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Hammock Parties 11-19-2017 10:57 PM

The Chiefs lost to a terrible team that played badly so what’s that make the Chiefs?
 
Mellinger making us proud.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...185555248.html

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J.

Watching a team that once talked convincingly about a Super Bowl attempt to talk through their franchise's most embarrassing loss in years is to see a mix of robotic habit, stubborn denial and just a touch of angry defiance.

Nobody can tell you how to handle professional shame, same way nobody can tell you how to grieve, so maybe the reactions in the minutes immediately following a truly dreadful performance are worth nothing beyond the curiosity.

There is no explaining this one away, either. No yeah but, no brushing off, no bit of irrational confidence that can make the Chiefs' 12-9 overtime loss to the mismanaged, quitting, could've-fired-their-overmatched-coach-by-now Giants feel anything other than humiliating.

But, in case you are curious, a sampling of those initial reactions...

Alex Smith was frustrated: "Going through this tape I think everybody's going to be kicking themselves."

Travis Kelce was angry: "Guys have to get called out."

Andy Reid was fatherly: "The important thing is that everybody sticks together and keeps working."

Kareem Hunt was mechanical: "We just have to be better."

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif was tactical: "The only way you improve and get out of that hole is to look at yourself in the mirror, and be critical of your work."

A carpet bombing of defense mechanisms, in other words, and now the team that was once 5-0 and the darling of the league is 6-4 and stumbling for answers. This was the worst regular season loss in recent memory, worse than anything that 2012 team did, because that 2012 team was garbage from start to miserable finish.

At the very least, this Chiefs team was supposed to raise some optimism before another predictable playoff loss, but maybe losing to one of the worst teams in the league is a fine way to save everyone the trouble.

Beating the Giants is not supposed to be a challenge. Hasn't been for anyone else lately. The Chiefs just biffed a basic act, like pouring coffee into cereal or wrecking the car on the way out of the garage. ROFLROFLROFL

There was no redeeming quality about what the Chiefs just did. This was wretched, unacceptable, bad enough to rethink everything about what they're capable of.

They have now lost once while scoring 30, and once while giving up 12. Fatal flaws remain with the defense, particularly against the run, but also with a coordinator who leaves Phil Gaines alone down the sideline with the game on the line two snaps in a row.

Derrick Johnson appears done as an effective run stopper and wasn't even on the field for stretches against the Giants. The defensive line isn't getting enough push, all of the effective pass rushers are either out or playing hurt, and their inability to cope with Eric Berry's injury shows up in different ways every week.

But at least this week, the offense deserves the swiftest kicks. The Giants gave up 82 points the last two weeks, but the Chiefs managed just nine in nearly 70 minutes. Smith made some non-competitive throws, some awful reads, and a few times did both on the same play. Once, he decided to throw deep to Ross Travis (who was well-covered) into the wind on third-and-2. On third down in the red zone, Travis Kelce broke open, but Smith didn't see him, instead throwing into Demetrius Harris' feet.

The offensive line was awful. They got beat far too often, and at other times were incoherent in execution. Geoff Schwartz, the former Chiefs lineman and brother of right tackle Mitchell Schwartz, pointed out that at least twice the Chiefs line was blocking with a run but the play call was a pass so linemen were downfield.

Reid is paid more than nearly every coach in the league, and he appears without answers. This should have been the NFL's version of a layup. He is famously reliable off a bye, and the Giants have been stunningly ineffective. Smith's struggles do not justify Reid managing just nine points.

His biggest mistake may have been a swinging gate call in the fourth quarter that called for tight end Travis Kelce to throw deep (into the wind). The Giants were not even a little fooled on the play. Kelce may have even thrown into double coverage, though at that point, what difference does it make?

The NFL built itself largely on parity, on the Any Given Sunday thing, but this was an unacceptable performance for any team good enough for trust. To be so good through five, and so bad through the next five defies logic.

In their first two games, the Chiefs beat teams that are now 15-1 against everybody else. Today, with two weeks to prepare, they lost to a team that is 1-8 against everybody else.

The Chiefs are still that team from the first five games, at least technically. Same players. Same coaches. Same system. Maybe they can get some of that back over the next six. Two years ago, they started 1-5 and ended up winning a playoff game. Stranger things have happened.

But losing like this, against an awful team that played poorly, with all the motivation that should've been there after a 1-3 stretch, coming off a bye, well, that's the kind of showing you see from a fraud.


Pasta Little Brioni 11-19-2017 11:00 PM

It's the NFL, not Bama vs. ku. I said that all week.

Best22 11-19-2017 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13228078)
It's the NFL, not Bama vs. ku. I said that all week.

True but the way we played was inexcusable

A loss to the Giants isn't what's so bad. It's how hilariously bad we played.

This is way worse than the 2014 Raiders TNF game. For a lot of reasons. I think this is probably the worst team we've lost to in the Andy Reid Era

NWTF 11-19-2017 11:07 PM

SO now even Mellinger isnt buying into the Chiefs, even calling them out as frauds. LMAO Just a couple weeks ago he was miffed at why Chiefs fans weren't buying in.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-19-2017 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 13228084)
True but the way we played was inexcusable

A loss to the Giants isn't what's so bad. It's how hilariously bad we played.

This is way worse than the 2014 Raiders TNF game. For a lot of reasons. I think this is probably the worst team we've lost to in the Andy Reid Era

Absolutely. Total shittshow.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-19-2017 11:08 PM

Team will achieve nothing till Mahomes takes the reigns

Hammock Parties 11-19-2017 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13228090)
Team will achieve nothing till Mahomes takes the reigns

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Pasta Little Brioni 11-19-2017 11:12 PM

Creature is feasting tonite

New World Order 11-19-2017 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13228078)
It's the NFL, not Bama vs. ku. I said that all week.

Time to break out 'the creature'

BryanBusby 11-19-2017 11:16 PM

Alex Smith can eat a salad bowl full of std infested cocks

thegame214 11-19-2017 11:19 PM

There's no way players in the locker room believe in that clown.

You can watch the players interviews and visibly see their frustration

BigRedChief 11-19-2017 11:26 PM

At least Superman is a Chiefs fan. https://instagram.com/p/Bbr_NP7lWKp/

Hammock Parties 11-19-2017 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thegame214 (Post 13228109)
There's no way players in the locker room believe in that clown.

You can watch the players interviews and visibly see their frustration

Travis Kelce: “Until Chiefs can beat Cover 2, we’re going to struggle”

“Teams are running Cover 2. Until we can beat Cover 2, both in the run game and the passing game, we’re going to struggle,” said Kelce.

Hammock Parties 11-19-2017 11:41 PM

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thegame214 11-19-2017 11:42 PM

Clay you're ****ing hilarious with this shit lmao

That should be Clark Hunt saying that lmao

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-19-2017 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13228126)
Travis Kelce: “Until Chiefs can beat Cover 2, we’re going to struggle”

“Teams are running Cover 2. Until we can beat Cover 2, both in the run game and the passing game, we’re going to struggle,” said Kelce.

Imagine that. The defense designed to stop the West Coast Offense works against a West Coast Offense. Everyone from high school up runs some form of Cover 2. It should have been the base defense the Chiefs always face. It's amazing it took this long for teams to start running it against them, but coaches have to use "their" system.

BryanBusby 11-19-2017 11:53 PM

Who knew an Offense from 1985 would have problems

Hammock Parties 11-19-2017 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13228151)
Who knew an Offense from 1985 would have problems

The WCO isn't the problem.

Alex Smith can't find the turkey hole.

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13228154)
The WCO isn't the problem.

Alex Smith can't find the turkey hole.

How they run it certainly is and it's ran like 1985, hence the comment.

The issue is really both, but getting rid of one of the issues should resolve the other.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2017 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13228156)
How they run it certainly is and it's ran like 1985, hence the comment.

The issue is really both, but getting rid of one of the issues should resolve the other.

You're absolutely right. The QB is limited, therefore the gameplan has to be similarly limited.

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 12:07 AM

There are some additional issues, but yes the limpdick at QB is the largest by far. That ****er has been given a pass for way too long.

tk13 11-20-2017 12:13 AM

I don't think this is a championship team because you need two things, a QB and a pass rush and this team doesn't have either of those things playing at the level we need.

At the same time, the Steelers lost to the Bears with Mike Glennon at QB. That's the NFL.

mnchiefsguy 11-20-2017 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NWTF (Post 13228086)
SO now even Mellinger isnt buying into the Chiefs, even calling them out as frauds. LMAO Just a couple weeks ago he was miffed at why Chiefs fans weren't buying in.

Yeah. **** you Mellinger.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2017 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13228168)
Yeah. **** you Mellinger.

Mellinger has too much nice guy in him.

He needs to go full Whitlock.

Buehler445 11-20-2017 12:21 AM

That article isn’t overt about it, but godDAMN it is a scathing article. And there isn’t anything anyone can say to refute it.

Good read. Thanks for posting.

bigjosh 11-20-2017 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13228158)
You're absolutely right. The QB is limited, therefore the gameplan has to be similarly limited.

I know. I seem to remember the eagles offense being pretty good for the better part of a decade, even with kolb.

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Best22 11-20-2017 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13228165)
I don't think this is a championship team because you need two things, a QB and a pass rush and this team doesn't have either of those things playing at the level we need.

At the same time, the Steelers lost to the Bears with Mike Glennon at QB. That's the NFL.

Bears are always tough at home

The Giants were wretched at home

I really think we gotta wait till next year or Mahomes for real excitement

Simply Red 11-20-2017 01:02 AM

shit conditions - nothing lost within the divi - chill son.

Hammock Parties 11-20-2017 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13228212)
shit conditions - nothing lost within the divi - chill son.

You ever heard of a ****ing bye week?

Red Dawg 11-20-2017 07:27 AM

This team had one problem. Smith. He is not good and no defense is afraid of his skills. Gang up and hit Hunt kills the offense. Smith can't win with his arm and that is it. That's the only plan any defense needs.

TEX 11-20-2017 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 13228212)
shit conditions - nothing lost within the divi - chill son.

Um...Even chilled, the Chargers got a game closer.

InChiefsHeaven 11-20-2017 08:19 AM

Of all the first place teams IN THE LEAGUE...Chiefs are last. W...T...F??? This team is so friggin' lost. Losing that game was such a Chiefy thing to do though, we might have expected it. I didn't, but I guess I should have.

ChiTown 11-20-2017 08:28 AM

I was busy all weekend, and didn’t see any NFL games this weekend. I’m so glad I was unable to watch that shit show. This franchise is a complete joke

duncan_idaho 11-20-2017 08:33 AM

The way to beat a Cover 2 in a WCO is to make throws to the gaps on the sideline, between the corner and safety, and to hit routes deep down the seam/middle.

When you're a chickenshit coward when it comes to throwing the football, those are the toughest throws to make.


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PAChiefsGuy 11-20-2017 08:39 AM

It means we are struggling right now and in a bit of a slump. That's all. Next week is another game. Still plenty of time to get things going back in the right direction.

Calcountry 11-20-2017 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13228356)
I was busy all weekend, and didn’t see any NFL games this weekend. I’m so glad I was unable to watch that shit show. This franchise is a complete joke

Believe it or not, the game was available for free in California, probably because of the New York team.

Anyway, I taped it, glad I did. As soon as I see the movie that I have seen hundreds of times in my fanlife I start fast forwarding, stopping every now and again to assess my assumptions and the see I told you so's to my son just kept coming.

Glad I missed the commercials, cause anyone who advertises on that product doesn't deserve to sell anything. Glad I saved more than 2 hours of my life for more productive things.

kcpasco 11-20-2017 08:43 AM

Broncos are horrible. Raiders are probably toast with their schedule. But the Chargers have a really easy schedule and Rivers isn’t a giant pussy.

Time to man up Smitty.

redfan 11-20-2017 08:52 AM

I totally called it:
"Giants will get the FG to go ahead but Chiefs will get a FG to tie it up, only to lose in OT."
I hate that it was so predictable, even I could see it. Because, chuuefs.

Stryker 11-20-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 13228337)
Of all the first place teams IN THE LEAGUE...Chiefs are last. W...T...F??? This team is so friggin' lost. Losing that game was such a Chiefy thing to do though, we might have expected it. I didn't, but I guess I should have.

Man I could not agree more. Now we are the 4th seed behind Jacksonville. Just wow.

Calcountry 11-20-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by redhed (Post 13228396)
I totally called it:
"Giants will get the FG to go ahead but Chiefs will get a FG to tie it up, only to lose in OT."
I hate that it was so predictable, even I could see it. Because, chuuefs.

The Kansas City Chiefs??? Chefs maybe, but, more like Chumps.

Ragged Robin 11-20-2017 11:34 AM

Not sure why everyone's so surprised or mad about the loss. The Chiefs are a terrible team, always have been.

gold_and_red 11-20-2017 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 13228797)
Not sure why everyone's so surprised or mad about the loss. The Chiefs are a terrible team, always have been.

The 5-0 start fooled everybody. This was always a QB transition year. Also didn't expect the division to be this bad. Now fans have difficulty readjusting expectations.

Ragged Robin 11-20-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gold_and_red (Post 13228804)
The 5-0 start fooled everybody. This was always a QB transition year. Also didn't expect the division to be this bad. Now fans have difficulty readjusting expectations.

they went 9-0 in 2013 with the same QB and head coach, how could any of these idiots forget ROFL

FloridaMan88 11-20-2017 11:44 AM

Gaines, Harris, DAT, No Knees Hali, Washed up DJ, Bob Sutton, Andy Heck, Playcaller Andy Reid, and yes... Alex Smith, should all long ago have lost their jobs due to mediocre or declining performances, yet in Andy Reid's Cupcake World of No Accountability nothing changes.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-20-2017 11:47 AM

So, every team in the league save for three is terrible too then. The Chiefs beat two of them and took a fluke bounce to lose to the third. Got it. The whole league ****ing blows. The level of play is pure abomination.

Best22 11-20-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragged Robin (Post 13228814)
they went 9-0 in 2013 with the same QB and head coach, how could any of these idiots forget ROFL

This team looked better

We were fooled

ARROW2 11-20-2017 11:59 AM

I was never excited for 5-0 because I KNEW this day was coming. Mahomes to me, won the job but they don't want to hurt Alex's feewings.

ARROW2 11-20-2017 12:00 PM

he is tearing shit up every day and the players see this shit.

Marcellus 11-20-2017 12:15 PM

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The offensive line was awful. They got beat far too often, and at other times were incoherent in execution. Geoff Schwartz, the former Chiefs lineman and brother of right tackle Mitchell Schwartz, pointed out that at least twice the Chiefs line was blocking with a run but the play call was a pass so linemen were downfield.
How in the blue **** is this even possible?

The Franchise 11-20-2017 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13228915)
How in the blue **** is this even possible?

Miscommunication with their QB?


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