This loss shows deeper problems than a few players
 

The way that we lost this game speaks to more than just a couple of players or plays.
This loss speaks to problems deep within. I think we have severe problems within our coaching staff if not further up than that.
We are spiraling down and it appears to be untenable to the staff we have in place even with the help of a bye week.
I have always been a Reid fan, but a lot of the problems he had in Philly have followed him to KC. His play calling, inadequate game prep, stubbornness, strategy, clock management. His inability to make coaching changes and bring his family in and unwillingness to move on from them when they are obviously not working are problems that we all now face as well. There is a lot of parallels between our staff here and the ones he had in Philly.
If we are to change our losing ways some of this staff is going to have to be replaced. Where do start? Who are the coaches/assistants that need to be replaced? Even now instead of waiting until the off season.



Andy Reid
Head Coach

Brad Childress
Assistant Head Coach

Matt Nagy
Offensive Coordinator

Eric Bieniemy
Running Backs

Andy Heck
Offensive Line

Corey Matthaei
Assistant Quarterbacks (QBs & OL)

Tom Melvin
Tight Ends

Greg Lewis
Wide Receivers

Joe Bleymaier
Offensive Quality Control

Mike Kafka
Offensive Quality Control

Bob Sutton
Defensive Coordinator

Terry Bradden
Defensive Assistant

Mark DeLeone
Assistant Linebackers (Defense)

Gary Gibbs
Linebackers

Al Harris
Secondary/Cornerbacks

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Mike Smith
Assistant Defensive Line

Emmitt Thomas
Defensive Backs

Dave Toub
Special Teams Coordinator

Rod Wilson
Assistant Special Teams

Tommy Brasher
Special Projects

Rick Burkholder
Head Athletic Trainer

Barry Rubin
Strength and Conditioning

Travis Crittenden
Strength & Conditioning Assistant

Devin Woodhouse
Strength & Conditioning Assistant

Ryan Reynolds
Sports Science/Conditioning

Mike Frazier
Statistical Analysis Coordinator

The Raiders are getting spanked by New England. The Chargers always beat themselves. The Broncos have no QB. This division can can be won by the Chiefs. They have issues but can still adjust. They are in a good position.

I'd tend to disagree. It's more of a combination of roster/draft decisions and injuries. Dorsey and Reid built a roster of average players with a few stars mixed in, a number of people have been/are/will be out, and neither line is anything above average.

I said this when they were on their win streak: the Chiefs are an average team. At full strength on given week they can win or lose to anybody. And they ain't at full strength.

The Giants were also playing for pride today. I don't think that can be underestimated.

In no way do these comments mean I like or support the actions or philosophy of the coaching staff. I'm just saying I don't think today's loss was preparation or coaching. Nor any of the others, nor the win streak. I think they're mutually exclusive problems. I think this franchise is going to be stuck in this mediocre 8-11 win quagmire with no potential for meaningful success as long as Andy Schottenheimer is running the show. But I don't think all of today's or recent losses' issues are coaching. I think it goes deeper.

This is just the 90's again. We'll compete for or win the division annually, sometimes despite ourselves, then get dumped in January by actual playoff quality teams.

The Chiefs easily score on their first drive if Smith hits this throw.

https://i.imgur.com/mirOMl7.gif

Or this one.

https://i.imgur.com/4yne5tN.gif

Andy Reid is not an issue with our offense. He's NEVER had any offensive issues in the NFL for the most part. He's a ****ing LEGENDARY offensive coach. He has HALL OF FAME offensive credentials.

Until he ran into Alex Smith.

Link the final INT where he had Reek streaking 5 yards behind the DB while you're at it

is there anyone with a FB coaching background that that explain what other teams are doing and what we are doing different between our 5-0 start and our current 1-4 slump?

I love your confidence. Maybe you can send some good vibes out to the so called fans. Chiefs will turn it around.

A real QB cleans up a lot of shitty coaching.

Who gives a shit about a pointless division win?

Those of you that support Fat Andy need to go read the eagles fans comments when he left Philly.... Same coach, same results

You call him Andy Schottenheimer which says to me that you do think that there is a coaching problem. You also mention it goes deeper. I would like to hear what you mean by deeper.

Keep Toub. Everybody else can go. That goes double for the D coaches.

I said it back then, when you have one of your "stars" above the lowly task of tackling, it will cave the effort and moral of the whole team. They don't have to give it all.

When Tyreek Hill says in an interview that the team isn't totally focused (or something similar to that) then you have a problem

While this is obviously true, we’re not in real danger of losing the division beyond 2017 also. If Mahomes can give us what we think he can, we get Berry back, and we can use the worthless cap space we have in our old vets on younger players at positions of need we can easily keep control of the division.

2017 is done. No need to panic beyond that yet though IMO.

That's the issue with these true fans. Chiefs will win the awful division, lose in typical fashion in the playoffs and then true fans will say "they made the playoffs, that's a good season"

So what? Yes, the whole division is dogshit. We could finish 8-8 and still win the division, host a playoff game, and essentially be a bye-week for the No. 5 seed.

The season is over. This team is lost.

Well said! And I have said all along we lack talent in too many areas and we are just not the physical football team we used to be because we lack talent especially in the trenches. But at least in the 90s we had a pretty good defense we don’t have that even now.

This thread sucks

While true

No QB can clean up deciding your TE should throw a pass after you've tried having your WR throw a pass before shocker they both ended up the same way. You would think he would have learned

Have we met? Me calling him Schottenheimer clearly indicates I believe there's a coaching problem. Marty was the worst. I've been saying that on this board for, what, 16 years now?

By deeper I mean personnel problems. You know, like I talked about in the post you quoted.

Anyway, I'm out. Up for work in 6 hours.

So sick of seeing that Andy is the problem
Smith is the problem. Luckily we made a move and got Mahomes. Andy knows what Smith can and can't do. I'm pretty confident when Mahomes plays next season then offense will be more dangerous. Smith scares no one. Every damn game he whimps out and doesn't make then throws that win games or he misses on wide open guys. He is the problem. Alone.

Nope

Andy decides who the QB is. So no matter what the head coach is always partly to blame when you lose

All teams lack talent in places. Yet they are able to out perform what we have been able to put out there. Coaches, good coaches find ways to mask those deficiencies. Something that we have not been able to do very well especially over the last 5 weeks.

Well when you start out your original post with "I tend to disagree" that meant that you didn't agree with my post that coaching was the problem. So that is why I didn't understand. Personnel, players, is more superficial than deeper problems

Griefs just giving us our Christmas present early this year. Thanks ****ers!

The only reason I'm really rooting to win the division is so that our collapse isn't 100% embarrassing.

Also, I don't want Oakland or LAC to win anything or see any success at our expense.

Andy is responsible for all decisions here just like he was in Philly when they could not get it done either.

You are showing a couple of plays. Thats only one side of the truth. Both teams had issue with balls going to the ground. It was windy and he was throwing against his body. On the second gif you posted Alex was under pressure. The receiver is frickin turned the wrong way. He should be turning towards the middle of the field, meaning cut inside, he is in a awkward position. He had is guy beat all he had to do was run up straight and not towards the outside. why is he looking for the ball in that position. It was an easy throw had he cut inside when he had his guy beat because there was no safety either. I was scratching my head why he kept running to outside. However I do knock on Alex for the interception in the 4th quarter on his overthrow. Its not just Alex, they are playing bad as a unit. The offense line and run game is total trash now. I see guys with no dude to block. That's where it comes down to coaching, Andy has never been a guy who adjusts well to difficult situations. You come of having a week off and lose to the giants, something is clearly wrong with the team. Alex, coaches, the run game and the o-line and wide receivers all have to improve. You can be open but you still have to be in the right position. Like don't keep running to the outside when you have your guy beat, cut back in to increase your chances of completing that throw.

A bunch of ****ing lies. Go **** yourself.

https://i.imgur.com/ijHvQIV.gif

Ummmm..... that's the route he was running.

We got our ticket to the dance / any given sunday / player or two away / change a play here and there

What difference does it make if they win the division by being the best of a bad lot? This team has no prayer of winning a playoff game playing like this.

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Players see the best QB at practice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg

I think was looking for ball right away. Would you rather have your QB throw to outside when there is no one in the backfield of towards the inside where its guaranteed touchdown? The throw inside is always easier to make then outside. Now we both don't know if he was actually running that route or he just got two excited when he got open.

Point out where I actually used harsh words on you or told you to go f yourself? Did I? You really lose credibility when you use personal attacks on someone instead of having a debate. LOL I will stop debating you, clearly you have anger issues.

This actually might be a blessing in disquise for chiefs. They are still on top, still have a easy schedule and this will wake the coaching staff and players up a little.

ROFL

I'll pass on the Koolaide

I blame our secondary more than anything this year. They have been the difference in every close game. Did anyone think we'd get by without a pass interference call once Eli decided to throw it up?

I will say this: there is zero pass rush. Zero.

Justin Houston and sometimes Chris Jones is our pass rush.

These guys right here can go.

Al Harris
Secondary/Cornerbacks

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Mike Smith
Assistant Defensive Line

Emmitt Thomas
Defensive Backs

Where I would start:


Brad Childress
Assistant Head Coach

Andy Heck
Offensive Line

Bob Sutton
Defensive Coordinator

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Barry Rubin
Strength and Conditioning

This loss shows our starting QB cant rally his team. He cant make a play with the game on the line. He cant hide any weakness about his team or even himself.

This loss shows why we drafted Mahomes!!

Everyone's ****ing angry right now. You lying doesn't help.

Honestly the biggest thing that bothers me is how soft the team is and has been since Reid's arrival. Even when the defense is playing well, it's more finesse than violence. The offense can never get the one tough yard on the ground, or put together that long grinding drive that eats the clock and seals the win.

There's no passion unless it's Peters or Kelce crying to the refs. This team is soft as ****.

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Yep.

The Dallas game didn't do it? The Pittsburg game didn't do it? The Raider game didn't do it?

This team is broke, they are not a team.

I thought they had turned the corner in that regard earlier in the season. Philly and Washington punched them in the mouth, and they were able to right themselves and grind out wins. But since 5-0, they've reverted to their bad past.

100% agree. They have no leadership. With Eric Berry out (who is an AMAZING competitor), No one has stepped up to lead and drive everyone to play better and more disciplined as well.

The coaches can’t play the game for the players. You and I will disagree as to whether this team has too much chicken manure to turn into chicken salad. You’re saying it’s the coaches fault they can’t make more chicken salad and I’m saying there’s too much chicken manure to do that.:shrug::shrug:

I definitely agree with the strength and condition coach. WTH is up with all the Achilles injuries?

Andy Reid is a stubborn bastard with horrible play calling and Alex Smith has regressed to the twin of Matt Cassel

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Code for went out drinking with hookers last night.

No, no, and hell no. Toub needs to go. His special teams are worthless. Too many penalties and dumb mistakes. I'm tired of seeing his KO Return team routinely run the ball 10-12 yards then getting stopped before the 25 yard line.

KC played the steelers and exposed how to defend KC's offense. Here's what you do:

Shut down the running game and their gimmick college shit, and ask Alex to drop back, read a defense, and throw the ball.

Regardless of who you blame, the OL, Alex, WR injuries, or whatever else, that's what KC simply can't do well.

I don't have a coaching background, but I don't think I need one here.

I agree. Teams are keying in on stopping the run. Their forcing Alex to beat then with a traditional passing game, and he can't do it.

While the last month or so of football has sucked, in the end I think its good for the Chiefs.

1. Its easier to move on from Smith to Mahomes now.
2. Better to hit your grove and be healthy headed into the playoffs not week 10 or whatever it is.
3. We still lead the division by two games, which is amazing.
4. We lack quality depth at some key positions (OLB, RB)
5. Hey nobody is going to be stealling any of our coaching staff now!

Us long time fans of 40-50 years have lowered the bar so far for this organization that making the playoffs and winning a single game or finally drafting a QB in 1st RD after 27 years feels like a Super Bowl to us.

So sad........:(

We lack quality starters at those positions. Forget depth.

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Good enough for who it's for. People want to get drunk, act like idiots, get into fights, etc. The last time I went to a Chiefs game, I thought I was at a wrestling match.

The fans accept the winning regular season and perpetual mediocrity that comes with ownership hiring fired coaches and benched quarterbacks.

I don't blame Kelce, he got targetted and concussed earlier in the season. There is more to life than football. Good quarterbacks don't throw their players into big collisions.

It's a job to these players, sports have changed because of the huge amounts of money. As long as the stadium is full of fans paying $45 to park and can get as drunk as they want without fear of being pulled over on the way home, this is what I think we will get.

The coaches don't play.

The coaches don't have alligator arms either.

Wow, Arrowhead only costs $45 to park?

Our playcalling is magically reeruned. Gash them for 6 & 13 yards with Kareem Hunt runs? Let's go 5-wide three plays in a row!

[QUOTE=Chief Roundup;13227228]The way that we lost this game speaks to more than just a couple of players or plays.
This loss speaks to problems deep within. I think we have severe problems within our coaching staff if not further up than that.
We are spiraling down and it appears to be untenable to the staff we have in place even with the help of a bye week.
I have always been a Reid fan, but a lot of the problems he had in Philly have followed him to KC. His play calling, inadequate game prep, stubbornness, strategy, clock management. His inability to make coaching changes and bring his family in and unwillingness to move on from them when they are obviously not working are problems that we all now face as well. There is a lot of parallels between our staff here and the ones he had in Philly.
If we are to change our losing ways some of this staff is going to have to be replaced. Where do start? Who are the coaches/assistants that need to be replaced? Even now instead of waiting until the off season.



The problems start from the lowest janitor to the highest levels. ChUNT is the problem. Dude is an idiot. Also, the NFL is run by the Mafia.

Chopping off a couple of heads this week MIGHT wake this team up.

Arrowhead is a Distribution Center of Disappointment.

good thing we're building a new airport.

Toub can walk as well. STs have sucked this season. Flag after flag after flag.

Toub was too busy building HC resumes to worry about preparing his ST unit