire season really, RNR stepped up big time and we all know how beastly Jones is. Even without Poe that's a really solid rotation with Bailey and Howard.

This is why you let Poe Walk: We have a lot of good options under contract.

Allen Bailey Age: 27 Under Contract Through: 2018
Jaye Howard Age: 28 Under Contract Through: 2017
Chris Jones: Age: 22 Under Contract Through: 2019
Rakeem Nunez-Roches Age: 23 Under Contract Through: 2017
Kendall Reyes Age: 27 Under Contract Through: 2017
T.J. Barnes Age: 26 Under Contract Through: 2017

Barnes is still pretty unproven though.

Berry gonna be so mad.

Non-exclusive franchise tag player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.


That way Berry gets to see a true market value and the Chiefs get to match or get to negotiate a trade for draft picks. Maybe Berry won't be so pissed if he sees the offers from other teams. Chiefs will also get to see his league value.

Non exclusive tag is way to go. It is uncharted territory really because it will be a record deal for a safety no matter where he signs. Best case he sees what is out there and the chief's offer was right ballpark.

I agree, he is going to be the highest paid safety in the league no matter where he goes. He may not find that the grass is THAT much greener, but it would also give the Chiefs a chance to see if they're in the ballpark.

One of Andy's old Eagles buddies had an interesting comment about Berry threatening not to play on the tag...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Won&#39;t need to <a href="https://t.co/3rKnyjSQOK">https://t.co/3rKnyjSQOK</a></p>&mdash; Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/836317014603919360">February 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Rumour is the Raiders are looking at Poe... Not trying to start any shit with you pussies of course

Played a ton of snaps more so than most interior lineman. The chiefs squeezed the most they could from him. He will be over paid and deal with a bad back. Have at him.

Sweet Jesus, I hope this report is true.

I've never understood this forum's fascination with Poe. For a guy that is supposedly dominant, he sure gets swallowed up by single blockers a lot - and ends up on his ass a lot as well.

Christ, people here think he's the second coming of Haloti Ngata in his prime.

Nope.

i called this early on. :toast:

best way to go.

I like Poe, but his job was to eat up blockers (allowing LBers to feast) and stop the run. On a team whose weaknesses this past year were ineffective LBers and run defense.

It's sure hard to make the case that he's worth the money.

Add a shit-ton of snaps the last few seasons and a back problem, and it's impossible to make the case, IMO.

Also IMO, part of the reason the run defense sucked was because teams realized they didn't need to double Poe - a single blocker was enough, depending on the interior linemen in question.

In other words, he wasn't eating shit. Certainly not double-teams.

We probably got the best of him.

Lot of quarter pounders

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs making strong push to wrap up deal with S Eric Berry by Wednesday&#39;s tag deadline, per sources. Team determined to keep him in KC.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/836361185968721920">February 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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That's what I'm talking about.

Look for Berry to be signed in the next 2-3 hours

It would be the tits if they got it done

That way no team will get cute with some Poison Pill type contract either because the 2 first round draft picks is looming in the background.

If it's a fair contract that is just more than the Chiefs are will to pay, then the 2 teams will likely negotiate a trade for less than 2 first rounders. If it's a dick move then the Chiefs can just flip them the bird and demand the full tag trade value.

I don't think there is anyway a team will give up a huge contract and 2 first round picks for any safety. So it will have to be a mutually beneficial agreement for all parties.

Where do you get that?

His ass I'm thinking

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> are negotiating a deal with Eric Berry for him to be the highest paid safety in <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL">@NFL</a>, source says. The sides are working hard at it.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/836363623110868994">February 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> lock up Eric Berry -- and they&#39;re trying -- it opens up the possibility of franchise tagging DT Dontari Poe. Could keep both</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/836364026812620800">February 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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If the Chiefs are going to get bentover the negotiation desk by a RG then can you imagine what it going to be like with Berry?

Holy shit! :eek:

Is Berry going to be the highest paid secondary player in the league now @15+ million per?

I really want Berry signed, but I'm worried as hell that we're gonna get bent over the barrel here.

JFC Shut up.

Oh it's going to be big, between 12'and 13 a year probably

It's going to cost a lot guys. Face it. He's the best safety in the NFL.

Wonder how LDT's new deal factors into the Berry negotiations.

Hopefully they aren't tagging Poe unless they're going to tag and trade him.