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KChiefs1 04-26-2017 06:44 PM

Mike Mayock's Mock Draft
 
Live on the NFLN now.

1. Myles Garrett - Cleveland
2. Jamal Adams - San Francisco
3. Marshon Lattimore - Chicago
4. Leonard Fournette - Jacksonville
5. Mitchell Trubisky - Cleveland
6. OJ Howard - Jets
7. Solomon Thomas - Chargers
8. Christian McCaffrey - Carolina
9. Jonathan Allen - Cincinnati
10. Reuben Foster - Buffalo
11. Charles Harris - New Orleans
12. John Ross - Tennessee
13. Marlon Humphrey - Arizona
14. Mike Williams - Philadelphia
15. Derek Barnett - Indianapolis
16. Hassan Reddick - Baltimore
17. Takkarist McKinley - Washington
18. Adoree' Jackson - Tennessee
19. Malik Hooker - Tampa Bay
20. Ryan Ramczyk - Denver
21. Corey Davis - Detroit
22. TJ Watt - Miami
23. Garett Boles - Giants
24. Cam Robinson - Raiders
25. Deshaun Watson - Houston
26. Forrest Lamp - Seattle


27. Dalvin Cook - Chiefs


28. Tre'Davious White - Dallas
29. Alvin Kamara - Green Bay
30. Jordan Willis - Pittsburgh
31. Jabrill Peppers - Atlanta
32. Patrick Mahomes - Arizona



Cleveland trades with Tennessee to move up to 5th.
Tennessee gets their 12th. No other details.

Arizona trades from 45th to 32nd by trading their 3rd round pick.
New Orleans gets Arizona's 2nd round pick(45) & 3rd round pick(77).


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Chief Northman 04-26-2017 07:06 PM

Dalvin Cook can GTFO.

BossChief 04-26-2017 07:11 PM

Dalvin Cook would impact the offense quite a bit, but with Mahomes still on the board, I'd be pretty disappointed in the pick.

cabletech94 04-26-2017 07:14 PM

yeah, i watched that and was just confused. i mean if that's all it takes for 'zona to get him, why wouldnt we take mahomes, then make that same trade for 32 for a 3rd (and of course our 2).

no brainer to me. don't think the draft points are right there, for one.

MahiMike 04-26-2017 07:16 PM

This is funny. He was my pick in the pick em thread.

MahiMike 04-26-2017 07:21 PM

Also live right now on ESPN2 is their draft. Adam Schefter picked Mahomes for us and got GONGED by Bill Polian. He hated that a playoff team would take such a longterm prospect.

Stryker 04-26-2017 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12840982)
Dalvin Cook would impact the offense quite a bit, but with Mahomes still on the board, I'd be pretty disappointed in the pick.

My 2 cents. Mahomes behind A Smith or behind C Palmer? This would ruin PM's future. Take the RB and work on CB, DE, ILB. Oline the rest of the way. This is not a QB driven draft. D Watson is already gone.

BossChief 04-26-2017 07:25 PM

Every time I watch him, I can't help but think it's Jamaal Charles running the ball. Plays just like him...I mean, the pick would grow on me but this is a super deep RB class where a good player can be had in the mid to late rounds.

Cook has shoulder trouble, runs around with thugs and has fumbles too much for a first rounder.

Stryker 04-26-2017 07:25 PM

Also, C West is not happening - he needs to go. Spencer Ware and D Cook would solidify the run game for several years.

Chiefnj2 04-26-2017 07:51 PM

I'd take Mahomes over Cook.

Buckweath 04-26-2017 08:22 PM

I'd bet a ton that Dorsey is not drafting a RB in the 1st round, unless McCaffrey falls as he is the RB who can help tremendously the passing game, on top on being a runner. I'm thinking the Chiefs won't even draft a RB early at all and I'm fine with that.

Coogs 04-26-2017 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 12840996)
My 2 cents. Mahomes behind A Smith or behind C Palmer? This would ruin PM's future. Take the RB and work on CB, DE, ILB. Oline the rest of the way. This is not a QB driven draft. D Watson is already gone.

My 2 cents. If it's Watson, trade up and get him.

Quesadilla Joe 04-26-2017 08:28 PM

Andy Reid has always had a top 5 RB. Westbrook, McCoy, Charles...

Gravedigger 04-26-2017 08:37 PM

I will be behind Dorsey's pick no matter who it is. I have faith in that man in the draft.

Sandy Vagina 04-27-2017 02:32 AM

Wouldn't consider it s great choice, but could learn to love it.. and they could do much worse.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-27-2017 05:54 AM

I hope somewhere in this draft we can pick up a really good OL player. We have a pretty good line now and we need to beef it up.

Unsmooth-Moment 04-27-2017 06:12 AM

I'd be ok with Cook. If Mahomes is still on the board it would be a tough choice though.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 10:37 AM

Cook would be a miserably awful pick. No surplus value and a guy who is, by almost every account, a monumental dickbag.

You can find people saying he has more character concerns than Joe Mixon. Y'know, the guy that flat out knocked a girl out cold.

There's virtually no financial upside and do you realize that his SPARQ score is only slightly better than Lane Johnson's (an offensive tackle) because his broad jump was terrible and his vertical jump was terrible (both of which are excellent measures of initial burst/explosion) and worse still, his 3-cone time was among the worst of any RB as was his 20 yard shuffle.

This guy tested like absolute shit. He has character concerns all over him. He's at a positional that is less valuable in the league right now than a friggen guard as evidenced by the fact that pro-bowl RBs can be had for around $3 million/season on a short term deal.

Dalvin Cook is a terrible selection and honestly, I don't think I'd even take him with our 2nd.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12841000)
Every time I watch him, I can't help but think it's Jamaal Charles running the ball. Plays just like him...I mean, the pick would grow on me but this is a super deep RB class where a good player can be had in the mid to late rounds.

Cook has shoulder trouble, runs around with thugs and has fumbles too much for a first rounder.

Make him a white guy with no dreds and you'd think he was Toby Gerhart. Same number of reps on the bench, much better explosion testing, absolutely wrecks cook in both the shuttle and the 3-cone. His 4.53 40 time was even comparable to Cooks 4.49.

Cook is a bad athlete for a runningback; I don't see how this keeps getting overlooked.

People are letting a guys visual similarities blind them to the fact that this guy couldn't hold Jamaal Charles jock. He's nowhere near the athlete Charles was. The agility, the balance and the explosion just isn't there.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-27-2017 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12841806)
Cook would be a miserably awful pick. No surplus value and a guy who is, by almost every account, a monumental dickbag.

You can find people saying he has more character concerns than Joe Mixon. Y'know, the guy that flat out knocked a girl out cold.

There's virtually no financial upside and do you realize that his SPARQ score is only slightly better than Lane Johnson's (an offensive tackle) because his broad jump was terrible and his vertical jump was terrible (both of which are excellent measures of initial burst/explosion) and worse still, his 3-cone time was among the worst of any RB as was his 20 yard shuffle.

This guy tested like absolute shit. He has character concerns all over him. He's at a positional that is less valuable in the league right now than a friggen guard as evidenced by the fact that pro-bowl RBs can be had for around $3 million/season on a short term deal.

Dalvin Cook is a terrible selection and honestly, I don't think I'd even take him with our 2nd.

But you wanted Mark sanchez so this probably means Cook will be awesome.

ToxSocks 04-27-2017 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12841000)
Every time I watch him, I can't help but think it's Jamaal Charles running the ball. Plays just like him...I mean, the pick would grow on me but this is a super deep RB class where a good player can be had in the mid to late rounds.

Cook has shoulder trouble, runs around with thugs and has fumbles too much for a first rounder.

The only thing this guy has in common with JC is the hair. Their running style is nowhere near the same, and the speed isn't even close.

The guy has a highlight reel of bursting through massive holes and being dragged down from behind. He has a few impressive runs but as DJ pointed out, his SPARQ was absolute garbage.

Dorsey is a SPARQ guy, so Cook won't be a Chief.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-27-2017 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12841810)
Make him a white guy with no dreds and you'd think he was Toby Gerhart. Same number of reps on the bench, much better explosion testing, absolutely wrecks cook in both the shuttle and the 3-cone. His 4.53 40 time was even comparable to Cooks 4.49.

Cook is a bad athlete for a runningback; I don't see how this keeps getting overlooked.

People are letting a guys visual similarities blind them to the fact that this guy couldn't hold Jamaal Charles jock. He's nowhere near the athlete Charles was. The agility, the balance and the explosion just isn't there.


Shaun O'Hara
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Teams will strike gold with either of these two running backs
This is a debate between Dalvin Cook and Christian McCaffrey. Cook is one of the most complete running backs to come through the draft in a long time, while McCaffrey has the explosive, big-play ability. The Stanford product runs it between the tackles, contributes in the screen gam and plays the slot as a receiver. All of this makes him a dangerous player in the right offense. Both of these players can contribute on an NFL team in Week 1.

Heath Evans
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Talent-wise, Dalvin Cook tops my draft board -- even above Garrett
Even before Myles Garrett, the best prospect in this draft class is Dalvin Cook. Many players will go before Cook because of his off-the-field concerns, but he's a sure-fire talent. If you move everything aside and look purely at football talent, he might be the No. 1 player off the board.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12841927)
Shaun O'Hara
Writer | NFL.com
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Teams will strike gold with either of these two running backs
This is a debate between Dalvin Cook and Christian McCaffrey. Cook is one of the most complete running backs to come through the draft in a long time, while McCaffrey has the explosive, big-play ability. The Stanford product runs it between the tackles, contributes in the screen gam and plays the slot as a receiver. All of this makes him a dangerous player in the right offense. Both of these players can contribute on an NFL team in Week 1.

Heath Evans
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Talent-wise, Dalvin Cook tops my draft board -- even above Garrett
Even before Myles Garrett, the best prospect in this draft class is Dalvin Cook. Many players will go before Cook because of his off-the-field concerns, but he's a sure-fire talent. If you move everything aside and look purely at football talent, he might be the No. 1 player off the board.

Heath Evans is the single dumbest person on this entire planet of Earth.

His endorsement of Cook should be all that any of you need to hate that pick.

A RB with lineman athleticism and Evans says he's a #1 overall player. What a moron.

Mecca 04-27-2017 12:29 PM

It's because if you watch him play that test goes out the window at no point in his career that did Cook ever looked like he lacked explosion or speed or bust. The guy literally dominated everyone he played, made a ton of big plays and was a factor in the pass game.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12841900)
But you wanted Mark sanchez so this probably means Cook will be awesome.

I wanted Sanchez instead of Cassel. I was still right.

You still pine for Johnny Manziel, which is pure insanity.

Mecca 04-27-2017 12:32 PM

I've also never heard that Cook is a dick bag I've heard he hangs out with some undesirables but not that he was a dick.

Hog's Gone Fishin 04-27-2017 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12842011)
I wanted Sanchez instead of Cassel. I was still right.

You still pine for Johnny Manziel, which is pure insanity.

Manziels not done. Browns wrecked him but he escaped. Chapter II coming soon.

ToxSocks 04-27-2017 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 12842015)
I've also never heard that Cook is a dick bag I've heard he hangs out with some undesirables but not that he was a dick.

A person's sphere of influence absolutely matters. The company you keep says a lot about a person. And yes, i've read that he has some character concerns as well.

staylor26 04-27-2017 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 12842006)
It's because if you watch him play that test goes out the window at no point in his career that did Cook ever looked like he lacked explosion or speed or bust. The guy literally dominated everyone he played, made a ton of big plays and was a factor in the pass game.

I've been watching Cook since HS and I agree with this.

KChiefs1 04-27-2017 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12841806)
Cook would be a miserably awful pick. No surplus value and a guy who is, by almost every account, a monumental dickbag.

You can find people saying he has more character concerns than Joe Mixon. Y'know, the guy that flat out knocked a girl out cold.

There's virtually no financial upside and do you realize that his SPARQ score is only slightly better than Lane Johnson's (an offensive tackle) because his broad jump was terrible and his vertical jump was terrible (both of which are excellent measures of initial burst/explosion) and worse still, his 3-cone time was among the worst of any RB as was his 20 yard shuffle.

This guy tested like absolute shit. He has character concerns all over him. He's at a positional that is less valuable in the league right now than a friggen guard as evidenced by the fact that pro-bowl RBs can be had for around $3 million/season on a short term deal.

Dalvin Cook is a terrible selection and honestly, I don't think I'd even take him with our 2nd.


What about Alvin Kamara?


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MahiMike 04-27-2017 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12841000)
Every time I watch him, I can't help but think it's Jamaal Charles running the ball. Plays just like him...I mean, the pick would grow on me but this is a super deep RB class where a good player can be had in the mid to late rounds.

Cook has shoulder trouble, runs around with thugs and has fumbles too much for a first rounder.

Yep, thought the same. Difference is character. JC was special.

Sandy Vagina 04-27-2017 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 12842006)
It's because if you watch him play that test goes out the window at no point in his career that did Cook ever looked like he lacked explosion or speed or bust. The guy literally dominated everyone he played, made a ton of big plays and was a factor in the pass game.

Also agree, and I'm not even a Cook to KC fan. The test results can ultimately confirm or contrast a player's tape. In this case, they contrast, and I believe the winner of that battle is the tape.

O.city 04-27-2017 01:17 PM

No first round running backs.

ToxSocks 04-27-2017 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 12842006)
It's because if you watch him play that test goes out the window at no point in his career that did Cook ever looked like he lacked explosion or speed or bust. The guy literally dominated everyone he played, made a ton of big plays and was a factor in the pass game.

Sure, he certainly made big plays and looks like he has good burst. He also had huge holes to run through and was caught from behind quite a bit.

So it begs the question, why did he do so miserably at the combine?

ToxSocks 04-27-2017 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12842090)
Also agree, and I'm not even a Cook to KC fan. The test results can ultimately confirm or contrast a player's tape. In this case, they contrast, and I believe the winner of that battle is the tape.

You don't just pick a winner. If it contrasts then you ask why, and re-evaluate.

Sandy Vagina 04-27-2017 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12842123)
You don't just pick a winner. If it contrasts then you ask why, and re-evaluate.

well of course... and in doing so, the look back shows that the test results lose.

Fansy the Famous Bard 04-27-2017 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12842128)
well of course... and in doing so, the look back shows that the test results lose.

The results don't have to lose, or win for that matter. Instead they factor into the decision of where it's worth taking him. It's just not as simple as one or the other.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12842063)
What about Alvin Kamara?


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Leonard Fournette wouldn't even be a good pick.

You do not take 1st round RBs in this era unless they are a once every 5 years kind of talent; someone who with a little health and some luck could build a HoF resume.

There isn't one of those in this draft.

I'd take Kamara in the 2nd and at this point I'm pretty sure I'd take him ahead of Cook. I would not take either of them in the 1st. Or any other back in this class.

O.city 04-27-2017 01:43 PM

McCaffrey in the first for me

Fansy the Famous Bard 04-27-2017 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12842146)
Leonard Fournette wouldn't even be a good pick.

You do not take 1st round RBs in this era unless they are a once every 5 years kind of talent; someone who with a little health and some luck could build a HoF resume.

There isn't one of those in this draft.

I'd take Kamara in the 2nd and at this point I'm pretty sure I'd take him ahead of Cook. I would not take either of them in the 1st. Or any other back in this class.

There are several positions I'd take that approach with. RB, inside linebacker, interior o-Line, and arguably safety as well... There just happens to be an Inside Linebacker I'd take in the first round this year in Foster (and there is a possibility he slips to 20 or so).

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12842128)
well of course... and in doing so, the look back shows that the test results lose.

If it's one test - sure.

They ALL suck. He can't jump, he can't cut, his shuttle times blow. Those are heavy HEAVY legs. And normally "he plays faster than he times" is just a scout's excuse to follow pre-conceived notions. Very few players actually do that.

Speed on the stopwatch, for most players, is a very fair approximation of their speed on the field and if you're watching them roast people and it belies every measurement you have, it's more likely that they are simply beating up on weaklings or are products of superior teammates than it is that they simply aren't effected by a few ounces of pads as much as everyone else is.

Cook's a shorter Latavius Murray. I do not believe he'd be an upgrade on Spencer Ware.

ToxSocks 04-27-2017 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12842128)
well of course... and in doing so, the look back shows that the test results lose.


I don't believe it's an either/or thing here.

When i watch him i see a guy with good burst and so-so top end speed. He's a hard guy to gauge because a lot of his big plays come from massive holes in the defense, holes that ANY NFL caliber back would be expected to burst through. On a lot of those runs though, he gets caught from behind which would suggest he lacks that vertical speed, just as his SPARQ suggests.

He's got good hands and he's difficult to tackle around the legs.

His SPARQ suggests that he's not an agile player and he lacks top end speed.

I think that's evident when you watch him play.

ToxSocks 04-27-2017 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12842146)
Leonard Fournette wouldn't even be a good pick.

You do not take 1st round RBs in this era unless they are a once every 5 years kind of talent; someone who with a little health and some luck could build a HoF resume.

There isn't one of those in this draft.

I'd take Kamara in the 2nd and at this point I'm pretty sure I'd take him ahead of Cook. I would not take either of them in the 1st. Or any other back in this class.

I wouldn't take Fournette either. Big bruiser type backs generally have a short shelf life.

Fansy the Famous Bard 04-27-2017 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12842157)
I wouldn't take Fournette either. Big bruiser type backs generally have a short shelf life.

I'd go as far as to say all backs have a short shelf life in the current era.

MahiMike 04-27-2017 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12842146)
Leonard Fournette wouldn't even be a good pick.

You do not take 1st round RBs in this era unless they are a once every 5 years kind of talent; someone who with a little health and some luck could build a HoF resume.

There isn't one of those in this draft.

I'd take Kamara in the 2nd and at this point I'm pretty sure I'd take him ahead of Cook. I would not take either of them in the 1st. Or any other back in this class.

Disagree here. I think Fournette is the next Adrian Peterson. Dude's a beast.

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12842172)
Disagree here. I think Fournette is the next Adrian Peterson. Dude's a beast.

Many agree with you.

I see a guy that made a lot of highlights by truck-sticking safeties. And if he gets 7 yards and a head of steam, he'll get to do that a time or two in the NFL as well. But more likely than not he's going to present a big damn target for LBs to smack into and he's going to find a hell of a lot more Chancellors and Berry's out there in defensive backfields that aren't going to be the nail to his hammer. They'll come up and knock him the **** out.

Buehler445 04-27-2017 02:14 PM

RB. What?

I don't want a guy that's only good for 5 years with a 1st.

Buehler445 04-27-2017 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 12840995)
Also live right now on ESPN2 is their draft. Adam Schefter picked Mahomes for us and got GONGED by Bill Polian. He hated that a playoff team would take such a longterm prospect.

Polian is an arrogant ****bag. He fell assholes over elbows into a HOF QB who if he was half a talent evaluator he'd have built a team that would get to Super Bowls. But nope. He was too ****ing stupid to fire Dungy, draft defense, or do anything else a capable GM could do.

Finally he fell ass backwards into a SB win so he can act like a ****ing jerk because he engineered a team that won it all.

**** him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12841810)
Make him a white guy with no dreds and you'd think he was Toby Gerhart. Same number of reps on the bench, much better explosion testing, absolutely wrecks cook in both the shuttle and the 3-cone. His 4.53 40 time was even comparable to Cooks 4.49.

Cook is a bad athlete for a runningback; I don't see how this keeps getting overlooked.

People are letting a guys visual similarities blind them to the fact that this guy couldn't hold Jamaal Charles jock. He's nowhere near the athlete Charles was. The agility, the balance and the explosion just isn't there.

So.....Trent Richardson?

DJ's left nut 04-27-2017 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12842232)
So.....Trent Richardson?

Nah - Richardson actively avoided holes in the line. I've never seen anyone better at taking a 7 yard gain and turning it into a rugby scrum at the LOS. Trent Richardson was what you'd get if you took Dalvin Cook's athleticism and gave him Knile Davis's vision.

And I'll be honest - I missed on Trent Richardson BADLY. I really thought he'd be better than he was. He was yet another guy that pushed me further down the 'no RBs in the first round' road. And unlike Cook, Richardson actually demonstrated a ton of power in college but because he couldn't get moving he could never show it in the pros.

Richardson is the worst case scenario for Fournette.

I do not think Cook will be actively bad because he does appear to have nice vision and good hands. I just think he'll be forgettable. He'll be somewhere in that Melvin Gordon tier of RBs; a 3.8-4 YPC guy who can chip in another 40 receptions for 350 yards.

I look at Dalvin Cook and ask myself if there's anything that I see to suggest that he's a better player than Isaiah Crowell and my answer is no. Crowell went undrafted, gents.

You do not spend a 1st round pick on a RB. You just don't.

Fansy the Famous Bard 04-27-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12842251)
Nah - Richardson actively avoided holes in the line. I've never seen anyone better at taking a 7 yard gain and turning it into a rugby scrum at the LOS. Trent Richardson was what you'd get if you took Dalvin Cook's athleticism and gave him Knile Davis's vision.

And I'll be honest - I missed on Trent Richardson BADLY. I really thought he'd be better than he was. He was yet another guy that pushed me further down the 'no RBs in the first round' road. And unlike Cook, Richardson actually demonstrated a ton of power in college but because he couldn't get moving he could never show it in the pros.

Richardson is the worst case scenario for Fournette.

I do not think Cook will be actively bad because he does appear to have nice vision and good hands. I just think he'll be forgettable. He'll be somewhere in that Melvin Gordon tier of RBs; a 3.8-4 YPC guy who can chip in another 40 receptions for 350 yards.

I look at Dalvin Cook and ask myself if there's anything that I see to suggest that he's a better player than Isaiah Crowell and my answer is no. Crowell went undrafted, gents.

You do not spend a 1st round pick on a RB. You just don't.

Unless, of course, you're wanting that fifth year of control.

... sorry, couldn't resist. :D

Sandy Vagina 04-27-2017 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 12842145)
The results don't have to lose, or win for that matter. Instead they factor into the decision of where it's worth taking him. It's just not as simple as one or the other.

Yeah, good point, but it falls into that unspoken obvious though. It's all about that perception of value.


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