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pugsnotdrugs19 07-06-2017 03:01 PM

Chiefs re-sign Josh Mauga, cut P Will Monday
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have placed Will Monday (P) on waivers. <br><br>We have signed Free Agents Josh Mauga (LB) and Steven Terrell (S). <a href="https://t.co/LhrfNEieeh">pic.twitter.com/LhrfNEieeh</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/883067644601094146">July 6, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It appears that Colquitt will in fact be sticking around for another year, and Mauga comes back as some potential depth. They also signed Steven Terrell, former safety of the Seattle Seahawks.

More significantly, who made this move is a ? considering we don't have a true GM right now.

jjchieffan 07-06-2017 03:08 PM

That's disappointing about Monday. I thought that he had a really good shot at replacing Colquitt and freeing up some cap room. They could have at least kept him through camp and given him a chance to compete.

Baby Lee 07-06-2017 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12946283)
That's disappointing about Monday.

Yeah, that was my fun day, my I don't have to run day.

DJ's left nut 07-06-2017 03:10 PM

Hurray! Another year of overpaying a !@#$ing punter and then bitching about cap space!

jjchieffan 07-06-2017 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12946285)
Yeah, that was my fun day, my I don't have to run day.

Just another Manic Monday. Wish it was Sunday

raybec 4 07-06-2017 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12946285)
Yeah, that was my fun day, my I don't have to run day.

Susanna was singing directly to me (in my mind anyway)

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Rain Man 07-06-2017 03:16 PM

It sounds like Mauga may be competing with Colquitt for the punter spot.

ptlyon 07-06-2017 03:18 PM

I always wanted to know Will Monday what

scho63 07-06-2017 03:19 PM

Tell me why I don't like Monday's

patteeu 07-06-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12946277)
https://twitter.com/chiefs/status/883067644601094146

My apologies for not being able to embed at the moment. It appears that Colquitt will in fact be sticking around for another year, and Mauga comes back as some potential depth. They also signed Steven Terrell, former safety of the Seattle Seahawks.

More significantly, who made this move is a ? considering we don't have a true GM right now.

Who is P Will and why did it take 3 days for this news to reach us? :)

KCUnited 07-06-2017 03:22 PM

Monday, can't trust that guy.

Pitt Gorilla 07-06-2017 03:24 PM

Why wait until Monday to cut the punter?

TLO 07-06-2017 03:26 PM

Got the club going up... On a.... Monday?

fan4ever 07-06-2017 03:26 PM

Monday will never be the same.

RunKC 07-06-2017 03:33 PM

I trust Mauga more than March or Wilson. He's slow but he is very needed in run support.

Rain Man 07-06-2017 03:34 PM

I don't care if Monday's blue
Tuesday's gray and Wednesday too
Thursday I don't care about you
It's Colquitt I'm in love (from a football perspective, of course).

Halfcan 07-06-2017 03:35 PM

So the Chiefs will still have the slowest player in the NFL on their roster- great news.

Dorsey would have found better off the scrap pile. Thanks Clark.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 03:35 PM

I hope the Mauga signing didn't happen because DJ's behind on his recovery schedule

Tribal Warfare 07-06-2017 03:36 PM

No cuts the MVP

vailpass 07-06-2017 03:52 PM

Not that it means anything but I sat next to Mauga's grandparents at a KC-AZ preseason game and they were very nice people.

jettio 07-06-2017 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12946277)
https://twitter.com/chiefs/status/883067644601094146

My apologies for not being able to embed at the moment. It appears that Colquitt will in fact be sticking around for another year, and Mauga comes back as some potential depth. They also signed Steven Terrell, former safety of the Seattle Seahawks.

More significantly, who made this move is a ? considering we don't have a true GM right now.

Maybe Dustin is the acting GM?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-06-2017 04:13 PM

Steve Terrell is one of the worst DBs of all-time. Seattle's secondary tanked because of him. He was awful in college as well.

Halfcan 07-06-2017 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 12946341)
Not that it means anything but I sat next to Mauga's grandparents at a KC-AZ preseason game and they were very nice people.

I bet they can beat him in a footrace. :)

penbrook 07-06-2017 04:50 PM

Why the **** is Mauga back!!

penbrook 07-06-2017 04:54 PM

Who's the interim gm? How are we making moves without a gm

Buns 07-06-2017 05:12 PM

We sure Dorsey is gone? Because these seem like Dorsey moves

Halfcan 07-06-2017 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12946428)
Who's the interim gm? How are we making moves without a gm


Monday must have parked in Clark's spot or something??



Clark sent a text to Andy: Who's pos Corolla is parked in my spot?

Andy text back: Let me check.

Andy: Monday, Sir.

Clark: Not on Monday you fat ****- today!!

Andy: I meant, Will Monday.

Clark: Who the **** is Will Monday?

Andy: A punter, Sir.

Clark: We have a ****ing punter, cut that mother ****er and tow his pos car out of here. Sending security now to throw him off Arrowhead property.

Andy: But he brings in doughnuts every Friday.... oh and we need camp competition.

Clark: You don't need any more doughnuts, you can't even see your own dick now. And we don't need 2 ****ing punters. Fire him or clean out your desk!!

Andy: Yes sir.

Andy: Can we at least wait until Friday- he brings the ones with the sprinkles that I like.

Clark: Do I really need to answer that you dumb ****?

Andy: No, sir.

20 minutes later.

Andy: About Will Monday- so you were saying you want me to fire him today or wait until Monday?

Clark: JFC I am already late for a pedicure because Monday was in my spot. Fire his ass now you idiot!!!

Andy: Yes, Sir.

ToxSocks 07-06-2017 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buns (Post 12946457)
We sure Dorsey is gone? Because these seem like Dorsey moves

They seem like wannabe-Dorsey moves.

Deberg_1990 07-06-2017 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12946283)
That's disappointing about Monday. I thought that he had a really good shot at replacing Colquitt and freeing up some cap room. They could have at least kept him through camp and given him a chance to compete.

Alex Smith needs the best damn punter in the business. Its a ferocious combo

mcaj22 07-06-2017 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buns (Post 12946457)
We sure Dorsey is gone? Because these seem like Dorsey moves

These actually seem like Andy Reid moves

Dorsey cut bait with Mauga long ago, Dorsey had no remorse for his mistakes.

Rain Man 07-06-2017 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12946428)
Who's the interim gm? How are we making moves without a gm

Maybe Clark is letting one of his kids do it. Is it 'take your daughter to work' day?

BlackOp 07-06-2017 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12946512)
These actually seem like Andy Reid moves

Dorsey cut bait with Mauga long ago, Dorsey had no remorse for his mistakes.

That what I thought too...Monday was brought in to compete with Colquitt. They would save $4 mill by cutting him. Mauga is a familiar face...

Colquitt's contract expires after this season...Chiefs just gave him a $4.8 million parting gift.

Reid didn't want anymore vets cut this off-season...and added one back.

He's called a "player's coach" for a reason...

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12946512)
Dorsey cut bait with Mauga long ago, Dorsey had no remorse for his mistakes.

What?

Mauga was placed on Injured Reserve on August 30th, 2016.

More revisionist history.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12946631)
That what I thought too

You thought wrong

pugsnotdrugs19 07-06-2017 07:50 PM

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion just yet that this was a remorseful move by Reid.

This roster isn't exactly stacked at the ILB position. And for all we know, DJ may not be on the same track to return that he was previously. Hopefully that isn't the case.

Mauga has very slim odds to make the team regardless.

Marcellus 07-06-2017 07:53 PM

Maybe Dorsey wasn't doing much of the work after all.:evil:

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12946648)
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion just yet that this was a remorseful move by Reid.

This roster isn't exactly stacked at the ILB position. And for all we know, DJ may not be on the same track to return that he was previously. Hopefully that isn't the case.

Mauga has very slim odds to make the team regardless.


I can't believe that people are freaking out because Mauga was signed to the 90 man roster.

:facepalm:

As I stated earlier, I hope this signing isn't tied to DJ's recovery but most likely, they're just covering their bases with a guy that knows the system and that can help out Wilson, Alexander, March and Eligwe.

pugsnotdrugs19 07-06-2017 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12946653)
I can't believe that people are freaking out because Mauga was signed to the 90 man roster.

:facepalm:

As I stated earlier, I hope this signing isn't tied to DJ's recovery but most likely, they're just covering their bases with a guy that knows the system and that can help out Wilson, Alexander, March and Eligwe.

I wonder how Dadi Nicolas' outlook is for this season. Right now, I see us keeping 10 LBs to start the season as usual. I think 5 will be ILBs (DJ, Wilson, Alexander, Eligwe, March), with 5 OLBs (Houston, Ford, Hali, Zombo, Nicolas).

But I'd guess that Nicolas is a prime PUP candidate. There should be some serious competition to fill out the back of the OLB depth during preseason.

BlackOp 07-06-2017 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12946646)
You thought wrong

Then why bother cutting a punter before training camp? Colquitt has played his entire 12 year career for KC...Reid wasnt going to dirty him in his final season. Dorsey was testing the waters...a year in advance.

hometeam 07-06-2017 08:27 PM

I dont understand the hate for Colquitt.. he was team mvp for 6-8 years running, still one of the best punters in the league, maybe of all time, and we are talking about literally less than 3% of the cap.

I feel like im taking crazy pills here

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12946682)
Then why bother cutting a punter before training camp? Colquitt has played his entire 12 year career for KC...Reid wasnt going to dirty him in his final season. Dorsey was testing the waters...a year in advance.

Just stop.

Guys are signed and cut all year long. The Chiefs made four transactions today, alone.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12946665)
I wonder how Dadi Nicolas' outlook is for this season.

No idea but I'd be surprised if he didn't start the season on the PUP.

penbrook 07-06-2017 08:35 PM

DJ has said he will be ready by training camp

BlackOp 07-06-2017 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12946691)
Just stop.

Guys are signed and cut all year long. The Chiefs made four transactions today, alone.

and with it...guaranteed the job for their longest tenured player. I like Colquitt and happy for him. It shows Goodwill by the Chiefs too.. A $5 million punter is stupid though....even for a career Chief. It's not my money...so dont care, KC doesn't need any more cap relief this season.

Colquitt is paid twice as much as the 10th highest paid punter. If Dorsey were still GM..Im willing to bet Monday would still be on the team.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12946712)
If Dorsey were still GM..Im willing to bet Monday would still be on the team.

Nonsense.

Dorsey cut Maclin on June 2, just after the final offseason practice.

If he was going to cut Colquitt, it would have been then, not in the dead period.

JakeF 07-06-2017 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12946286)
Hurray! Another year of overpaying a !@#$ing punter and then bitching about cap space!

Dorsey is always overpaying people and screwing up the cap. They should really fire that guy.

:cuss:

BlackOp 07-06-2017 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12946735)
Nonsense.

Dorsey cut Maclin on June 2, just after the final offseason practice.

If he was going to cut Colquitt, it would have been then, not in the dead period.

I honestly think Dorsey held on to Maclin throughout OTAs due him getting married...and being close to Reid. You cant fire the guy while he's planning all that life shit and ruin it. Slippery slope...there are actual human beings in the locker room.

Dorsey wouldnt just cut the longest tenured Chief before his rookie replacement had the opportunity to prove himself.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2017 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12946807)
I honestly think Dorsey held on to Maclin throughout OTAs due him getting married...and being close to Reid. You cant fire the guy while he's planning all that life shit and ruin it. Slippery slope...there are actual human beings in the locker room.

Dorsey wouldnt just cut the longest tenured Chief before his rookie replacement had the opportunity to prove himself.

Silly conjecture.

You go from he's a "Ninja GM" to being a "kind hearted soul".

Dude.

BlackOp 07-06-2017 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12946820)
Silly conjecture.

You go from he's a "Ninja GM" to being a "kind hearted soul".

Dude.

Not at all...purely office politics. How would it look to fire him right before his wedding...then have Reid+several current players in attendance? I'm sure the mood would be fantastic.

He fired Trip MacCracken in May...he knew the cap situation.

I would go as far to say...he had been planning on releasing him since winter. It was a touchy situation. They were shopping him...and signed Logan to a fully guaranteed 8 million contract. You dont make that move without an understanding of where the money is coming from. Maclin's wedding was unfortunate timing...and Monday being at OTAs was, in part, an attempt of solving the cap puzzle. IMO...

Steron 07-07-2017 07:20 AM

I guess Andy didn't have a case of the Mondays.

JakeF 07-07-2017 07:23 AM

A slow linebacker who is a poor tackler. Fantastic.

ottawa_chiefs_fan 07-07-2017 10:12 AM

Can we please just devolve this into an Alex Smith thread and be done with it!?!? The anticipation is killing me!!

penbrook 07-07-2017 10:51 AM

Willie Mcginest ranked the top linebacker group in the NFL and the Chiefs are #2.

saphojunkie 07-07-2017 11:07 AM

I have no problem with this.

raybec 4 07-07-2017 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12946822)
Not at all...purely office politics. How would it look to fire him right before his wedding...then have Reid+several current players in attendance? I'm sure the mood would be fantastic.

He fired Trip MacCracken in May...he knew the cap situation.

I would go as far to say...he had been planning on releasing him since winter. It was a touchy situation. They were shopping him...and signed Logan to a fully guaranteed 8 million contract. You dont make that move without an understanding of where the money is coming from. Maclin's wedding was unfortunate timing...and Monday being at OTAs was, in part, an attempt of solving the cap puzzle. IMO...

You're not looking at the big picture. Dorsey only waited until June 2 because he attended the Bilderberg meeting where the Jesuits decide the fate of the entire world along with the outcome of every NFL game. Once Dorsey learned the Chiefs would not be allowed to win the Super Bowl he cut Maclin so he could catch on with a team who needed him.

Clark fired Dorsey because at the Bilderberg meeting he refused to perform the Jesuit ritual child sacrifice. That's what knocked the Chiefs out of the Super Bowl running.


Stay Woke man, I expected a little more from a varsity letter man.

BlackHelicopters 07-07-2017 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12947176)
Willie Mcginest ranked the top linebacker group in the NFL and the Chiefs are #2.

Heh

JakeF 07-07-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12946822)
Not at all...purely office politics. How would it look to fire him right before his wedding...then have Reid+several current players in attendance? I'm sure the mood would be fantastic.

He fired Trip MacCracken in May...he knew the cap situation.

I would go as far to say...he had been planning on releasing him since winter. It was a touchy situation. They were shopping him...and signed Logan to a fully guaranteed 8 million contract. You dont make that move without an understanding of where the money is coming from. Maclin's wedding was unfortunate timing...and Monday being at OTAs was, in part, an attempt of solving the cap puzzle. IMO...

Dorsey is ultimately responsible but it was MacCracken who wrote the poorly structured contracts for the Chiefs. MacCracken wrote the contracts for the players that Reid said he wanted. Dorsey was sort of stuck in the middle without much power to change certain things.

Reid demands the player, Player's Agent demands money etc and MacCracken writes the contract to give both what they wanted. Dorsey plans the draft and finds the cheap, hidden gems in free agency. Tell me again who's responsible for us being up against the cap every year?

BlackOp 07-07-2017 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12947267)
Dorsey is ultimately responsible but it was MacCracken who wrote the poorly structured contracts for the Chiefs. MacCracken wrote the contracts for the players that Reid said he wanted. Dorsey was sort of stuck in the middle without much power to change certain things.


That is what I think happened....and led to a dysfunctional situation.

I dont think Dorsey really wanted to resign Berry and Hunt/Reid forced his hand. He was a hold over from the Pioli days and was the last wave of massive rookie contracts. If people are being honest....his performance was worth 50% of his salary prior to last season. KC had 4-5 good safeties and didn't really miss a beat when Berry went down. Word is that Berry has a lot of animosity towards Dorsey...probably because he didn't want to resign him. Hunt had to do the deal...

I think Reid forced the Maclin deal and was the one caught tampering. That was an Andy signing. It led to a 500 yard, $10 million dollar WR that was emotionally vacant last year.

If you are the GM yet dont have complete control of your roster decisions...it would be frustrating. I think Trip was a patsy...and I'm wondering if the Logan signing, which was almost 100% guaranteed, wasn't a passive/aggressive move on Dorsey's part. A kind of "**** you", this is the player I want. They knew their cap situation...it's the guys (trips) full-time job. It forced them to cut Maclin...which Reid wouldn't have allowed unless it was absolutely necessary. Which kind of makes sense with the awkward way his release went down..

Just a theory...but I think Hunt fired him for manipulating the cap to force Maclin out. Reid was pissed...and Trip took the partial blame. I think Dorsey was sick of being forced to sign expensive players he didn't think were in the best future interest of the team...and Colquitt was next.

Bowser 07-07-2017 01:03 PM

Meh

JakeF 07-07-2017 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12947291)
That is what I think happened....and led to a dysfunctional situation.

I dont think Dorsey really wanted to resign Berry and Hunt/Reid forced his hand. He was a hold over from the Pioli days and was the last wave of massive rookie contracts. If people are being honest....his performance was worth 50% of his salary prior to last season. KC had 4-5 good safeties and didn't really miss a beat when Berry went down. Word is that Berry has a lot of animosity towards Dorsey...probably because he didn't want to resign him. Hunt had to do the deal...

I think Reid forced the Maclin deal and was the one caught tampering. That was an Andy signing. It led to a 500 yard, $10 million dollar WR that was emotionally vacant last year.

If you are the GM yet dont have complete control of your roster...it would be frustrating. I think Trip was a patsy...and I'm wondering if the Logan signing, which was almost 100% guaranteed, wasn't a passive/aggressive move on Dorsey's part. A kind of "**** you", this is the player I want. They knew their cap situation...it's the guys (trips) full-time job. It forced them to cut Maclin...which Reid wouldn't have allowed unless it was absolutely necessary. Which kind of makes sense with the awkward way his release went down..

Just a theory...but I think Hunt fired him for manipulating the cap to force Maclin out. Reid was pissed...and Trip took the fall. I think Dorsey was sick of being forced to sign expensive players he didn't think were in the best interest of the team...and Colquitt was next.

I don't know but it was certainly a strange situation. I know that Reid prefers to keep "his" guys even if they aren't really the best choice anymore. The fact that Reid signed an extension on the same day that they announced his firing was a big '**** you' message to Dorsey. Reid forced the issue and Hunt chose Reid over Dorsey. I said it once before, Clark Hunt kept the man who wanted Alex Smith and fired the man who drafted Pat Mahomes.

This was about power and Reid has almost all of it. Hunt is Reid's bitch now and so is whoever gets hired as the new GM.

BlackOp 07-07-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12947314)

This was about power and Reid has almost all of it. Hunt is Reid's bitch now and so is whoever gets hired as the new GM.

Yep...and Dorsey didnt appreciate being a lacky on big contract decisions.. He was quasi-GM/super scout from the start.

DaneMcCloud 07-07-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12947267)
Dorsey is ultimately responsible but it was MacCracken who wrote the poorly structured contracts for the Chiefs. MacCracken wrote the contracts for the players that Reid said he wanted. Dorsey was sort of stuck in the middle without much power to change certain things.

Reid demands the player, Player's Agent demands money etc and MacCracken writes the contract to give both what they wanted. Dorsey plans the draft and finds the cheap, hidden gems in free agency. Tell me again who's responsible for us being up against the cap every year?

Wut

DaneMcCloud 07-07-2017 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12947349)
Yep...and Dorsey didnt appreciate being a lacky on big contract decisions.. He was quasi-GM from the start.

:rolleyes:

BlackOp 07-07-2017 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12947352)
:rolleyes:

Reid is still here and Dorsey is gone....that says everything you need to know about the who wore the actual pants.

If Reid wanted Dorsey to stay...he would still be in KC.

DaneMcCloud 07-07-2017 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12947355)
Reid is still here and Dorsey is gone....that says everything you need to know about the who wore the actual pants.

If Reid wanted Dorsey to stay...he would still be in KC.

Good ****ing god

BlackOp 07-07-2017 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12947366)
Good ****ing god

You really think if Reid declined his extension unless Dorsey remained GM...that Hunt would let them both walk?

Reid was most definitely on board with his firing...this is Andy's team now.

JakeF 07-07-2017 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12947355)
Reid is still here and Dorsey is gone....that says everything you need to know about the who wore the actual pants.

If Reid wanted Dorsey to stay...he would still be in KC.

Absolutely. Andy Reid was negotiating a contract with Hunt at the time. All Andy Reid had to do was tell Hunt that he wanted Dorsey to stay and it would have been done. No way Hunt loses both Reid and Dorsey.

We will never know, but I think that Andy Reid was ok with Dorsey being fired. Reid might have even voiced displeasure with the way Dorsey did his job which would have increased the chances of Hunt deciding to fire Dorsey. Maybe Reid was so pissed about Dorsey cutting Maclin that he told Hunt that he wouldn't agree to a new contract unless Dorsey was gone. That would certainly fit with why Reid signed on the same day as Dorsey was fired.

Reid had all the leverage and Dorsey is gone, end of story.

BlackOp 07-07-2017 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12947392)
Absolutely. Andy Reid was negotiating a contract with Hunt at the time. All Andy Reid had to do was tell Hunt that he wanted Dorsey to stay and it would have been done. No way Hunt loses both Reid and Dorsey.

We will never know, but I think that Andy Reid was ok with Dorsey being fired. Reid might have even voiced displeasure with the way Dorsey did his job which would have increased the chances of Hunt deciding to fire Dorsey. Maybe Reid was so pissed about Dorsey cutting Maclin that he told Hunt that he wouldn't agree to a new contract unless Dorsey was gone. That would certainly fit with why Reid signed on the same day as Dorsey was fired.

Reid had all the leverage and Dorsey is gone, end of story.

And some shit definitely went down...The wanting too much money..or the GB out clause doesn't fit the unprecedented timing of his firing nor letting his replacement walk in the process.

saphojunkie 07-07-2017 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12947349)
Yep...and Dorsey didnt appreciate being a lacky on big contract decisions.. He was quasi-GM/super scout from the start.

Why would any of them give a ****? They all have virtually no real responsibility, since the league is rigged.

DaneMcCloud 07-07-2017 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12947392)
Absolutely. Andy Reid was negotiating a contract with Hunt at the time.

Wrong.

Andy Reid's agent was negotiating the contract.

JFC.

COchief 07-07-2017 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12947366)
Good ****ing god

Whether the poster is a moron or not, a pinch of logic and deductive reasoning makes his post tough to argue against.

DaneMcCloud 07-07-2017 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COchief (Post 12947480)
Whether the poster is a moron or not, a pinch of logic and deductive reasoning makes his post tough to argue against.

Except for the fact that everyone from Mellinger to Paylor to Albert Breer and Jason La Canfora have stated that Andy Reid had absolutely nothing to do with Dorsey's dismissal.

Reportedly, Andy Reid hasn't been a part of the interview process, either. It's been Mark Donovan and Clark Hunt, only.

It's just another of his silly conspiracy theories.

DaneMcCloud 07-07-2017 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12947445)
And some shit definitely went down...The wanting too much money..or the GB out clause doesn't fit the unprecedented timing of his firing nor letting his replacement walk in the process.

This is contrary to every report published by national and local reporters.

Everything isn't a conspiracy.

stumppy 07-07-2017 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12947487)
This is contrary to every report published by national and local reporters.

Everything isn't a conspiracy.

You might as well tell him the sky isn't blue.

BlackHelicopters 07-07-2017 04:18 PM

Reid can coach. Reid can't GM. Declining years lurk.

COchief 07-07-2017 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12947485)
Except for the fact that everyone from Mellinger to Paylor to Albert Breer and Jason La Canfora have stated that Andy Reid had absolutely nothing to do with Dorsey's dismissal.

Reportedly, Andy Reid hasn't been a part of the interview process, either. It's been Mark Donovan and Clark Hunt, only.

It's just another of his silly conspiracy theories.

I hear you, but also especially in your line of work you know that could all be PR polishing turds. A lot of big deals come down to trivial power struggles, I am warming up to the idea that Andy may be a bit of an egomaniac. One thing I hate about the NFL is you never seem to get the real story even years after the fact, take the Pioli shit show for example, years after the fact no one ever talks about Haley, internal reaction to the banner, or in general the crap that went on around there.

Tough to argue that with Reid's record and reputation that he couldn't save or essentially fire Dorsey, I doubt we'll ever really know the full reasons behind the June GM firing, my personal opinion is that Dorse was grating on a day to day basis and was disrespectful during the negotiation process and got too big for his britches and Clark ended up giving him a reality check. Shitty decision or not, I understand an owner of an NFL team telling a GM to fly a kite if he stepped over the line which even hinting about wanting to be involved with GB absolutely qualifies for in my opinion. I also always thought from day 1 that Dorsey came across as an annoying jackass in press conferences and what not, something about his mannerisms and his lip/gum smacking got to me but that's purely personal.

BlackOp 07-07-2017 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12947487)
Everything isn't a conspiracy.

KC had a guy, who's job was to manage the salary cap. They knew exactly how much money they had available.

No one has had a reasonable explanation of why signing Logan to an $8 million, nearly fully guaranteed contract, made financial sense? They knew they were going to have to cut someone to get under the cap to compensate...and Maclin's contract allowed for it.

I'm wondering if Reid was out of the loop on the actual team finances...and Dorsey took the fact that they were OK with shopping Maclin as him being ultimately expendable. Was Reid made aware they were planning on cutting him to make the cap?

Yes..this is just a theory but the Logan thing doesn't add up.

JakeF 07-07-2017 08:39 PM

I don't see how anyone can deny that Hunt must have consulted Reid before firing Dorsey. Reid and Dorsey were considered friends before KC and Hunt couldn't risk annoying Reid and risk losing both. Since Reid knew about the situation before signing his new contract, he had the power to save Dorsey and chose not to do so.

I realize the some around here are logic-challenged(cough, Dane) but even they should have the mental capacity to understand these basic points.

I also don't see how Hunt would fire Dorsey on the very same day as announcing the new contract without Reid's approval. If for no other reason than to avoid raining on Reid's signing parade. Reid was clearly ok with both the firing and the timing of the events. Jmo but I believe that Reid wanted to send a message that he is King and Dorsey was fired for messing with 'All the King's Men'.


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