Herm Edwards will interview for Arizona State HC job
 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-this-weekend/

We don't have any Sun Devil fans here on CP, do we? If so, we need to keep them on suicide watch

ROFL

It might work because Herm could be a great recruiter

Get ready for non-arena league football.

I thought for years Herm would be a great college coach because he's a master bullshitter and players love him, but at this point I think he's too old and too removed from the NFL.

good for him, hope he gets it.

My thoughts are similar to Hamas and Tribal. He seems like he would have been one of those good college coaches that could motivate the kids and have them ready to run through a wall for him...but I think even that time has probably passed him by.

Herm cruising Mill Ave.

Yes he's too far removed from coaching and I don't think his philosophy fits in with a conference like the PAC. Would be more ideal for the Big10 or SEC.

You play to win the job. You play to win the job.

Hahahhaha. That would be a sight for sure.

Everybody keeps saying that. But even a high school kid would have to look past his dumb****ery wouldn’t they?

**** Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards. **** him for wrecking my franchise. But I do hope he gets it so he will get the **** off my radio and television.

Was waiting patiently for you to make an appearance in this thread

Rightfully so. I hate that grandstanding douche fraud.

He is too far removed from coaching. But I think people forget that he openly embraced Gaileys pistol offense which was wide open. And heimidinger, who if not for Penningtons injured noodle arm, might have run a pretty vertical offense. I don't think he's as sold on r2p2 as people remember. The Tampa 2, on the other hand... That isn't going to work.

Yes....proud Alum from ASU. A lot of us are pissed to the hill over this news.

I hope he gets it so I don't have to change stations anymore when he comes on to provide "expert analysis".

****ing horseshit. He was and still is, if you’ve listened to a word he has said on ESPN, absolutely ****ing clueless on how you score points against a defense. Accordingly, he can’t know anything about scheming because he is openly clueless about offense.

Solaris was his ****ing guy and he hated Gaileys stuff.

When I read this I knew Buehler445 would be running out to get ASU season tickets.

I'm going to get Beuhler some Sun Devil gear.

Yes....that was my first thought as well.

Solari wasn't his guy. He was Carl Petersons.

There was talk that if he stayed one more year he would have kept going with Gaileys pistol and spread. No indication whatsoever that he hated the offense. Except because you don't like him. And I don't know what Gailey has to do with Palko. Gailey ran a college offense with the Chiefs.

ROFL True friend you are.

I don't think herm was ever anything more than a serviceable nfl coach. But the hate is totally overblown. What kind of caliber of coaches does a program like ASU think they're going to get? There have been much much worse nfl coaches, and there are a hell of a lot of even major college program schools who aren't any better.

If people hate herms offense, I wonder how they'd feel watching urban run the same read option over and over again. But he does just fine.

I didn’t say shit about Palko. Where is that coming from?

Maybe Solari wasn’t his guy but he wanted what Solari put out.

I know he hated what Gailey was doing because he would go to a press conference and talk about running the ball, controlling the clock, and playing tough power football and then a day later Gailey is out there throwing passes to the QB split out wide.

You really think that if Saunders’ system (with a ****load of power run game) is a “circus offense” that he loathed so much that a shitload of gadget plays and QB scrambles isn’t?

Come on man. I get it that you’re the last guy on the planet that doesn’t think Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards is pure fraud doesn’t mean he was the least bit progressive offensively. He never said anything in any conference ever about attacking weaknesses or creating matchups. He’s too stupid to understand it. It’s reinforced by his “analysis” on ESPN. It’s always “if you’ve got a guy that can throw 40 times and not turn it over you’re going to be hard to beat”. He gives no indication as to why teams can throw it 40 times without turning it over and others can’t. He’s just too stupid to understand scheme.

His buddy Lovie Smith isnt doing so well in the B1G

Illinois is a shit heap, so not surprised.

Happy for Herm. He'll make a great college coach. Players and parents will love him. Wishing him great success. Go Herm! (Surprised he'd give up the analyst gig.)

I hope he gets the gig so we can see his press conferences bitching about having to score 40+ points each week to win.

And all the compliments he will give toward Stanford for being able to win scoring 20. LMAO

ESPN is about to can a bunch of people again so maybe he's just getting out before he gets axed.

That occurred to me, but they keep shitcanning people that can actually perform analysis, so I figured he was safe.

College teams looking for the next Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh, in terms of the NFL to college football coaching success story but more often than not they end up with Lovie Smith, Charlie Weis, Jim Mora, Jr., Chan Gailey, Al Groh, Mike Sherman failures.

Herm hasn't coached in college football in any capacity since the late 1980's (at San Jose State as a defensive backs coach).

Seems like a disaster in waiting IMO.

Arizona State should target Kevin Sumlin.

Never would have imagined ESPN being the sinking ship that it has become. Would think that Herm could find an analyst job elsewhere, but being a college coach seems like a good fit. Got to watch him head a football camp for kids. Very kind and generous person in private. Great with kids and parents. Sad to see all the venom. Guessing most of the ire comes from people who've never met him. Yeah, his last 2 years in KC were awful, but we'll never know how much of that was Herm and how much was due to the turmoil in the FO.

Show me a quote where herm rejected Gaileys pistol offense toward the end of the season. He started the season embracing his typical r2p2 but he seemed extremely supportive of the offense once Gailey started running it. Youre making this shit up that he at all resisted what Gailey was doing.

Buehler up I’m here with some serious beat downs. Well done my friend.

You couldn’t pay me enough to go back through Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards’ press conferences.

But good luck pushing the narrative that Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards was embracing and encouraging to a progressive offense. If you’re going to forget about all the nonsense he spewed here and after he went to ESPN be my guest. But good luck, man. Enjoy the fight. It will be you against the world.

He may be a kind person in real life but he is an arrogant grandstanding fraud every time he’s in front of a camera.

I am asking you to show one ounce of proof. One. Everything after his last season pointed to Gailey keeping his job, and even consideration of Tyler Thigpen keeping his job despite his limitations. And a serious evaluation of the offense that sounded very embracing of continuing some version of the pistol.

You are making this shit up. You're the one who made the comment that he rejected this offense. Prove it. With something that he said, not something someone on cp speculated.

Considering most of those guys are system guys, I think this is pretty different. I would think he's smart enough to know the Tampa 2 is dead but who knows. But more than anything, it's about expectations. Anyone who thought lovie or chan would excel in college is a moron. I certainly think as long as he somewhat modernizes the scheme the team could easily be an above .500 bowl contender. But yeah, of course if the expectation is to be a consistent top 10 or 20 team, that's totally unrealistic.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/9...at-quarterback
Since you won't find the simple ask of one shred of proof, I found it for you. Sounds like he wanted to keep a variation of the spread but wasn't convinced Thigpen was the best qb to do it but sounds like he was considering a plan B to run spread concepts with a different qb.

Jesus.

He's been bombastic at times, true. "Grandstanding"... yeah, I see that. We all know the "You play to win the game" moment. But I've always seen those bombastic moments as his "schtick", not arrogance. More entertainment value, which what football ultimately is for the fans. I don't really know him, so maybe I'm wrong. But off-camera, he was a gem when I was around him.

Buehler and reerun and several others are in the Herm is 100% wrong and he did literally 0% right in his entire HC career school. We have those same types of people for Alex Smith as well. It's sad that this type of overreaction gets ignored, but rational people like you step in and say "he wasn't a good coach but holy shit, he did at least 1% good." You will literally get steamrolled with that mentality.

Totally with you. Flawed coach. Not a good coach, not nearly the dumpster fire everyone said he was. Did a lot of bad things here but also did some good. And he will probably have about the same middling performance at ASU too.

this. I wanted Texas to get him as their head coach. Thats gotta be like 80% of college football. Be the best recruiter.

He wins a lot of first halves.

I can't imagine too many recruits wanting to play for Herm. At least not the good ones.

If anybody complains about what our offense looked like, they should take a look at Urban Meyer's offense. It's the same read option he's been running for years and he'll run it regardless of QB or talent. Meyer keeps winning because he can recruit like a mother****er.

Herm Edwards will interview for Arizona State HC job
 

Herm is 100% trash and drove two franchise to the depths of hell. He’s not a talent scout, he’s not a defensive mind, or coaching material. He’s a blow hard ass clown that basically has zero credibility with anything related to football.

Thanks. Hopefully for him, the time away will give him some perspective he didn't have before and shows up in the win/loss column. Imagine the thread if Gunther gets a HC job. :)

Would be cool to see him get the job so we can laugh. Like Greg Robinson at Syracuse.

I told you I’m not reading that hogshit. I can’t stand that man. I’m not going to look up examples for you where you will just make up some damned other excuse for your hero. Just like you did with your dumbass 3 years in the league with Vermiels roster. **** that shit. If you’re too goddamned simple minded to remember him taking about ball control before games I don’t know what to tell you man.

Herm was and remains a fraud. Just because you can’t see how your hero was completely clueless regarding the offense I won’t help you. I already tried with your ridiculous just what the franchise needed ridiculousness.

you play to win the game

Herm Edwards belongs in College, he'll be good at it. His players only stay for 3 or 4 years so he enthusiasm won't get old. The kid's parents will love his demeanor and attitude. His focus on the basics will be enough in college where it wasn't in the Pros.

Nah. It’s not that. The you play to win the game crap is just funny.

What REALLY pisses me off is he constantly says shit about how WE did it in Tampa. Like as a DB coach he had any input on how it was done. Never mind he never mentions how HE did it in KC or NYJ. Because when HE did it it was total and abject failure. Fraud.

And he goes on and on scolding fans about the “circus offense”. That didn’t at least tweak you a little? He stands up there like a self righteous assface when he is totally clueless about WHY that stuff worked or was done. Treating the fans like they’re idiots doesn’t irritate you? It does me.

And it’s not just the offense. It’s stating EVERY ****ING DAY that we are going to build a tough defense all the while rolling out the softest unit I’ve ever seen ever.

Pretending to be competent and constantly talking down to fans while rolling out the worst season in franchise history makes me crazy. At least when Crennel was doing it he wasn’t talking down to anybody.

And he is constantly grandstanding about how to handle a locker room or player behavior or coach behavior. Like he knows what you need to do to hold a winning locker room.

It’s probably just because I’m too close to him wrecking my franchise but I can’t handle it. Every time he says something reeruned it makes me crazy. And that’s most of the time.

Yup if I'm a 5* CB I'm taking a look at ASU

Did I say he was 100% wrong? I said he was a shit coach and a shit personnel man. He was bad at every single aspect of his job but he’s not 100% wrong.

In point of fact he was on the radio a few weeks back talking about when he suspended LJ for smacking that chick. I listened to it, remembered what happened and I’m totally on board with what he did.

Cutting some high priced used up guys was the right call. A few draft picks were the right call (even if he was too ****ing stupid to use Charles when anybody with a brain could see he was better than LJ). And if he really was the driving force to make King Carl give up the Marty approach that was right too.

He was shit at every aspect of his job but I’m not blind to what he did right.

And I’m not like the Alex Smith haters. I was probably one of the last ones that defended him outside of the but huggers. I didn’t want to bench him before we drafted Mahomes because there wasn’t a better option. I am opinionated but I’m not a blind rage monster like you allege.

You are just incomprehensibly white knighting the worst coach I’ve seen.

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I’m not. Tampon 2 doesn’t work in the league. I’m not going to that system.

I need to send a sympathy card.

Marty, I am sincerely sorry.

ESPN is collapsing so Herm had to get out. He would have been laid off in 2018 at the rate the ESPN fail train was going

And laughing.

Those poor bastards. How many years until he wrecks this university’s football program.

He’s not a talent scout or guru.

If you hate Herm, that's your opinion. I don't care what you think about how he built his roster. We've debated that plenty.

The claim that he rejected Gailey's offense is an accusation on a totally unproven "fact." It's a totally baseless accusation. Own up to it. Unless you can find a single shred of evidence that Herm wanted to completely scrap the spread or that he openly rejected what Gailey was doing.

You made the accusation, not me. Back it up.

Sorry, I find it just a little ridiculous that in the world of Bill Callahans, Bob McAdoos, and Romeo Crennels, that people act like Herm was the worst coach to ever live. Compared to those coaches, he's a hall of famer.

I'm glad to see what you said above. I agree with most of it. That is the first I've heard of you even hinting at a compliment so I wasn't aware that's where you stood. And no, I'm not white knighting Herm. Calling him "not good" is not a defense of him as a coach. It's a defense against people who have such an irrational hatred for the guy.

I've already told you, you couldn't pay me enough to go through his press conferences. Especially after I went through every roster spot on Vermiels and Herms rosters to prove to you how much of a shit personnel guy he was and you completely dismissed it. Even though you weren't even close to right. No.

That's not even a significant part of my argument. You said this:

The main part of my response was that you didn't listen to a word he said at the time or since. He still doesn't understand why you throw the ball and it is painfully obvious to this day. But if you want to stand on the table and beat your fist that he was all about a gimmick offense with a truly limited QB that doesn't really help your cause about him being a complete and ****ing moron regarding Offense.

Crennel could at least call a defense. Are you talking about Ben McAdoo? He could call an offense. Callahan is pretty garbage but I don't see him being materially worse than Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards.

I've never said anything about the good things he did because the first thing you said to me about it was blasting me for (correctly) asserting that he wrecked the franchise (because he did).

You very much white knighted him when you said he is "exactly what the franchise needed" While was going about wrecking the franchise.

Okay Buehler_445. He’s just trolling you now.

Nah. He really and truly believes Herm was good for the franchise. Nobody trolls that hard.

Carl and Vermeil wrecked the franchise. Herm was brought in to pick up the pieces.

Their football program is pretty shitty anyway.

Not sure anyone would notice.

It wasn't great Vermiels last year, but it was competitive. It was a goddamned mother****ing joke Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards' last year.

That's wrecking the franchise.

He got the job because the ASU AD was once his agent LMAO

ASU has never been great at recruiting. Not sure why? Maybe it's that Phoenix doesn't have a smaller town type college feel to it? Tempe is a happening place for young people though. Women dress with minimal clothing all year, not to mention the pool parties. It would be a great place to go to college IMO.

Fair enough.

Holy ****ing hell ROFL

What could go wrong?

No shit? Holy shit that’s awesomeness.

Yep. Seems he's setting up sweet gigs for all of his friends.

I don't know how anyone could possibly view you as credible when you not only qualify mcadoo and Romeo. You even suggest that they were better. Just wow.

Those two will go down as the worst head coaches of all time. And they will have earned it. I could give a shit about scheme. Lots of brilliant playcallers failed at head coach. Lots of average playcallers or those with no experience became great head coaches.

In the long history of terrible head coaches, herm is not even close to the conversation. Anyone who believes otherwise is exactly the type of exaggerator I'm "white knighting" against.

And my comment about being what the franchise needed was that we needed leaders who were willing to wrecking ball the franchise. Not because I thought he was a good coach. That is a totally separate conversation about discussing qualifications of a head coach. He was needed for that situation. No, I would not support any team that put him in to coach an established franchise.

Herm is and was a complete fraud head coach.

Hes' a shitty version of Marty or Tony Dungy.

His clock management makes Andy Reid look like Bill Walsh.

Didn’t Herm lose two timeouts in the same challenge against Oakland one time?