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Rain Man 01-14-2018 11:38 AM

Chiefs Offseason Planet Evaluation: Albert Wilson
 
This will be one of the more interesting evaluations. Tell me what you think about Albert Wilson.

Poll coming faster than a Chiefs exit from the playoffs.

Albert appeared in 13 games and started 7.
He recorded 42 receptions for 554 yards (13.2 ypc) and 3 TD. 0 fumbles.

He added 3 rushes for 6 yards as well.

Easy 6 01-14-2018 11:43 AM

Going with a solid B here, 500+ yards for a guy like him is excellent and he can do a little bit of everything

Coogs 01-14-2018 11:44 AM

Personally, I think the 10 catches on 10 targets for 147 yards in week 17 say more about what Wilson's value to the team is going forward vs all of his other stats for the year combined do.

chiefzilla1501 01-14-2018 11:46 AM

I grew to really like him this year and I think the Mahomes start gave good flashes of what he can do in an offense that allows him to play in space. Alligator arms, somewhat unreliable hands, inconsistent focus. But he's pretty solid running after the catch and I thought he showed a lot more ability as a pure receiver this year. Made a few really nifty grabs in big time situations. Actually, I think he was pretty reliable in the 4th quarter this year. I don't think he'll be expensive to re-sign. Seems like a solid slot option to me especially at the price he'll command.

stumppy 01-14-2018 11:48 AM

Gotta go with a solid B.
It sure seemed like he played a lot more than he did.

ThaVirus 01-14-2018 11:48 AM

He shines when given the opportunity. Dude’ made some clutch plays over the past couple seasons and his apparent rapport with Mahomes is encouraging.

Not worth anything over $4-5m AAV though, IMO.

Rain Man 01-14-2018 11:51 AM

He may be the first player in Chiefsplanet history to swing from a negative evaluation to a positive one.

I'm not sure that I'd want to see a bigger role for him next year, but I'd be fine keeping him in the role he's got, and I wouldn't trade him for peanuts. I think he's close to his ceiling, but perhaps has a little more room to grow.

Sandy Vagina 01-14-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13360082)
Going with a solid B here, 500+ yards for a guy like him is excellent and he can do a little bit of everything

Gave him a B for most of the year, but he loses two full grades due to that playoff drop. He finally played hard and well during his "contract year"... but showed what he is, in the end... a backup receiving option.

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Easy 6 01-14-2018 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina (Post 13360110)
Gave him a B for most of the year, but he loses two full grades due to that playoff drop. He finally played hard and well during his "contract year"... but showed what he is, in the end... a backup receiving option.

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Meh, he isnt a superstar receiver, he'll have some drops here and there but his overall production was perfectly acceptable

NJChiefsFan 01-14-2018 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina (Post 13360110)
Gave him a B for most of the year, but he loses two full grades due to that playoff drop. He finally played hard and well during his "contract year"... but showed what he is, in the end... a backup receiving option.

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That's a pretty extreme punishment for a ball that was a difficult catch for someone his size.

Wilson with Robinson/Conley is more than fine for me. Yes in a perfect world we would have a veteran #2 but with the positions we need to fix I don't think we can spend any real capital on a WR.

bigjosh 01-14-2018 12:06 PM

Jeez guys, I thought I was being generous with a C+.

He played well enough that if he signs with another team in the offseason we may say something like "well, that sucks" but he is not a guy worth bidding against another team for.

Respect for the YAC, running abilities, scrappyness.

Disrespect for his situational awareness.

Solid C+.

When do we get to Justin Houston so i can give somebody a F-?

Hammock Parties 01-14-2018 12:06 PM

Elevated his status from a C player to a B.

Probably can't afford him going forward but I think he'd be worth it.

NJChiefsFan 01-14-2018 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13360134)
Jeez guys, I thought I was being generous with a C+.

He played well enough that if he signs with another team in the offseason we may say something like "well, that sucks" but he is not a guy worth bidding against another team for.

Respect for the YAC, running abilities, scrappyness.

Disrespect for his situational awareness.

Solid C+.

When do we get to Justin Houston so i can give somebody a F-?

Are you grading him a C+ as a 3/4 WR or just as a WR?

TLO 01-14-2018 12:11 PM

B-

Good blocker and can flash in the passing game. Will also drop an easy pass at an opportune time.

bigjosh 01-14-2018 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13360145)
Are you grading him a C+ as a 3/4 WR or just as a WR?

as a number 3 or 4. If i was just generalizing all wide receivers he would be a D- or so.

saphojunkie 01-14-2018 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 13360085)
Personally, I think the 10 catches on 10 targets for 147 yards in week 17 say more about what Mahomes' value to the team is going forward vs all of his other stats for the year combined do.

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DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 12:27 PM

I gave him a B- or 80%.

Instead of dropping every important pass in 2017 (as he did the previous three years), he only dropped a few of them. Once Conley was out for the season, Wilson stepped up, until he was injured, which in part led to their 1-6 tear.

With a healthy Kelce, Conley, Hill and Hunt, Wilson's still most likely the 4th target at best, so I'd give him a 3 year, $10 million dollar deal with $3.5 million guaranteed, which is basically a 1 year, $3.5 million dollar deal.

There's no way I'd approach $5 million or more on a contract for Wilson, as he's shown to be fragile in the past.

Plus, 2017 was a contract year for him so it all could be an illusion.

TLO 01-14-2018 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13360225)
I gave him a B- or 80%.

Instead of dropping every important pass in 2017 (as he did the previous three years), he only dropped a few of them. Once Conley was out for the season, Wilson stepped up, until he was injured, which in part led to their 1-6 tear.

With a healthy Kelce, Conley, Hill and Hunt, Wilson's still most likely the 4th target at best, so I'd give him a 3 year, $10 million dollar deal with $3.5 million guaranteed, which is basically a 1 year, $3.5 million dollar deal.

There's no way I'd approach $5 million or more on a contract for Wilson, as he's shown to be fragile in the past.

Plus, 2017 was a contract year for him so it all could be an illusion.

This is a solid assessment

KChiefs1 01-14-2018 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13360225)
I gave him a B- or 80%.

Instead of dropping every important pass in 2017 (as he did the previous three years), he only dropped a few of them. Once Conley was out for the season, Wilson stepped up, until he was injured, which in part led to their 1-6 tear.

With a healthy Kelce, Conley, Hill and Hunt, Wilson's still most likely the 4th target at best, so I'd give him a 3 year, $10 million dollar deal with $3.5 million guaranteed, which is basically a 1 year, $3.5 million dollar deal.

There's no way I'd approach $5 million or more on a contract for Wilson, as he's shown to be fragile in the past.

Plus, 2017 was a contract year for him so it all could be an illusion.



Agreed

carcosa 01-14-2018 02:26 PM

He's a good 3/4 guy. Would love to either pick up a strong WR2 to complement Hill... but with Mahomes maybe that will be Robinson. But regardless, Wilson is an ideal WR depth guy when he's healthy. Good for a few drive extending plays per game & takes pressure off the stars.

DRM08 01-14-2018 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 13360085)
Personally, I think the 10 catches on 10 targets for 147 yards in week 17 say more about what Wilson's value to the team is going forward vs all of his other stats for the year combined do.

They need to keep him around. He has legit chemistry with Mahomes, which could be very important in 2018 for the young QB.

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13360917)
He's a good 3/4 guy. Would love to either pick up a strong WR2 to complement Hill... but with Mahomes maybe that will be Robinson. But regardless, Wilson is an ideal WR depth guy when he's healthy. Good for a few drive extending plays per game & takes pressure off the stars.

Conley smokes Robinson

carcosa 01-14-2018 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 13360923)
They need to keep him around. He has legit chemistry with Mahomes, which could be very important in 2018 for the young QB.

Under Mahomes, Hill/Conley/Robinson/Wilson could become one of the best WR units in the NFL

carcosa 01-14-2018 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13360946)
Conley smokes Robinson

I like Conley but Robinson seems more talented..,

hitchief 01-14-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13360138)
Elevated his status from a C player to a B.

Probably can't afford him going forward but I think he'd be worth it.

Cant afford to keep him is correct but then again he's an Andy butt kisser so theres that.

He will always drop/short arm the ball if there is any doubt of imminent contact is concerned. He will always protect himself over making a play no matter the situation, just like on the last play of the playoff game.

He will disappoint you in the coming year/s now that its Pat's team and not all Alex's fault. Be very aware!

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 13360956)
I like Conley but Robinson seems more talented..,

He’s less dependable, rounds off his routes and has issues catching the ball.

He’s also smaller than Conley.

Direckshun 01-14-2018 02:39 PM

You can’t let a guy walk who has insane chemistry with your QBotF.

We’ve got a defense to build. Let’s bring Wilson back and focus 100% on the D.

NJChiefsFan 01-14-2018 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13361021)
You can’t let a guy walk who has insane chemistry with your QBotF.

We’ve got a defense to build. Let’s bring Wilson back and focus 100% on the D.

What if a team offers him $5-6 million a year?

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13361029)
What if a team offers him $5-6 million a year?

That’s not gonna happen.

Wilson isn’t a 800-1,000 yard receiver waiting to happen.

He’s a smallish 4th or 5th option on a good team and a 3rd or 4th option on a bad team.

He isn’t suddenly going to become Emmanuel Sanders or Muhammad Sanu.

NJChiefsFan 01-14-2018 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13361069)
That’s not gonna happen.

Wilson isn’t a 800-1,000 yard receiver waiting to happen.

He’s a smallish 4th or 5th option on a good team and a 3rd or 4th option on a bad team.

He isn’t suddenly going to become Emmanuel Sanders or Muhammad Sanu.

My point was some of what decides whether he comes back is what he gets offered.

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13361097)
My point was some of what decides whether he comes back is what he gets offered.

If some team is dumb enough to invest a huge contract into a fragile, 5’9 WR that’s had alligator arms for the majority if his career, so be it.

Marcus Kemp has a much higher upside, IMO.

Let him walk.

NJChiefsFan 01-14-2018 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13361168)
If some team is dumb enough to invest a huge contract into a fragile, 5’9 WR that’s had alligator arms for the majority if his career, so be it.

Marcus Kemp has a much higher upside, IMO.

Let him walk.

That was what I was saying. I would like to have Wilson back but there is a price. As for Robinson vs. Conley I really like Conley. I think he has the higher floor, Robinson the lower floor but perhaps the higher ceiling since I think he is more athletic. A little more fluid.

DRM08 01-14-2018 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitchief (Post 13360968)
Cant afford to keep him is correct but then again he's an Andy butt kisser so theres that.

He will always drop/short arm the ball if there is any doubt of imminent contact is concerned. He will always protect himself over making a play no matter the situation, just like on the last play of the playoff game.

He will disappoint you in the coming year/s now that its Pat's team and not all Alex's fault. Be very aware!

He made a ton of plays for Mahomes in Denver. It would be foolish to get rid of him given the chemistry they have.

oldman 01-14-2018 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13360225)

With a healthy Kelce, Conley, Hill and Hunt, Wilson's still most likely the 4th target at best, so I'd give him a 3 year, $10 million dollar deal with $3.5 million guaranteed, which is basically a 1 year, $3.5 million dollar deal.

There's no way I'd approach $5 million or more on a contract for Wilson, as he's shown to be fragile in the past.

Plus, 2017 was a contract year for him so it all could be an illusion.

I'd agree with you on this. He's just too inconsistent to increase his role or move him up the depth chart. With Kemp and maybe another (DRob or Dieter) in the wings, you'd have almost zero dead money tied up should he revert to what we've seen prior to this year.

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 13361530)
He made a ton of plays for Mahomes in Denver. It would be foolish to get rid of him given the chemistry they have.

1<53 other games

Direckshun 01-14-2018 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13361029)
What if a team offers him $5-6 million a year?

You pay him.

jjchieffan 01-14-2018 06:41 PM

The Wilson situation reminds me of a guy that we drafted in the late rounds in 96. He was a backup guy that wasn't thought that highly of. But he, like Wilson showed steady improvement and his 4th year he took a step forward and showed promise. The Chiefs let him walk to the Saints, where he finally blossomed and became a star. I was sick when he left, but even more sick when I saw what he became. Does Wilson have the chance to be another Joe Horn? Probably not. But it would be so Chiefs for him to walk and him to bust out.

Red Dawg 01-14-2018 06:42 PM

Get him outta here. Dont want back.

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13362132)
You pay him.

LMAO

No

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13362189)
But it would be so Chiefs for him to walk and him to bust out.

5th year 5'9 players who've routinely had alligator arms and missed several games due to fragility don't "bust out".

Good ****ing god, people.

jjchieffan 01-14-2018 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13362258)
5th year 5'9 players who've routinely had alligator arms and missed several games due to fragility don't "bust out".

Good ****ing god, people.

Lol. It is just like you to take one part of my statement to twist it. Never mind that I said probably not before I said that.

NJChiefsFan 01-14-2018 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13362132)
You pay him.

With our cap situation? And if it means missing out on defense?

You think if Kelce, Hunt, and Hill are playing Wilson gets the stats he did with Mahomes? There may be a connection but some of you are forgetting that Wilson was getting a ton of looks just by default in that game. He was the #1 WR.

oldman 01-14-2018 07:27 PM

If some team offers him $5M, they have more cash than we do. We thank you for your service, Albert.

COchief 01-14-2018 07:46 PM

Meh, best bet is some other team overpays him and we get a comp pick. He surprised me this year and definitely has improved but I think he has hit his ceiling and will only hold up development of the more dangerous and higher potential guys like Drob/Chesson/Kemp.

I'll also openly admit I'm biased due to his fraidy cat behavior in years past and t-rex impressions in big game situations but it has been a couple years. I still wouldn't trust him, imagine Mahomie driving for the SB win next year and Wilson alligators a 3rd down pass. I'll pass unless he signs something where he is easily cuttable at anytime without a huge hit.

DaneMcCloud 01-14-2018 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13362471)
Lol. It is just like you to take one part of my statement to twist it. Never mind that I said probably not before I said that.

Your post was all about talking in circles.

All you needed to say was:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13362471)
If he leaves, I hope he doesn't become Joe Horn redux


Rain Man 01-15-2018 06:25 PM

Albert was a big positive surprise for us this year, and we'd like to see more of him going forward. Quite the turnaround for him.

3.07 Grade (4.0 point scale)
1.21 Performance Relative to Expectations (+ = Positive Surprise, - = Negative Surprise)
1.35 Desired Future Role (+ is larger role, - is smaller role)
0.66 Ascending/Descending (+ is ascending, - is descending)
3.74 Trade Value (Round)


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