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Titty Meat 11-20-2017 03:44 AM

LNBS: You are Veach 2018
 
With the 2017 being a wrap after today even if they make the playoffs and beat a weak ass team round 1 only to get piss pounded by NE or Pitt so what? Where do you go from here?

First thing I do if in Veach:

I actually re-sign Logan who's played ok but gets double teamed alot.

I sign Donkey Kong Suh to play end and bring some attitude and toughness.

Don't resign Allen Bailey and trade Alex Smith for a third. Don't bring back DJ, Hali, Akeen Hunt or Ford.

Release Phillip Gaines and Terrance Mitchell.

Sign: Maurice Claiborne, Teddy Bridgwater to be the #2, Rex Burkhead as a legit #2/ 3rd down back draft Chris Jones in round 3, and sign Tim Jerigan.


Flame me.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-20-2017 04:45 AM

Stop drinking

Coochie liquor 11-20-2017 05:28 AM

If I'm Veach, I don't listen to football takes from McDonalds employees ideas from an internet message board...

kccrow 11-20-2017 09:53 AM

Get your Bud Lighhhhhhhhhht here!

Molitoth 11-20-2017 10:26 AM

All of those moves are fine. Nice job.

chiefs1111 11-20-2017 10:33 AM

Tim Jerigan recently signed an extension with the Eagles I believe

Eleazar 11-20-2017 10:34 AM

^ if those were Veach's ideas I'd tell him to put the Madden controller down, go to bed, and head off to work in the real world the next morning.

cooper barrett 11-20-2017 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13228250)
Stop drinking

I think he's past the booze

DaneMcCloud 11-20-2017 10:38 AM

The NFL isn't Madden

lcarus 11-20-2017 10:39 AM

https://media.giphy.com/media/5DUDjOc0TdP4Q/source.gif

The Franchise 11-20-2017 10:45 AM

Obvious moves?

1. Cut Alex Smith - $17 million cap space gained
2. Cut Derrick Johnson - $8 million cap space gained
3. Cut Tamba Hali - $8 million cap space gained
4. Cut Dee Ford - $8.7 million cap space gained
5. Cut Demetrius Harris - $2 million cap space gained

After cuts, our cap space sits at $42 million.

Sign the following FAs.

ILB, Zach Brown
OLB/DE, Barkevious Mingo
NT, Bennie Logan (resign)
CB, Morris Claiborne

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 10:56 AM

I don't see the appeal with giving Logan an extension. Spend a day 3 pick on a fatty and get similar production for a tenth of the cost.

He's a total ****ing jag

RippedmyFlesh 11-20-2017 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13228666)
CB, Morris Claiborne

If you are Claiborne what a great spot to come to. Opposite peters teams
are going to come at you. He could put up all pro numbers with all those opportunities.

Titty Meat 11-20-2017 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 13228255)
If I'm Veach, I don't listen to football takes from McDonalds employees ideas from an internet message board...

Or dumbasses with lesbian ms 13 looking people in their avatars

RealSNR 11-20-2017 11:28 AM

We need a real OLB. We needed one last year. Didn't get one. We needed one this year. Didn't get one.

Hali/Ford is an AIDS fest, and in my opinion, it's a bigger problem than no ILBs. Johnson will be gone after this year. We can survive on mediocre replacements like KPL, Ragland, and Ramik Wilson. But I'm sick of having no pass rush.

Of course, that also depends on our idiot defensive coordinator actually using the pass rushers he's got.

Titty Meat 11-20-2017 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13228776)
We need a real OLB. We needed one last year. Didn't get one. We needed one this year. Didn't get one.

Hali/Ford is an AIDS fest, and in my opinion, it's a bigger problem than no ILBs. Johnson will be gone after this year. We can survive on mediocre replacements like KPL, Ragland, and Ramik Wilson. But I'm sick of having no pass rush.

Of course, that also depends on our idiot defensive coordinator actually using the pass rushers he's got.

What would you do with Houston?

Molitoth 11-20-2017 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter Libby (Post 13228778)
What would you do with Houston?

Utilize him in a new defensive scheme.

OKchiefs 11-20-2017 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter Libby (Post 13228778)
What would you do with Houston?

I'm guessing it's cost prohibitive to release him and he's sadly the best we have, but he's not a dominant player anymore. I'm counting down the days until he's gone.

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 11:52 AM

It starts with the DL. They can't collapse shit to actually push the QB out to our lame ass edge-rushing, which makes Mr MVP Zombo work extra for anything.

The DL is shit and the dumbass coordinator thinks it's cool and good to rock and roll with just 2 of them. Can't imagine why we can't rush shit.

Best22 11-20-2017 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter Libby (Post 13228778)
What would you do with Houston?

He'll still be around. Because money, and of course, who can we get that is better?

Tribal Warfare 11-20-2017 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13228853)
It starts with the DL. They can't collapse shit to actually push the QB out to our lame ass edge-rushing, which makes Mr MVP Zombo work extra for anything.

The DL is shit and the dumbass coordinator thinks it's cool and good to rock and roll with just 2 of them. Can't imagine why we can't rush shit.

Chris Jones, IMO his scoped knee is ****ing with him. He's not using passrush moves he did as a rookie and can't shed blocks in comparison to last season.

tooge 11-20-2017 12:27 PM

Ok, so realistic? The OP is a pipe dream. Bridgewater wont sign to be the #2, and building a roster with a bunch of high priced free agents rarely works.

I'd go the Dick Vermiel route. He brought in Willie Roaf first thing. Then shored up the offensive line, grabbed then the amazing back, and traded for the QB. Well, we've got the QB (Mahomes), and the solid back and TE. So, I'd trade smith for a 3rd, dump a bunch of old dudes as the OP mentioned, selectively seek out a couple of free agent fatties, then hire an aggresive defensive coordinator that runs a more attacking style D. This team is too far from being a SB contender if you ask me, to do anything other than start rebuilding the trenches. Got to win there first. So, I'd draft and sign good fatties on both sides of the ball in the off season, and then start going after other parts the following off season. That'd be Mahomes third season, and if he'd gonna be good, then the chiefs would be a contender.

The Franchise 11-20-2017 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 13228946)
Ok, so realistic? The OP is a pipe dream. Bridgewater wont sign to be the #2, and building a roster with a bunch of high priced free agents rarely works.

I'd go the Dick Vermiel route. He brought in Willie Roaf first thing. Then shored up the offensive line, grabbed then the amazing back, and traded for the QB. Well, we've got the QB (Mahomes), and the solid back and TE. So, I'd trade smith for a 3rd, dump a bunch of old dudes as the OP mentioned, selectively seek out a couple of free agent fatties, then hire an aggresive defensive coordinator that runs a more attacking style D. This team is too far from being a SB contender if you ask me, to do anything other than start rebuilding the trenches. Got to win there first. So, I'd draft and sign good fatties on both sides of the ball in the off season, and then start going after other parts the following off season. That'd be Mahomes third season, and if he'd gonna be good, then the chiefs would be a contender.

The offensive line isn't changing much next year. You may see a new LG....but I'm pretty sure that Ehinger would fill that spot.

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 13228928)
Chris Jones, IMO his scoped knee is ****ing with him. He's not using passrush moves he did as a rookie and can't shed blocks in comparison to last season.

Half that, half soph slump.

He'll be fine, but the other 2 need to go

dj56dt58 11-20-2017 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13228776)
We need a real OLB. We needed one last year. Didn't get one. We needed one this year. Didn't get one.

Hali/Ford is an AIDS fest, and in my opinion, it's a bigger problem than no ILBs. Johnson will be gone after this year. We can survive on mediocre replacements like KPL, Ragland, and Ramik Wilson. But I'm sick of having no pass rush.

Of course, that also depends on our idiot defensive coordinator actually using the pass rushers he's got.

Hard to get a pass rush when at least 2 receivers are open half a second after the ball is snapped. Might help if we actually jammed guys at the line rather than give them a 10 yard ****ing cushion every play

Red Dawg 11-20-2017 02:33 PM

First thing is I'm canning Sutton. Next I would do what I must to get legit LT and move Fish to guard. Money be damned. Then I'm trading Peters, who will never stay here anyway, for a one pick and using that pick on a real CB that can play tough. The rest would all be about the OL. We need Hunt and Mahomes to have a real chance.

Tribal Warfare 11-20-2017 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13228951)
Half that, half soph slump.

He'll be fine, but the other 2 need to go

I hope he'll be more than fine because the way he was progressing last season, I thought he'll be shoulder to shoulder with Joey Bosa as the young elite DL of young DL

ToxSocks 11-20-2017 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13228948)
The offensive line isn't changing much next year. You may see a new LG....but I'm pretty sure that Ehinger would fill that spot.

This. People need to get over the OL thing. This is the OL for the next 2 seasons at least. I'm not sold that they're even the issue.

The Franchise 11-20-2017 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13229273)
This. People need to get over the OL thing. This is the OL for the next 2 seasons at least. I'm not sold that they're even the issue.

They have their bugs but they aren't bad by any means. No one was complaining about them in the beginning of the year when Smith had his nuts out. Now he reacts to phantom pressure and all of a sudden it's the offensive line's fault. Mahomes will have a decent offensive line next year. They really only need to find a swing tackle and some decent depth if Fulton leaves in FA.

Coochie liquor 11-20-2017 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter Libby (Post 13228755)
Or dumbasses with lesbian ms 13 looking people in their avatars

So still basically you then?? Got it!

T-post Tom 11-20-2017 03:05 PM

Get a new DC that can successfully convert the defense to a 4-3. Let him pick his staff. Houston stays... DJ, Ford, Gaines & Hali are gone.

Alex traded. Mahomes starts. Find legit LT that can pass block.

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13228948)
The offensive line isn't changing much next year. You may see a new LG....but I'm pretty sure that Ehinger would fill that spot.

Eh, if they have a shot at making an upgrade at LG in the draft I would do it.

Ehringer apparently has super aids, so he wouldn't be in my plans.

Marcellus 11-20-2017 03:34 PM

I wouldn't give Suh $10. **** that guy.

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 03:36 PM

I have no idea why he's mentioning Suh. He's playing at an elite level and isn't a realistic cut for Miami till at least 2019.

kccrow 11-20-2017 05:19 PM

You want my serious answer, it's create an identity. This team doesn't have one. They aren't good on offense and they aren't good on defense. You go all in this offseason on one side or the other and give this team hope to hang it's hat on.

You want to be a good offense? Go out and get a legit WR in the passing game, a bulldozer at LG, then sprinkle in a good slot option. Maybe put some emphasis on developmental lineman as well. Load up and give Mahomes no excuse not to set the world on fire day 1.

Else, you go out and get the best CB on the market and the best DL, then hit the draft up for another CB, a pass rusher or two, and just depth across the board. Draft another nickel style corner in case Nelson hits the tub again.

Get rid of the trash. Thank DJ and Tamba for their service. Send Gaines packing. Escord Smith to the first available flight out of town. Etc.....

This team is a rudderless ship stuck in the abyss.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-20-2017 05:26 PM

Hure billay as water boy

Titty Meat 11-20-2017 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13229393)
I have no idea why he's mentioning Suh. He's playing at an elite level and isn't a realistic cut for Miami till at least 2019.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...d-2017-season/

BryanBusby 11-20-2017 05:36 PM

He's an idiot. Miami not taking a 22m hit for 4m savings.

Chiefshrink 11-20-2017 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 13228685)
If you are Claiborne what a great spot to come to. Opposite peters teams
are going to come at you. He could put up all pro numbers with all those opportunities.

He is dumb as a box of rocks and why Dallas gave up on him. Waaaaay overrated !!!! If this is the same Claiborne that was drafted by Dallas in the 1st rd from LSU.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-20-2017 08:23 PM

I hope Veach prioritizes strengthening the defense and LG position. Also TE2.

If we can give Mahomes the defense we used to have, that will go a long ways

DaneMcCloud 11-20-2017 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13230173)
I hope Veach prioritizes strengthening the defense and LG position. Also TE2.

If we can give Mahomes the defense we used to have, that will go a long ways

That’s a lot to ask of a team that doesn’t have a 1st rounder, thus very little draft capital.

2018 Free Agents don’t offer much of a solution, either.

JakeF 11-20-2017 09:00 PM

The same Logan that is NT for the 29th ranked run defense in the league?

Not sure how much we get out of players with coaches that can't seem to coach guys up. Andy Heck and Britt Reid rate just slightly above 'Stank Ass'. Sutton can't scheme a decent blitz to save his nuts.

Start with a entirely new defensive coaching staff since we will never fire Andy Reid.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-20-2017 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13230260)
That’s a lot to ask of a team that doesn’t have a 1st rounder, thus very little draft capital.

2018 Free Agents don’t offer much of a solution, either.

Hard to say. Ragland is starting to come around at ILB and they have building blocks in place defensively with Peters, Berry, Houston, and Jones. If they can just find some temporary upgrades at a couple of positions, it'd help. Cross your fingers that Veach finds some diamonds in the mid rounds.

The offense is already basically set and all under contract. LG is the only position that for sure needs addressed, but another WR and TE would be great.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-21-2017 11:04 AM

Not suggesting they should, but I won't be surprised if KC keeps Ford for his $8M option in 2018. Cutting Smith, Hali, and DJ alone gets them to $32M in cap space. The FA class leaves much to be desired, so I doubt they use all that much money this offseason anyways. Getting to $40M+ by cutting Ford may not do a whole lot for them with that being the case.

RunKC 11-21-2017 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13230260)
That’s a lot to ask of a team that doesn’t have a 1st rounder, thus very little draft capital.

2018 Free Agents don’t offer much of a solution, either.

I think that Reggie Ragland made the loss of the 1st round pick less painful. That was a steal by Veach and he's starting to really turn it on.

I think we've found one of our ILB's of the future and KPL has been decent as well.

Really excited to see what Veach does next year because if anything, we've seen the guy steal 2 good players in limited time.

T-post Tom 11-21-2017 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13230963)
Not suggesting they should, but I won't be surprised if KC keeps Ford for his $8M option in 2018. Cutting Smith, Hali, and DJ alone gets them to $32M in cap space. The FA class leaves much to be desired, so I doubt they use all that much money this offseason anyways. Getting to $40M+ by cutting Ford may not do a whole lot for them with that being the case.

Smith will be traded, not cut. :D

oldman 11-21-2017 01:48 PM

What if Hali and DJ say they've had enough and retire? Do we have any dead money tied up in them?
Dee Ford and Gaines can look for a groupon on the next Greyhound bus out of town. I like Eligwe a lot, with Ragland and KPL as the starters. Kpass needs to bulk up, but he has promise at OLB. Ware will be back, so with Hunt and West, we should be OK at RB. I still think Conley can be a legit #2 WR. The real need I see is at CB. Sign a FA or 2 and draft us another.

Dunerdr 11-21-2017 06:55 PM

a mediocre shaun smithish cb (the shithead atl just cut would be too perfect) with berry coming back and nelson in the slot makes this a more than formidable secondary. I believe the linebackers will be eligwe and and ragland in the middle. we resign logan, and look for a journeyman dl. then focus on olb. no pass rush and not bumping receivers at the line is killing us.


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