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JakeF 08-20-2017 05:04 PM

Wide Receivers, How Many and Who?
 
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How many Wide Receivers do with keep, which makes it?

Guaranteed:
*Hill, Tyreek WR 5-10 185 23 2 West Alabama
*Conley, Chris WR 6-3 205 24 3 Georgia

Reid favorites:
*Thomas, De'Anthony WR 5-8 176 24 4 Oregon
Wilson, Albert WR 5-9 200 25 4 Georgia State

Up for grabs:
**Chesson, Jehu WR 6-3 203 23 R Michigan
Dieter, Gehrig WR 6-3 207 24 R Alabama
Jones, Seantavius WR 6-3 200 25 3 Valdosta State
Kemp, Marcus WR 6-4 185 22 R Hawaii
*Robinson, Demarcus WR 6-1 203 22 2 Florida

Doubtful:
Wheelwright, Robert WR 6-2 202 R Wisconsin
Jones, Tevin WR 6-2 225 24 1 Memphis
Stevens, Tony WR 6-4 198 22 R Auburn

Chiefs Draft pick * (Drafted this year **)
UDFA in RED

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MarkDavis'Haircut 08-20-2017 05:06 PM

It would be cool to see the Valdosta State kid make it just because it is always awesome to see small school players in the NFL.

BryanBusby 08-20-2017 05:11 PM

Chesson, Hill, Conley and DaT (Toub loves him) all are locks I think. Need Wilson for his heroics in our one and done, so I only see one spot up for grabs between Kemp, Robinson and Jones.

jjchieffan 08-20-2017 05:12 PM

I'm pretty sure that Chesson makes it. Mainly because we trade up to draft him. But he has flashed ability to warrant a roster spot. More than Robinson did last year. I think that your first 4 are pretty much locks. Chesson probably gets the 5th spot with Kemp trying to edge out Robinson for the 6th and final wr spot. I've liked what I've seen from Jones, but I think he goes on the PS this year.

thabear04 08-20-2017 05:17 PM

Jones should be into his 3rd year in the NFL.

KChiefs1 08-20-2017 05:17 PM

RB's & WR's are going to be tough.

JakeF 08-20-2017 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13027357)
I'm pretty sure that Chesson makes it. Mainly because we trade up to draft him. But he has flashed ability to warrant a roster spot. More than Robinson did last year. I think that your first 4 are pretty much locks. Chesson probably gets the 5th spot with Kemp trying to edge out Robinson for the 6th and final wr spot. I've liked what I've seen from Jones, but I think he goes on the PS this year.

Except Chesson has had a few drops and hasn't looked good. If he wasn't drafted he would be very doubtful.

JakeF 08-20-2017 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 13027359)
Jones should be into his 3rd year in the NFL.

Thanks, changed it.

Rasputin 08-20-2017 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13027367)
Except Chesson has had a few drops and hasn't looked good. If he wasn't drafted he would be very doubtful.

He can always go to PS and hope he clears wavers.

Couch-Potato 08-20-2017 05:55 PM

uninspiring group

mcaj22 08-20-2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13027430)
uninspiring group

lots of turds after Hill

BryanBusby 08-20-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13027437)
lots of turds after Hill

Yeah. Between this and the awful OLine depth, hell I'd sit Mahomes for a year for those reasons.

jjchieffan 08-20-2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13027367)
Except Chesson has had a few drops and hasn't looked good. If he wasn't drafted he would be very doubtful.

I agree. And I said as much when I said mainly because we traded up to draft him. if he was an UDFA, he would be practice squad material. But because of his draft status, I think he sticks for this season, much like Robinson.

kccrow 08-20-2017 09:02 PM

If it were up to me...

T. Hill
C. Conley
J. Chesson
S. Jones
D. Thomas
G. Dieter

PS

M. Kemp

What I see happening...

T. Hill
C. Conley
J. Chesson
S. Jones
D. Thomas
A. Wilson

PS

M. Robinson

baitism 08-20-2017 09:13 PM

Seems dumb we just dumped Maclin when that group of turds.

Reerun_KC 08-20-2017 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 13027748)
Seems dumb we just dumped Maclin when that group of turds.

Would of been nice to have him around sitting on the sidelines hurt when we needed him the most.

bigjosh 08-20-2017 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13027367)
Except Chesson has had a few drops and hasn't looked good. If he wasn't drafted he would be very doubtful.

i dont remember seeing him drop anything yet... I could be wrong, but i dont really remember any drops so far, aside from the tyreek one on a screen vs SF.

Danguardace 08-21-2017 08:17 AM

Maybe it's just me but only person that concerns me is Conley as he has had plenty game time and not produced numbers or proven himself to be dialled into the game plan more by the coaches. Probably goes without saying this is a do or die season for him.

I like DAT to be a poor mans Hill this year and obviously for Hill to replace Maclin as a true #1. DAT now he is healthy has talent after the catch and shows flashes catching the ball.

Wilson until he proves otherwise is just average but on his day can be good, Robinson and Chesson I doubt they get enough chances to shine.

KChiefs1 08-21-2017 06:13 PM

Wide Receivers, How Many and Who?
 
Just watched the game for the 5th time & Seantavius Jones had a helluva game.

On DAT's td he threw a great block & the pattern he ran for the td was perfect.

He also has a great body for a WR. I have the same feeling on him as I did David Irving. If he goes to the PS...we are going to lose him.

Rain Man 08-21-2017 06:42 PM

We have a very disproportionate number of receivers from the deep South. Half of them are from Georgia or Alabama. Isn't that odd?

jaa1025 08-21-2017 06:46 PM

DAT has earned himself a roster spot. No doubt. He was one I thought would have been cut going into camp. I don't see them cutting Chesson/

Going with

Hill
Conley
DAT
Abert
Chesson

Jones or Robinson...I can't decide. Probably Jones.

That being said, Albert *could* be a surprise cut IMO.

RealSNR 08-21-2017 06:56 PM

Fred Williams looked amazing in preseason that one year. He was also on his 3rd season or something like that in the league and had yet to really catch on with anyone.

I'd bet on Seantavius Jones being an odd man out.

Hill
Conley
Wilson
DAT
Robinson
Chesson

There are your WRs. Wilson isn't going anywhere. Reid loves him too much.

Kiimo 08-21-2017 07:01 PM

I will be extremely upset if Jones doesn't make this team.


edit: and Robinson can piss up a lightpole

RealSNR 08-21-2017 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13029396)
I will be extremely upset if Jones doesn't make this team.


edit: and Robinson can piss up a lightpole

I'm just basing my prediction on what we've seen in previous years.

WR is one of those positions that everybody thinks they know well. People seem to remember catches more than other kinds of big plays. The problem is you're only following the action of the ball, and unless you watch game footage focusing on one specific player, it's hard to know if the guys are doing valuable stuff for the team when the ball is not coming their way.

I'm not saying I know better than anybody else on here, because I don't. Well, okay, I know better than some of the butt****ing morons. I've just been caught too many times thinking random undrafted guys who looked good in the 3rd and 4th quarters of preseason games would make the team, only to be proven dead wrong. Likewise, those players with regular season experience who never really showed up or stood out to people the year before or in offseason practices are always the predicted cuts. Sometimes they are. Usually they're not.

JoeyChuckles 08-21-2017 07:49 PM

Hey new guy, thanks for starting this thread, but you've got a lot to learn around here. Rational, productive football discussions are reserved for never.

oldman 08-21-2017 07:52 PM

Hill, Conley, and DAT are locks in my book. I think Chesson stays simply because he was a draft pick this year. I really like what I've seen from S. Jones so far and the coaches have mentioned him a lot. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Alligator Arms Wilson being a cut with Robinson taking his place. Look for Dieter to be a PS guy.

Best22 08-21-2017 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13029351)
We have a very disproportionate number of receivers from the deep South. Half of them are from Georgia or Alabama. Isn't that odd?

Not really. Most NFL talent comes from the South or California

Best22 08-21-2017 08:03 PM

What I want

Hill
Conley
Robinson
DAT
Wilson
Chesson

PS
S. Jones

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-21-2017 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 13028142)
Maybe it's just me but only person that concerns me is Conley as he has had plenty game time and not produced numbers or proven himself to be dialled into the game plan more by the coaches. Probably goes without saying this is a do or die season for him.

I like DAT to be a poor mans Hill this year and obviously for Hill to replace Maclin as a true #1. DAT now he is healthy has talent after the catch and shows flashes catching the ball.

Wilson until he proves otherwise is just average but on his day can be good, Robinson and Chesson I doubt they get enough chances to shine.

Conley showed up big in game #1. He took a big hit that game so I think Reid took it easy with him game #2. Conley will be fine. He's going to have a big year.

JakeF 08-21-2017 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13029292)
Just watched the game for the 5th time & Seantavius Jones had a helluva game.

On DAT's td he threw a great block & the pattern he ran for the td was perfect.

He also has a great body for a WR. I have the same feeling on him as I did David Irving. If he goes to the PS...we are going to lose him.

Jones > Chesson, Jones is a better blocking, looks to be a quality special teams player and has good size and very good hands.

Chesson has good measurables

This strictly based on this preseason, not college potential.

penbrook 08-21-2017 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles (Post 13029478)
Hey new guy, thanks for starting this thread, but you've got a lot to learn around here. Rational, productive football discussions are reserved for never.

Let Penbrook show you the way :)

Rasputin 08-21-2017 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baitism (Post 13027748)
Seems dumb we just dumped Maclin when that group of turds.

I don't think they are a bunch of turds. I think they need good quarterback play to help them mature as receivers hard to do when the quarterback doesn't make all his progressions and runs out of bounds. I think this year will be different. I think Alex Smith will be forced to play more aggressive and attempt plays he wouldn't normally giving our guys more opportunity to succeed. Hell Patrick Mahomes II got Kemp to catch a touchdown so they need better balls thrown their way if you ask me.


Give them a chance that's what they are here for. With Tyreek running down field that will leave underneath routes open and Alex Smith is good at the intermediate to short routes but we have a threat down field if he takes advantage of that now and then.

So I think this group of WR just needs a chance to shine they are still young.

DaneMcCloud 08-21-2017 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism (Post 13027748)
Seems dumb we just dumped Maclin when that group of turds.

Troll

O.city 08-22-2017 09:00 AM

I'm gonna go too four,

The. Chess in and Robinson for sure and I'll go with Jones as the 7th.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13029997)
I'm gonna go too four,

The. Chess in and Robinson for sure and I'll go with Jones as the 7th.

Seven?

Whoa, if they go with 7 WR's then they're definitely only keeping 3 TE's (which I think is the right number) but what about RB?

Hoover 08-22-2017 09:59 AM

Couldn't Jones and Deiter both make it to the Practice Squad?

Hill, Conley, DAT, Chesson, Robinson, Wilson is what I think it will be.

O.city 08-22-2017 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13030046)
Seven?

Whoa, if they go with 7 WR's then they're definitely only keeping 3 TE's (which I think is the right number) but what about RB?

4 total rbs including Sherman . I don't think they keep west and spiller. I was big in spiller but if west is healthy I'd probably go that way.

Hoover 08-22-2017 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13030065)
4 total rbs including Sherman . I don't think they keep west and spiller. I was big in spiller but if west is healthy I'd probably go that way.

While the possibilities of Spiller excite me, I think you are right.

O.city 08-22-2017 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13030077)
While the possibilities of Spiller excite me, I think you are right.

I just don't think he'll have the burst he did at one time early in his career.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13030065)
4 total rbs including Sherman . I don't think they keep west and spiller. I was big in spiller but if west is healthy I'd probably go that way.

Well, that's what I've been saying since camp opened but people have been banging on me for it.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13030064)
Couldn't Jones and Deiter both make it to the Practice Squad?

Hill, Conley, DAT, Chesson, Robinson, Wilson is what I think it will be.

Deiter to the PS seems likely but I'm not sure if they can slip Jones through waivers.

He's starting to "pop" on film and his size is a huge asset.

Robinson still hasn't shown me anything as a receiver so if it came down to him or Jones, I'd go with Jones.

FWIW, Robinson would be eligible for the PS.

saphojunkie 08-22-2017 11:00 AM

Hill, Conley, Wilson, DAT, chesson, jones

Practice squad:
Kemp
Dieter
Robinson

I think you could trade out Jones for Robinson (ST guy) or Kemp (he's flashing a lot I feel)

Jones being on the list is probably just wishful thinking.

Halfcan 08-22-2017 11:24 AM

I don't see how Wilson makes the cut again- too many younger cheaper and better options this year.

O.city 08-22-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13030102)
Well, that's what I've been saying since camp opened but people have been banging on me for it.

I think spiller is more dynamic and better than west but his age plus history makes me skeptical if West is healthy. If West gets dinged I'd probably change my opinion but spiller over a healthy west is tough.

West hasn't exactly been a pillar of health but at least he's you g

ct 08-22-2017 11:44 AM

I've long wanted wilson cut, but the dude has been boss in preseason throwing blocks out there, he's gonna make the team for sure i think

if it's me, i trade or cut dat, but they just love the dude, so we'll see.

jones and kemp i'd love to see stick, or we'll be at risk to lose em. I had a thought it we flexed to keep 7 WRs and let go of the extra TE, use Jones as that 3rd TE on routes in the 3 TE set.

chesson not sure he's shown enough, but trading up in the 4th (4th & 5th essentially) i'm pretty sure they'll keep him active.

Keep Hill, Conley, Wilson, Robinson, Chesson, Jones, Kemp

cut DAT
PS for Deiter

Keep only 2 TEs, Kelce & Harris, cut Escobar and try to squeeze Travis on the PS

should add i kept only 2 TEs to hold onto the 4 RB (plus sherman). if we can get some value for west, do it and keep travis.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 13030197)
I've long wanted wilson cut, but the dude has been boss in preseason throwing blocks out there, he's gonna make the team for sure i think

if it's me, i trade or cut dat, but they just love the dude, so we'll see.

jones and kemp i'd love to see stick, or we'll be at risk to lose em. I had a thought it we flexed to keep 7 WRs and let go of the extra TE, use Jones as that 3rd TE on routes in the 3 TE set.

chesson not sure he's shown enough, but trading up in the 4th (4th & 5th essentially) i'm pretty sure they'll keep him active.

Keep Hill, Conley, Wilson, Robinson, Chesson, Jones, Kemp

cut DAT
PS for Deiter

Keep only 2 TEs, Kelce & Harris, cut Escobar and try to squeeze Travis on the PS

should add i kept only 2 TEs to hold onto the 4 RB (plus sherman). if we can get some value for west, do it and keep travis.

Kemp will make it through waivers, Jones won't. DAT is Tyreek Hill insurance so they can't cut him.

I think that at this point, both Robinson and Chesson make it through waivers. Maybe one or both steps up and shows something in the final two preseason games but I doubt it.

Travis makes it through waivers easily but they'll keep 3 TE's, minimum, and if nothing else, Escobar has been a fantastic Red Zone weapon during his career.

I doubt Travis gets many more looks during preseason for the sole reason of placing him back on the Practice Squad.

penbrook 08-22-2017 12:42 PM

Jones will make this team. The TD that Bray threw to him was all on Jones. He saw where the safety was and changed his route. That's what you do to make a team!

oldman 08-22-2017 01:02 PM

I think we keep 3 TEs and have 1 stashed somewhere because we run a lot of 3 TE sets. A couple have mentioned 4 RBs (including Sherman), but who would the 3rd be besides Hunt and Ware? I'd rather keep S. Jones over Wilson. DAT is our returner unless someone else steps up. Hill is too valuable for that.

penbrook 08-22-2017 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030302)
I think we keep 3 TEs and have 1 stashed somewhere because we run a lot of 3 TE sets. A couple have mentioned 4 RBs (including Sherman), but who would the 3rd be besides Hunt and Ware? I'd rather keep S. Jones over Wilson. DAT is our returner unless someone else steps up. Hill is too valuable for that.

If we keep 3 TEs than we might keep 5 RBs including Sherman like we did when McKnight was on the roster.

Frosty 08-22-2017 02:03 PM

Any chance they keep Charles as the 4th TE/H-back/Backup FB? I keep hearing about Travis in practice but I don't think I've ever seen him do anything in an actual game.

JakeF 08-22-2017 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 13030197)
I've long wanted wilson cut, but the dude has been boss in preseason throwing blocks out there, he's gonna make the team for sure i think

if it's me, i trade or cut dat, but they just love the dude, so we'll see.

jones and kemp i'd love to see stick, or we'll be at risk to lose em. I had a thought it we flexed to keep 7 WRs and let go of the extra TE, use Jones as that 3rd TE on routes in the 3 TE set.

chesson not sure he's shown enough, but trading up in the 4th (4th & 5th essentially) i'm pretty sure they'll keep him active.

Keep Hill, Conley, Wilson, Robinson, Chesson, Jones, Kemp

cut DAT
PS for Deiter

Keep only 2 TEs, Kelce & Harris, cut Escobar and try to squeeze Travis on the PS

should add i kept only 2 TEs to hold onto the 4 RB (plus Sherman). if we can get some value for west, do it and keep travis.

I really doubt that Reid cuts DAT, he likes him too much as a backup KR/PR/WR/RB.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030302)
I think we keep 3 TEs and have 1 stashed somewhere because we run a lot of 3 TE sets.

Stashed? Huh? Do you mean the Practice Squad?

The only tight end on the roster available for the PS is Travis. Escobar and Orson have too many accrued seasons.

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030302)
A couple have mentioned 4 RBs (including Sherman), but who would the 3rd be besides Hunt and Ware?

Um, hello? Charcandrick West. Spiller's a possibility, too, but he's a hangnail from missing the season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030302)
I'd rather keep S. Jones over Wilson. DAT is our returner unless someone else steps up. Hill is too valuable for that.

Wilson is more valuable than Robinson and Chesson at this point.

oldman 08-22-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13030500)
Stashed? Huh? Do you mean the Practice Squad?

The only tight end on the roster available for the PS is Travis. Escobar and Orson have too many accrued seasons.



Um, hello? Charcandrick West. Spiller's a possibility, too, but he's a hangnail from missing the season.



Wilson is more valuable than Robinson and Chesson at this point.

Either Travis stashed on the PS or someone on speedial.

Which one, Spiller or West?

If it's a choice between Chesson or Wilson, I'll take Chesson. I'm tired of seeing Wilson make the team and then forgetting how to stretch out during the season.

penbrook 08-22-2017 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030576)
Either Travis stashed on the PS or someone on speedial.

Which one, Spiller or West?

If it's a choice between Chesson or Wilson, I'll take Chesson. I'm tired of seeing Wilson make the team and then forgetting how to stretch out during the season.

But Wilson leads the team in TDs during the postseason

Reerun_KC 08-22-2017 04:16 PM

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DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030576)
Either Travis stashed on the PS or someone on speedial.

The Chiefs can't "stash" him. He has to be waived and if he clears waivers, he's eligible to agree to PS terms with the Chiefs or any other team.

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030576)
Which one, Spiller or West?

IMO, there's no question that it's West. He's younger and finally healthy after battling a high ankle sprain for nearly two years. Did you see him rip off a 50 yard run Friday night? He hasn't reached his ceiling and Spiller's injury history is extensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13030576)
If it's a choice between Chesson or Wilson, I'll take Chesson. I'm tired of seeing Wilson make the team and then forgetting how to stretch out during the season.

I'm no fan of Wilson but Chesson, like Robinson, have done absolutely nothing as Wide Receivers to claim a spot on the roster.

Robinson has been a good Special Teamer but he's not so good that you keep him over a WR that's actually contributed on the field and scored TD's.

OnTheWarpath15 08-22-2017 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13029385)
Fred Williams looked amazing in preseason that one year. He was also on his 3rd season or something like that in the league and had yet to really catch on with anyone.

I'd bet on Seantavius Jones being an odd man out.

Hill
Conley
Wilson
DAT
Robinson
Chesson

There are your WRs. Wilson isn't going anywhere. Reid loves him too much.

Gimme that group but with Jones replacing DAT.

Won't happen, but should.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-22-2017 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 13030645)
Gimme that group but with Jones replacing DAT.

Won't happen, but should.

DAT is more valuable than you realize. He shows up on EVERY special teams play, returning or coverage. He's in the 53

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 13030645)
Gimme that group but with Jones replacing DAT.

Won't happen, but should.

What have you seen in Robinson as a WR that makes you want him on the 53?

I thought he should have been cut last summer but he was a decent gunner on Special Teams.

I'm just not seeing it.

Hog's Gone Fishin 08-22-2017 04:37 PM

Robinson will be PS


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