Patrick Mahomes Question Looms Large as Alex Smith Continues to Struggle
 

Patrick Mahomes Question Looms Large as Alex Smith's Struggles Continue

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There's a part of me that really hopes we win Sunday in spite of another poor Alex performance. I don't think they pull him out unless he nearly loses another game, or actually does.

Well then GO BILLS!!!!

If Smith continues to play like he has been and Reid refuses to bench him.....then I hope they lose every ****ing game the rest of the season.

We just got embarrassed by one of the worst teams in the NFL this year. There is no guarantee that we win any more games this year.

If we lose a bunch of the remaining games, I think it will ben because the team has given up on Smith. Yesterday was one of the rare games where you could pin almost 90% of the blame on him. If he keeps that up, everyone else will give up.

I just watched the Cowboys and Giants game again (I'm off all week).

The offense is sputtering bc of Alex. Andy can't cover his flaws up any longer. We started hot because teams didn't have film on us and didn't know how to stop the new shovel pass and RPO option plays. Now everyone has tape of it bc it's been copied, as well as the Steelers setting the blueprint.

Andy must be exhausted trying to come up with gimmick plays and wrinkles bc his QB can't succeed with basic play calls.

Still don't see Reid bailing on Smith bar an injury...I mean if yesterday won't do it, nothing will.

Same here.

People think the gimmick plays are just Andy being crazy.

Its because he has to hide Alex's flaws.

Watch McNabb/Vick/ Garcia hell even Kolb and you'll see an entirely different offense

Sad but true

It's not like Reid has to reinvent the wheel. I am pretty sure that Reid has a huge playbook and there are all ready plays in place to take advantage of Mahome's talents. Cant wait until he plays.

When you have your TE attempt to make a throw you know your STARTING QUARTERBACK can't....something is definitely wrong.

¿Can you run hail mary on 1st and 10 an your own 20?

And your TE has a stronger arm.

The only way Mahomes sees the field this year is if we fall to 9 losses or an Alex Smith injury. Sadly. Because I'm sure Andy "promised Alex the season and he's stickin to it doggone it".

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LOL right...just insanity.

That was exactly the first thought that went through my head when they ran that play.

The leash is MUCH shorter than that. If we lose to the bills due to poor offense....thats it....i m o

With Mahomes it would be fun to watch.

Once the attendance starts to drop below the normal November/December threshold, you'll see a change. Luckily not alot of people will want to go out to the games just because of the lackluster matchups.

I wish I could believe that. But I feel pretty damn sure as long as we're in the division lead they're gonna play this shit out. I pray I'm wrong. If we lose to Buffalo and the offense puts up 10 pts...I mean for ****s sake the Giants loss should be the end!

Mutha****as admit we ain't going nowhere with Alex but want to stick with him? WHAT ****ING SENSE DOES THAT MAKE? Just to argue with MY ASS and you want to be right? You stupid as a mutha****a. Quit being a little bitch and admit the truth. **** your little personal feeling towards me. MAN UP!!!!

It's what I said all day after the game.

Wentz and Goff are doing more drop-back-and-read-the-defense than Alex. Even when KC was thriving early they only called 10 or 15 drop back passes per game. Less than half of his pass attempts required him to read the defense.

Drop back
Shuffle
Shuffle
Scramble/sack

That's Alex's cover 2 breaker. Panic and run. Teams are demanding Alex beat them with drop back quarterbacking, and he can't even whip the Giants or Cowboys bad defenses.

As I said before PMII is Chase Daniel 2.0 in Andy's mind and he'll ride it out with Alex unless he gets injured then Mahomes will get his chance. Furthermore, next season is when our Christmas present will be unwrapped in the form of PMII wearing #5 as his jersey .

There is no way in which comparing Mahomes to Chase Daniel makes any sense.

There is if he is the last alternative. ANDY will avoid starting Pat as if it was death itself. Next season will be Mahomes' time to shine

And he has realized this only after 4 years? I would have brought in some real QB competition through FA or the draft immediately following the 2014 season where we choked our way out of the playoffs without a single WR TD. Instead the moronic trifecta of Hunt, Dorsey and Reid reward Alex with an extension because Chiefs!

For this year, yes.

There is no doubt about the timing. The Chiefs have the opportunity to dump Alexs contract with minimal penalty. Barring an elite playoff performance, this is undoubtedly Alexs last season with the Chiefs. Saving $16m especially given our cap situation is a very very big deal.

Fans get screwed by Andy all year. That's my predicyion.

Benching Alex now is premature. Allow him to have one more bad start, then pull him. Reid has to know the temperature of the team: he doesn't want to lose them or anger veterans yet. But if Alex starts poorly against the Bills, no one will be able to question it. By then Alex's trade value would be irretrievably lost.

It's all about calculating the right time to make the move. It won't be for Alex's sake, it will all be about doing what's best for the team now and in the future

So let Alex start next week. It will give Reid enough evidence to make the change. And yes, it will happen if this continues. Reid won't stand to get embarrassed by Smith

2014 Alex wins that game vs NYG

What we are seeing is a man in regression

Nonsense.

Alex played above himself for a few week early this season due to Nagy's scheming.

Scheming specifically designed to avoid asking him to be a QB and drop back and read defenses.

He hasn't regressed. This is the Alex we've seen for 5 years. The guy from the early part of the season was clearly an anomaly. Regression to the mean is what we're seeing now, and it's something most of us expected to happen.

Yeah, we HOPED he could ride it out a full season, but that was naive. Seeing Alex struggle against bad defenses is NOT a new thing.

Sunday was the worst I've ever seen him play

who are you talking to, do you even know?

You should rewatch the turd he laid against Tennessee last season.

He played like trash against he Panthers, but hey... Eric Berry and Marcus Peters won the game for him. D can't do that this season.

Yes, this game was worse

First time we failed to score atleast 10 in the Andy Reid era. And it was against a 1-9 team

I was firmly in the "let him sit and learn" crowd until yesterday. I don't care if the wind was blowing 50 MPH, there's no excuse for bouncing passes 5 yards in front of a receiver. Wind won't be a problem in Minneapolis, but there aren't any domes on the road to get there.
You can make all the arguments you want about making him lose his confidence or getting him hurt, but that's football. Play the kid, play him now, and get what you can for Smith in the off season. If we're 1 and done with Mahomes in the post season, so be it. We're not going to get much farther with Smith if even that.

This is where I'm at. Chiefs deserve to lose if not going give our future a chance and opportunity to do what we drafted him for.

They are really holding back our future by not playing Patrick Mahomes II.

There is no good reason not to play Mahomes any more. Andy is just sticking to his word and now we all get to suffer for it another 6 games.

Andy is sticking to his word? Where has Andy ever said he wouldn't play Mahomes?

What makes you think anybody on the team wants to stick with Shitty? I would think most are ready to make the move.

Great listen.

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Why does he deserve one more start? He had 2 weeks to prepare for one of the worst teams in the league and he played one of his worst games as a Chief. He had his 15 minutes of fame in the first 5 weeks and now teams know how to fluster him. The other players are already angry and throwing in the towel. The only way Andy is going to save this season is by putting Mahomes in and lifting everybody's enthusiasm. Alex doesn't deserve another start, he deserves to be demoted to third string!

THIS!!!! What, 13 years, 4 1/2 of which are in KC and the last 5 games are not enough evidence? It drives me ****ing nuts when I hear "If he keeps this up, then bench him..." WHAT DA ****?!! What are we waiting on, the chargers to catch us?

I don't think he's regressed so much as teams have adjusted. Alex has said this, hell even Kelce has said this.

The team can't beat Cover-2. And by team, the QB.

Alex was taking shots when he had 1v1 chances downfield...aka man coverage.

Teams woke up after the Steelers game and put a stop to that shit.

50,000 views and 650 shares on the Mahomes video on FB.

Arrowhead is ready.

Can confirm. I'll be there next week, offering Andy my free advice on who to play at the quarterback position.

This would be the perfect time to make the switch IMO. Smith had that "QB breathing down his neck to take his job motivation" at the beginning but that has worn off. Put Mahomes in now and he has 6 games against potentially beatable teams to settle in. The team would rally around him without question.

Alex doesn't deserve anything. I think Reid wants to wait until it is abundantly clear that he needs to go. The NYG game was the holes in the coffin. The Bills will provide the nail

Then go to Mahomes!

gonna be a lot of people around here looking for some pills to OD on if Mahomes turns into the next RGIII.

No need to worry, arrow has promised us HOF QB stature and at least 13 super bowls. We'll be fine.

Difference is Mahomes game doesn't rely on mobility and speed

Also let's be real, RGIII was too skinny....Mahomes could afford to lose a few pounds.

Not that Tyler Bray being a backup is anywhere close to a good idea, the Chiefs FO kinda ****ed up by not having a magically quiet injury that placed Mahomes on the IR list so there'd be no chance of any sort of QB controversy.

Yea I guess we better play it safe and give Alex an extension then.

I would rather watch Mahomes crash and burn like Ryan Leaf than waste any more time watching Alex Smith tease us snap after snap, game after game, year after year.

Bray was never good, impressive, or smart in any way. Mahomes is the type that could start a true controversy.

Bray only had an arm.

Mahomes has vision, confidence, desire to attack a defense, strength, and the ARM.

I don't believe the Chiefs are afraid of a QB controversy any more than anybody else. We could have drafted help for Alex. Instead we traded up for Mahomes. That clearly caused controversy from the start. This isn't 1975, the Chiefs are here to win and they won't let Alex keep them from doing it.

no, but perhaps it's wise to let him develop without being rushed.

Again, there is a REASON we traded up and gave up premium picks for Mahomes!!!

You do realize that RG3's downfall was the injury, right?

Thanks in part to Shanarat running dumbass QB post routes.

There is nothing we saw from Mahomes during preseason or the reports coming from practice since then to make anyone believe he isn't ready right now.

Do you think Deshawn Watson is a much better QB than Mahomes?

yet, HE is on the bench. What a ****ing joke

If Alex is dog**** in the first half vs. Buffalo and we trail, I think the change will be made

As long as the rest of the AFC West is trailing us.....a change won't be made.

If this happens I'm going to hate the Chiefs even more. I want to be there at the first Mahomie start.

"we've struggled on offense the last 5 weeks, so as a coach, it's on me to make a change to give this team a spark to get the offense going. So, I've made the decision today to move Dustin Colquitt to Left Guard. Our guys are ready; he's a good leader, and they'll rally around him".

I would expect that kind of comment from Andy, before I expect him to bench Smith.

Wouldn't it be so neat if we slither into the playoffs with Alice and then Boom Reid puts in Mahomes with no notice to the opposing team.

PLEASE let it happen so I can enjoy football again.

Only if your a butt****ing moron.


Dump him draft a new one if he sucks in a couple years and draft a new one.

Or be a deadbeat franchise and recycle other peoples QB trash.

Not rocket surgery.

and that's a ****ing shame. What are we waiting on, the chargers to catch us?

Look at the rest of their schedule.

@Cowboys
vs. Browns
vs. Redskins
@Chiefs
@Jets
vs Raiders

That should be at least 3 wins....not including if we shit the bed against them. They could have a chance against the Cowboys as well considering how shitty they are without Elliott.

Losing 4 out of the last 5 isn't enough to facilitate a change? This makes me want to punch somebody.

Just cant see Reid yanking Smith yet, it will take repeated performances like yesterday... and maybe not even then

With the rules heavily favoring the offense and over protection of quarterbacks it's not as scary to put a rookie quarterback in the lineup. Scores of rookie quarterbacks have had success against defenses that can't hit a quarterback or impede receivers. This isn't the 1970's when you had linebackers looking to take the quarterback out with a bone crushing hit. Mahomes has escapability and can keep his eyes down field to find open receivers. Why you have a weapon like that and refuse to unleash it on opposing defenses in unbelievable. Put the kid in there and sit back and reap the benefits.

He won't. I'm sure Smith will come back with his usual 225 yards with 1 TD and no INTs next week against Buffalo and everything will be alright in Reid's mind.

Its hard to imagine what it would take for Reid to pull the trigger, I assume it would have to get VERY bad... the guy is just sooo stubborn about making certain changes

But it doesnt seem like it will get any better from here, Kelce spilled the beans about not being able to beat Cover 2... and when he says 'we' cant beat C2, he really means Smith cant beat it

He simply will not take deep shots with two safeties over the top

The QB can't beat Cover 2, a defense that little league and High School teams use as a base because of its simplicity.

Let that sink in.

Cover 2 is literally daring an offense to go deep. As most probably know, it's designed to take away all underneath lanes.

Kelce is indirectly pointing right at the PumpCuck.

Its not all about underneath lanes

Not really. The cover 2 is designed to prevent the deep pass by keeping 2 deep safeties. It’s weakness is the midrange throws Alex has been struggling at.

Guys, cover 2 is meant to stop underneath throws. It leaves the two safeties alone up top to cover halves of the field. Cover 2 means it's a 2-deep shell. Just as cover 3 is 3-deep, leaving one safety and the two corners to cover thirds of the deep field. And cover 4 is 4-deep, leaving two safeties and both corners to cover quarters of the deep field.

I'm not meaning to sound like a smart ass, but it's a lot harder to cover deep parts of the field with 2 high players than it is with 3 or 4.