Kareem Hunt...nonexistent
 

What the hell happened to this guy?

Last 4 games:

58 carries
191 rush yards
3.3 YPC

Hasn't scored a TD in 6 games

Uh, the league got tape.

He only had nine carries I think......gotta give the rock if he is gonna do anything.

Needs more carries. His first game he got better as the game rolled on. Hunt is a second half player but you have to feed him the ball.

Yep.. Can't win in the trenches.. yet still 6-3.. amazing, that is. Andy Reid gives up on the run.. and it's hard to blame him. Hunt had one nice run.. which masks the rest.. which was putrid.

Not blaming the RB. This OL is a total fail.. healthy or not.

No carries, no run blocking. Andy Reid is clueless. Etc.

I think Hunt is a stud but his OL is crap. These guys cant block for shit and have no desire to put someon on their ass. They are nice and in football that doesnt win and LOS. You need tough and bad attitude to win

So we have tape on Eliot or L Bell but that doesn't seem to stop them.

this is the first time in how many weeks with the starting oline back?


"I think KC will be fine, this a good football team."

We’re the Chiefs tho.

I haven't seen anything from hunt that leads me to believe he's doing anything wrong. He's doing what he can with what he's given. Still plays like a stud I dont care what the numbers say.

Combination of a heavily used rookie struggling under the full season rigors of the NFL... and a super weak sauce OL not knocking anyone out of the way

Stop KHunt, stop the Chiefs.


Simple

He's still a rookie and the o line has been atrocious.

The lanes are not nearly as big as they were in the 1st couple games. I think teams took him for granted because he was a rook. Now that they are reading run 1st and making alix beat them his stats and coveted YPC has taken a dump.

This. The lines not 100% healthy. I can’t think of another time we needed a bye week so badly.

He needs fewer carries early in the game so that we can actually get some first downs and wear down the defense.

First down pass incomplete second down false start and another pass play third down pass fourth down punt.


That was typical Chiefs drive. A bunch of check downs but we never tried to establish the run.

Second half Dallas had three down lineman we should have been calling run plays even with 7 minutes left we had time to get points and the ball back.

You can't establish the run if you don't get first down and run a lot of plays. It's not rocket science.

It all has to do with our shit oline play.

Good, yes. Great? ummm, no.

Until we fix our OL and defense, we'll never be good enough.

I don’t think any team in the AFC is great. You do have teams like the Steelers who provide bad matchups though.

Rookie hit the WALL.

We couldn't move the chains and we couldn't stop them from moving the chains. Our run blocking is total shit.

Spinal tumor

I meant great in terms of being capable of winning a championship.

Ok smart guy but they aren't running on first down or second down or third down. Incomplete passes or short of the sticks don't result in first downs so at some point running the ball is the way you establish the run. Not passing on first down not passing on second down but run the damn ball and bully the defense. Yes our oline is sucking balls right now maybe we are incapable of doing much more but I've seen Hunt build on himself as the game goes by feeding him the ball. It worked the first few weeks but we have gone away from that.

You cannot establish the run if you don't run the ball.

The poor guy never has anywhere to run. This OL is back to 2016/2015 of run blocking. Week 1 OL was a mirage.

The drive where he was running well, we were unstoppable

Problem is...penalties, long yardage situations made us seem helpless

When he wasn't a factor, we seemed pathetic

Defense no because the linebackers are old. I think the health of the offensive line is the problem on offense.

Reid will never figure this out.

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There has never been any back nor team in league history that broke off 60-80 yard runs/receptions every game. You overrated him based on an extremely small sample size.

He's still a good player, but he's not going to be the best back in the league, ever. He'll be a perfectly reasonable starter though.

Andy should game plan to go pass heavy (even by his standards) from the very first play. Ds are keying in on Hunt and they consistently get the O in 3rd and long. We start very slow and by the time we get any rhythm it is already the 3rd quarter. Our pass blocking OL is not bad at all, just no half a**ing it with runs into brick walls.
Also some established WRs would help, the passing game just looks too tight.

All you X's and O's guys help me out here. Has Hunt changed? Is he not hitting the hole right? Following blockers? Is there an answer?

We’ve been spoiled by having so many great running backs over the years. People are going to set crazy expectations and say dumb shit.

Yeah...stop over-relying on RBs as the driving force on your team. That approach hasn't gotten the Chiefs anywhere with four elite running backs in the last 16 years.

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He's got a hell of a career ahead of him but one he can't do it all and two we need him to do more than what Reid gave him opportunity to do today.

There has to be a balance act and we are not getting it. Run and pass balance that would help Hill out and the run game and be able to attack defenses. Teams may fear Tyreek Hill but they don't respect Alex Smith long ball and so they key on Hunt.

You know the answer. If Randal Grichuk hits five bombs in three games has he turned a corner or did he just have a hot streak?

Line getting pushed back now

I get the mean argument and makes sense to me.

Their are better RB's than others but their performance is based largely on blocking and play calls.

Are you saying the blocking and play calls are fine?

It's not shocking that running at 8 defenders doesn’t work.

He had absolutely no running room at all against Pittsburgh or Denver. Had some vs Oakland and produced...and only 9 carries today.

Im not worried about Kareem, Im worried about the run blocking returning to last year's form giving him zero room to run. And of course teams stacking the box daring Alex to beat them and he just cant consistently.

Yeah, nine carries, and a swear six came in the first two drives where we basically lined up and said hey we are going to run straight at you.

The play calling sucks. A little play action early in games to lossen up the defense would be nice. No creativity in this game or the Steelers game.

O-Line isn't giving him huge holes, but you can't control whether or not the defense blows assignments or over commits.

The bolded is the problem, not anything else you typed.

A RB needs a hole to run through and those have been a bit sparse with this OL.

The offensive line has rarely been completely healthy this season and today, LDT and especially Schwartz, had the yips.

It hasn’t helped that the Chiefs lost Conley, either, and while I can’t believe I’m saying this, the offense isn’t as effective without Albert Wilson.

I expect Hunt to have more opportunities after the Bye, as it gives the lineman a chance to get healthy and back in sync.

Part of it is that once the Chiefs figured out how to run against the Cowboys, they had gotten down 21-17. The next series, KC shot itself in the foot with penalties. Dallas went up 28-17.

That took 2nd half Hunt out of the game.

Andy Reid is the new herpes

Seth Keysor
@RealMNchiefsfan
Kareem Hunt 1st drive of the 2nd half: 3 carries for 29 yards. Didn't see another carry the rest of the game. That's less than ideal.
6:59 PM · Nov 6, 2017

Last carry was with 9:51 left in the 3rd Q. Goddamnit Andy. ****ing hell fat man.

Well people did insist that Andy use him less. He listened LMAO

Looks like we have to win inspite of Reid. Hasn’t he repeatedly said that Hunt gets stronger in the 4th quarter? 21-17 we panicked and abandoned the run, simple as that.

... but... but.. how could that TD drive have occurred? Unpossible?

We'll be 13-3 or 12-4 when it's all over, with or without Hunt.

It is a lack of "road grading ability" when needed regardless of who we have in there. We do not have physical o-linemen who can throw d-lines aside when needed like Dallas' o-line did us especially at the end of the game.

We haven't had a "mauling o-line" since 05. The beauty of our o-lines in the early to mid 90's and from 02-05 was that regardless of defenses stacking the box against us we still ran at will successfully while chewing up the clock to win. We can't do that now.

Once KH's talent was legitimized after the first few games, very physical talented defenses like PITT,DENVER and DALLAS keyed in on KH knowing they would not have to stack the box because our o-line cannot "smash mouth run block" at will. Thus can afford to set back in zone and throw us around like a rag doll keying on KH. However, if we had "road grading capability" in our o-line then it would force these talented defenses to stack the box and play more man to man that would play into our offense's hands.

And please spare me the argument of finesse vs brute strength because you can have both if you build it that way because we had that from 02-05, very athletic but very physical as well.

Well said

Like I have been parroting in other threads just game plan to be pass heavy and spread the action out to beyond 15 yards past the LoS. What does Brady do to Pittsburgh every time? His OL is not exactly smashmouth.
But like some others have pointed out here it looks like Pitt's coverage schemes confuse Smith, he overthinks the play. In the 4th quarter when the OL was pass blocking well it looked like Robinson would score on every play. He needs to play with that mindset from snap #1 and it is upto Reid to ensure that with preparation and scheming.

Historically speaking, the NYG have also been a defense that ****s Alex up..

I dunno who they have or have at DC.. just saying.. If you do have a 4 man line that gets pressure on 5 OL? (which with KC they will i mean c'mon)..

Not a good feeling... even weeks away... :(

The Giants are horrible. There is nothing to worry about.

I mean it's the NFL every team is decent even the bad ones but I am not worried about the G-Men at all. Sleep well the game will be a blowout.

Won't lose sleep when I think of this game. There ARE no easy games, when your defense and run game is terrible. Not one game will they play the rest of the year.. will I think no problem.. they got this...

Every game is tough but with the bye week we'll blow them out. Giants are really really bad and they have pretty much given up on their HC. We'll win.

Nope. Will not budge, good sir. Our team is shit so far on defense.. and pretty shit on OL play.

That alone denies any comfort on wins... no matter who the opponent may be.

:harumph: ... more power to ya, if you keep the confidence in team. I choose.. nope. SHOW ME.

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I think the team will be better after the bye week. The O-line seems tired. Alex seems under constant pressure and I haven't seen him get clean pocket. On top their last 3 out of 4 games have been against some legit front 7. That probably just makes it that much worst. Good thing they have bye week.

Well the defense doesn't help either when they cant get off the field with them time killing drives.

because our "trench players" on both sides of the ball get tossed around like rag dolls.

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By the time Kareem gets the ball, there's 2 Cowboys 3 yards deep in the backfield.

Our play action is also nonexistent.

The td thing has to do with Andy/Nagy feeling like they have to scene or run trickery in EVERY goal line situation. If Kareem doesn't run in a long td his goal line opportunities are limited.

His rushing yards and ypc can be chalked up to blocking and scheme. For the past several games Kareem can't even make it to the line of scrimmage before he has to force a missed tackle.

Defenses begging to throw it deep . They're not scared even remotely of getting beat.

The offense doesn't help when its first 3 drives result in about 18 total yards.

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Hunt was making his bones when the Chiefs o-line was playing better, and when we were playing with leads such that Andy spent long stretches of games in ultra-conservative mode.

O-line was pass protecting pretty damn well against Dallas. Certainly had clean pockets on several occasions. NFL clean, at least.

Hunts running into two walls right now

1) the heavily used rookie endurance wall

2) the literal wall of defenders our line cant do shit about

On the positive side our schedule to date has been pretty tough. Think all of the non conference teams were .500 or better except for Houston. Houston was very dangerous when we played them. Ne, Phil and Pitt are probably right at the top to win the whole thing.

The second half the non conference Buffalo, Miami, Jets and Giants really should not put a lot of fear into a team. Having the Chargers and Raiders at home should make a touchdown favorite in those two games and the Broncos will not be playing for anything the last game of the season. So yeah he should hopefully pick it up, if not probably should go with West and look to throw every down come playoff time.

And on one of those runs he was one broken tackle away from going a long way.


Hunt isn't Charles. 13 carries per game isn't going to allow him to make an impact. Like bad clock management, not committing to the run is one of Andy's shortcomings.

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Remember the, "Are we running Hunt too much" thread from a few weeks ago?

Fans' opinions change so much from week to week. Fickle, i believe, is the word most often used.

Yep. Fans love to use hindsight... You never heard any complaints about Sutton after that Steelers playoff loss. It was all Alex Smith's fault. The defense/Sutton was great all season and carried the team was all I heard before the season started this year. Now the defense sucks and Sutton needs to be fired halfway into the season...

Got to love it.

I don't remember that thread. But "fans" aren't a single hive mind. Unless you're seeing people specifically contradicting themselves, I'm not sure it's relevant.p

My personal opinion is that Hunt's running style may expose him to more injury possibilities. I still believe a balanced offense is important and 20+ rushes should be standard

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