Sources: College hoops corruption case poised to take down top College BB Teams
 

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college-hoops-corruption-case-poised-take-hall-fame-coaches-top-programs-lottery-picks-224417174.html

Sources: College hoops corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs, lottery picks

These teams that win every year aren't playing fair?Shocking!!!

I guarantee you Kim Anderson is clean.

LMAO

I feel like it's been known for a long time. Didn't Shaq tweet or something that statute of limitations was up and LSU paid well. lol

I'm sort of surprised Football hasn't been nailed first. There has to be so much more money flowing from bagmen into players hands in that sport.

Duh. All the big 5 stars are purchased.

Purdue and Wiscy are innocent. Evidence....this game tonight.

If this exposes the underbelly of college sports the way they seem to be implying it will, it's going to make LaVar Ball look like child's play.

or he cheats badly.

What a waste of tax payers dollars!!!! Rant ahead, fair warning....

1) Feds should not have the right to "wire tap, raid and confiscate" these ball players and their coaches. This is a game. My aunt Jenny was a know cheat at the family card table, will they be tapping her phone next!?

2) The corruption in the NCAA is the product of a system that is corrupt at it's very core on a massive scale. If you're not paying these kids for the entertainment they provide, then you are cheating them on such a huge scale that any and all allegations against them and their coaches is none-sense in comparison. Stop picking the berries and chop the tree down already.

3) Where the **** were these Feds when this kid in Florida that shot up the HS was posting pictures of himself with guns, and making comments on open social media platforms about becoming a school shooter etc... They said they attempted to but could not locate the source of his posts. HE USED HIS OWN ****ING NAME ONLINE. Basketball scandal??? WHO GIVES A ****!!!!

...been discussing NCAA basketball with my pops and friends recently after KU's Billy Preston got in trouble for having a car and went to Euro league. Why on earth are these lottery picks even signing with college teams!? Take your talents to the pros in China and Euro League, make some money and join the NBA after a year...not like youre getting a lot out of one year of college. If they fail completely the first semester, theyre only on academic probation second semester, so no actual penalty to basketball life. I've been of the opinion that if they pulled together they would win a huge lawsuit against NBA for not allowing 18yr old ballers, as well as NCAA for cheating them of income associated with their craft.

I don't quite understand the issue. Is this about college players getting paid?

On that note, they really should pay the players. They're school employees just like the professors are.

Yes basically.

They really should release the information soon so it doesn't screw up anybody's brackets.

Good. Basketball sucks. If they would actually call the game the way it was created, it might be watchable. Instead, the stars take six or seven steps, carry the ball making their moves. The game is a joke. The game has been dead to me since the Kings left.

Don't get me started on Kansas Jayhawk fans. The absolute worst fans. EVER!

How would that work? Do they all get the same pay or would better players get paid more? How would that work with title 9? Would women's basketball players get paid the same amount as the men? Do football players get paid the same amount as volleyball players? Do soccer players get paid? Serious questions. I'm wondering what people's thoughts are.

Here we go. Oh boy.

Paying the players is a stupid idea. They get a scholarship that is worth tens of thousands of dollars per year and the opportunity to get a free education. If that isn’t enough compensation and the player isn’t interested in an education, they are free to go overseas and play basketball until they are eligible for the NBA draft.

If they do start paying the players like they are employees of the university, that’s fine as long as they treat them like employees in every way. The players earn a salary and then they pay taxes on that earned income. They pay for their room and board, their meals, and their insurance premiums. Their tuition and books are still free, but they pay taxes on the value like a regular salaried employee would a bonus.

Wait..is this article trying to tell me that when big money gets involved...people exploit it?

Glad it's basketball... a good, wholesome sport like football, run by the ****ing mob, would never fall to that level of corruption.

You tin-foil ****os need to shut up...NFL is Jesus' sport....and the military's too...only they kill 100,000's of thousands of innocent people for the bankers. Jesus hated the bankers...I'm so confused.

I think it would have to be weighted in some fashion relative to that sports revenue pull. But it is a complicated situation for sure.

College basketball and football are minor league professional sports played by minor league professional athletes in a billion dollar industry, except the schools and coaches get paid millions while the players get paid thousands.

It's time to call it what it is and get rid of this amateurism and non-profit status bullshit.

I think you could start by letting the players get paid for endorsements while in college.

I'm skeptical that anything will happen with this. NCAA basketball is a huge revenue machine. Without the five majors there is no March Madness and that's huge money. Money always wins.

You're a crazy mofo

Take your meds

you seem nice

Is Bill Self a Jesuit?

Bill Self going to win the national title this year once all the cheaters are required to vacate their tournament appearances this year :thumb:

Probably the most corrupt sport there is outside of cycling and boxing.

Check out this dumbshit

Anderson showers on the hour, every hour.

What if KU is involved?

No doubt

You realize they are involved, right? You can't have your head in the sand that much...

Explain to us how they are I can't wait to hear your insider info.


Almost as dumb as that guy complaining about carrying the ball. I thought all those people died already.

I can just see all the Missouri fans refreshing this thread incessantly waiting to hear how KU is involved in all of this.

Just like all the Kansas fans dreading every refresh.

Couldn’t find any KU info. in many articles. Link?

I think you shouldn't hold your breath since there isn't any kind of timetable on these findings and they may never release them at all.

It was pretty clear in the article. Did you not read it?

Link.

lotsa blasphemy in this thread :mad:

Heard Astley was recruited to Head up the male student body in dick sucking lessons.
It’s what I heard.

Of course they don't get paid the same. As part of the recruitment process, each coach can offer a recruit a salary based on what the market is.

I guess a school could offer a women's basketball player the same amount, don't see that happening.

And of course, expect the wannabes, small time programs to push for a socialist, salary cap with revenue sharing.

Players are on 2 year contracts and they don't have to sit out a year to switch school. Unless you get hit with the restricted free agent tag.

Might as well just end the entire thing if that happens. There is no way it ends well once it goes down that road. Just end college athletics altogether and have full-fledged minor league farm systems for each pro league.

Nah. KU doesn't need to pay players. Mississippi State needs to pay players. Alabama needs to pay players. But it is always possible the shoe company paid players, without KU's direct knowledge. I can't really fault the school if that happens. That is between the player and the shoe company. Shoe company's fault.

I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

Here's a solution - you are allowed to pay walk-ons, but you can only have three.

That's a nice fantasy. Thamel's sources tell him this involves elite programs paying to get players and stay at the top.

If Duke and UNC and Kentucky are paying to get players, so is ku.

All these guys get paid. I actually don't have a problem with it. Just don't pretend ku is above the fray.

You don't get ***** or Top 100 players unless you're kicking something to the families.

Racist.

:clap: Exactly

What am I dreading?

They probably cheat like other schools, that's not news.

Am I supposed to dread "vacated" wins? I watched them, and I can assure you they'll still exist. :shrug:

It's like the steroid era. Everyone does it. They just pick and choose who gets busted. It's bullshit.

This is such ****ing bullshit. The vast majority of players are fairly compensated. What percentage of NCAA college athletes are ever going to make it in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL? Full ride scholarship athletes are given a scholarship that covers tuition, room and board, and some meals. That scholarship is worth tens of thousands of dollars a year. If they take advantage of this scholarship and get a degree in something different useful, it can provide for them and their familiy for the rest of their lives.

Plus they get fired after 4 years.

Only two of the sports you mentioned give full scholarships (football and basketball).

And yes, those players do receive a tremendous range of benefits. They also generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue for their athletic departments and the NCAA while going to school and working a full-time job (and a manual labor type job, at that. How many people could work a full-time construction or roofing job and carry a full class load and thrive?)

The system makes it illegal for them to have part time jobs (which is necessary, otherwise you'd have the Roger Morningstars and Bill Lauries of the world setting guys up with "jobs" that pay six figures for "summer work."). Many of the players comes from abject poverty... this leaves them without cash in their pocket to buy a pizza or take someone on a date to a movie or buy a pair of shoes. That's why under-the-table cash is so prevalent and sought out.

The additional stipends schools pay out now definitely are a step in the right direction... they reduce the dependency on booster cash. If those went a tad bit further, even better.

It's also worth noting that many of the players are pushed through degree mill programs so their eligibility will be maintained, education and future prospects be damned.

They do receive tremendous benefits. But there are also still some cracks to examine.

College football and basketball players at power 5 programs subsidize a lot of people (the entire NCAA office, coaches making millions, every athletic program that isn't football or men's basketball, every program outside a major conference, etc.) They deserve a little bit more of the pie they're baking.

:clap:

What's a full ride, all expenses paid, at a power basketball school worth?

I wish K-State went back to paying players like we did with Martin/Huggins. If Weber is paying his players right now, he’s getting robbed. Well, maybe he sent Dean Wade’s parents some dairy cattle, but that’s about it....

College hoops is easy. Open up the pocket book and you instantly turn the program around.

Good thing the Shockers are clean

Full-time job my ass. There isn’t a Division 1 athlete in the country who is “working” on their sport 10-12 hours per day like most construction workers and roofers in your dumb ass analogy.

The degree mill argument is dumb ass well. If the athlete isn’t smart enough or willing to work hard enough to advance towards a legitimate degree, they have options besides playing college athletics. Life isn’t fair and it isn’t easy. If you want something bad enough, you’ll put in the work to achieve it.

mu finally gets the wallet out for MP Jr. and he breaks on them. I'm sure the check still cleared. Typical tigger luck.

This is going to clean out the NCAA. KU included.

Good. That organization is coming close to FIFA in terms of being complete and utter scum.

How is it that the NCAA is corrupt when its the shoe companies who are paying the kids? The NCAA is left having to deal with vetting this stuff, which is extremely difficult. This all has to do with the NBA forcing the NCAA to be NBAs free no cost minor league system. All the NBA has to do to be ethical is to pay G league players reasonable wages. The NBA is the most complicit in all of this, by exploiting colleges and the NCAA. The most ridiculous age discrimination tactic is used, and they get away with it. This is not the same as other businesses requiring a degree or certain credentials. The NBA discriminates SOLELY based on age, and nobody cares. And people blame the NCAA and colleges.

I actually have no problems with kids getting paid. But its not the colleges that have to pay anyone. Its a choice you can make to go to college or not. Im all about choices. Nobody is tricking you. If you go, abide by the rules. If not go to a pro league. Simple as that.

If I had to pick a way for this to be done, it would be for the colleges to not pay the players but to allow kids to profit from outside sources on their name and likeness. Allow them to charge for interviews, autographs, shoe deals. Fine. But at no point does a school owe anyone anything.

I don't know, dude. I kind of think folding on delivering punishments for Penn State, Michigan State, Baylor, and Vanderbilt - all colleges that were complicit in covering up horrific and proven sexual violence - I kind of think the NCAA deserves to hang.

If we're talking about the current topic, the NCAA folding on delivering any real punishment to Syracuse and North Carolina for their proven academic abuses was also pretty despicable.

Remember, they gave SMU the death penalty for paying some guys.

It's been obvious that the NCAA has been looking the other way on some pretty despicable crimes for a long time. Let em' burn.

I'm pretty sure that we're going to see a growing trend of the best HS players playing overseas for a year before joining the NBA. NCAA is a lot of fun, fans are great, and college atmosphere is tough to pass up on but the best of the best should get paid after 18 and NCAA will never offer them an equitable deal.

If you bust out, have a career ending injury, or whatever...at least you made enough $ overseas to pay your way through college.

After watching Silver’s PC tonight I wouldn’t expect any kind of change to the 1 and done rule anytime soon.

At the present time, usually the value of the NCAA basketball exposure > making money playing overseas. Because if it didn't, top players would ALWAYS go to Europe. They must value the exposure that NCAA Basketball gives them and it's a great place to improve your game to develop under some great coaches and programs.

First: Let me say, these kids get a tremendous benefit. It's very valuable. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is it's difficult to take FULL advantage of it, especially during the season, because of the demands on your time with your sport. What I'm saying is that when they're generating BILLIONS of dollars and literally making ALL D1 college athletics possible... maybe it's not so bad to throw them bigger stipends so they feel compensated and so there's less incentive for the players to look for illegal benefits.

As for the comparisons... Are you aware of what the daily schedule looks like for a college football player in-season?

Strength and conditioning is 2 hours, typically
Actual practice is technically limited to 20 hours/week, but they don't practice on Saturday or Sunday (that works out to 5 hours a day)
Then there's the study/prep sessions for the next game (Add another hour/day, supposed to be limited to the 20 hour limit but never is)

That puts them at full work days M-F. Plus school. Most athletes take 12 hours in season. That means 12 hours of class over the course of 5 school days.

They get more of a break in the non-season semester, but they still typically have 2-3 hours/day committed to strength and conditioning and offseason work... and then for football, there's spring football, where the schedule is exactly what it is above.

That's why they get pushed into degree programs that are diploma mills, because where, amidst all of that, are they going to find time to take real classes and actually have time to attend them and study for them?

One benefit you didn't mention. Even though they may get a degree but failed to really learn the material, because they are an athletic alumni they will get jobs or promotions in the real world that if they were just John Doe, they would need some sort of merit to receive that job or promotion.

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-f...103338484.html
Exclusive: Federal documents detail sweeping potential NCAA violations involving high-profile players, schools

There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools.


Big names up in there.

Hopefully KU and Tosu

nope KU isnt on there

https://i.imgur.com/KkEUxGt.png

Also:

Josh’s Mom was named Apples? Huh. Learn something new every day.

While we’re at it.

these are such small numbers, it doesnt make any sense to risk anything involved for that little amount

Sucks for the guys that got $200-$300 and now get their names called out with guys that took $10,000-$50,000.

Yes they are

Apparently that was for a loan after he went pro.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFickett/sta...26761589575680