What do you want the Chiefs to do at CB now?
 

Keep in mind the potential price tag of each free agents, obviously. Maybe give some insight to how you'd like to construct the contract.

If you don't want to sign one, note other positions you may want to pursue via FA.

Can select multiple, but keep it realistic.

Butler, Johnson, Melvin, Fuller. Go get 1.

It appears that Gaines will be back to resume the roll. Maybe they are in negotiations with him now.

Draft another guy in the second round, and sign a free agent like Melvin or Kyle Fuller

Trade for Marcus Peters.

Go get Johnson.

We have Fuller, Amerson and Nelson.

We're going to roll with these dudes in 2018.

I'll take 26 year old Kyle Fuller, coming off of a somewhat disappointing season, on a 3 year, $21 million dollar deal.

Johnson's 28 and will want to break the bank.

I'm not really interested in the other guys.

Word is Johnson is headed to the Raiders

Lololololololololol. If that's the plan then we are well and truly ****ed.

Where did you read that?

I've seen fans of other teams, like Chicago, Seattle and the 49ers, want them to sign Johnson but no definitive report.

Plus, tampering.

Fuller, starting caliber free agent, Amerson, and a 2nd round pick sounds like a solid base, keep a couple other guys for depth and there is your 6 man squad

Personally, I think the Chiefs, at this point, need to go Safety in the 2nd round, Dline in the 3rd and maybe a CB in the 3rd, if it lines up.

That could all change once Free Agency begins.

I don't think it is. That seems like a solid CB group to me, if Amerson can get back to where he was a couple seasons ago.

The Chiefs real problems are pass rush and not having a single elite run defender who isn't a walking injury. Front seven is the biggest issue to me.

We need to find some anchors.

I shouldnt have used the phrase 'word is', its pure speculation... ran across the headline this morning, but didnt read it until now... my bad

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/201...e-for-raiders/

I agree.

This is a very good corner class. Use a pick from the Peters trade (and the Foles comp pick if needed) to move up and draft a corner in the early 2nd rd.

There are going to be 1st rd caliber corners that will fall to rd 2 due to the surplus at the position.

I voted Johnson. Only reason for hesitance is his potentially monstrous contract. If it is any more than $12M per, I'm probably out. But I think we'd have an overall better CB group in 2018 with Johnson/Fuller/Nelson/Amerson than we had in 2017, 2016, and maybe even 2015.

Veach needs to commit money to the secondary and/or front seven this March, and address the other via the draft. So if we sign a CB, we need to draft DL and LB high IMO, and vise versa.

LMAO So your plan is to go into 2018 with Fuller as the #1, when he hasn't proven yet that he can do it, Amerson as the #2, when he's been a walking, talking dumpster fire at CB these past couple of seasons, and Nelson, who gets critical holding penalties at the absolute worst times. Did you already forget we had to pull Revis out of the football retirement home because our CB corps were so sorry? Did you forget that we just traded the only decent CB we had because he's an asshole?

I went to school with Trumaine Johnson.

My sources say he wants to play in KC. Needs 10+M though.

Veach did this when he brought in Amerson, and I was the first person to vouch for him. He was 2nd behind Peters in 2015 in passes defended. He also had 16 passes defended in 2016 before he tore a ligament in his foot and played poorly as a result in 2017.

At this point, Steven Nelson is expendable bc Fuller plays his position on 3rd down. Trade him for a pick and use it in the draft to move up for a CB early rd 2.

There are corners and safeties in this class that can play big roles day 1. Spend on the front 7 in FA

:hmmm:

You bullshitting or is this legit?

I get what you're saying, but the Eagles just won the Super Bowl with Jalen Mills and Patrick Robinson as their starting corners for much of the season.

Granted they traded for Ronald Darby but he's no Peters.

I think that's a good enough corner group if your pass rush and run defense is adequate. This team's isn't.

Yeah, there is a O% chance Veach views Amerson as a cant miss, plug n play starter... a proven starter needs to be opposite of Fuller

I'm really curious as to what the plan is for Fuller. I sincerely hope that they roll with him outside in base packages, and move him inside for nickel and dime. Exactly the way that Chris Harris is used in Denver.

I think if we ask him to play outside full time, we aren't handling it properly.

Sign Johnson. Best guy available. Who cares about the $16 mill. You want a good CB? You have to spend and the Chiefs can afford to. Good CBs are a premium and when they FA you have no choice but to spend. That’s how the market is today.

Sign a good FA, draft 2. Bring in a bunch of undrafted kids and find another there.

If I have to trust the chiefs in thier judgement to rid of one of the best corners in the league, I'll trust them to do whatever the **** they want.
Don't think it matters with Bob Sutton running the shitshow.

Speaking of, let's just send Justin Houston over to the CB slot. He is good in coverage.

I voted both Johnson or Fuller (either would be fine) - since Xavier Rhodes isn't available.

Trade for that young CB on his rookie deal on the Rams.

Edit: Oh, jeez...Rain Man beat me to it less than 5 posts into the thread.

Fuller had a very good 2017 season which is why the Bears are in a dilemma cause they didn't pick up his 5th year option after his injury plagued/disappointing 2014-2016 seasons.

Let me expant on this, not to beat this to death - but let's all keep our eye on this one fact.

K. Fuller was the number one slot CB in the league last season. That's pretty special - and now, looking back - thank GOD we got him.

Fuller or Melvin.

Roll with Fuller, Amerson, Fuller/Melvin, Nelson and Mitchell.

Fuller Bros

Kyle Fuller has the makings of a FA disappointment. One year wonder and struggles with durability. Would take a pass.

I'd break the bank for Johnson because without a solid #1, this D is ****ed.

Maybe they could get Talib on the short-term, but he's a headcase too and would defy Veach's plans.

I would probably say

1. Johnson
2. Melvin
3. Package some capital together to move up for a corner
4. If all else fails, rent Talib for a year and go back to the drawing board once you know what you've got in Amerson and Fuller.

His role in staying hurt ?

Fuller has had two good seasons out of 4 (first and last), and he missed all of 2016. He’s played in every other game though, so I think saying he has durability issues is a stretch.

He’s also cheaper and two years younger than Johnson.

His knee has been off/on for years and **** if this team has any luck at all with players battling knee issues.

This team has a QB on the cheap for years. **** them if they decide now is the time to penny pinch. Spend the damn money.

What are you basing this on? He hasn’t missed any games outside of 2016 going back to his freshman year.

Doesn’t seem like an issue to me.

This Chiefs team is winning nothing in 2018, so it would be a detriment to the future to sign a 28 year old guy to a huge contract, only to have him at age 30 or 31 when the team is ready to compete.

I’d look at guys on cheaper deals and put all the money into the front 7

Yea another good point. Same thing that turns me off from Melvin.

Fuller on the other hand is 26 and should be cheap enough to allow us to pay his brother in year or two.

His knee issue started in 2014 and eventually landed on the IR in 2016 over it.

I don't think it will take that long for KC to compete again. If it does than yeah, no point in doing it.

He earned $16.7 million last year so it’ll closer to that number, not $10 million.

For $10 million, he’d have every NFL team racing to sign him.

But yet 2016 is the only season he’s missed any games and he was clearly fine last year.

Sounds like you’re overblowing the issue here IMO.

Perhaps, but **** if this team hasn't had shit luck with knee injuries.

I would also prefer a bigger corner.

I thought about this too but with Berry and Houston at 29 and Kelce at 28, I don’t think we need to throw any years away either. You never know when things are going to click together at once. They can still definitely be a playoff team in 2018 IMO.

I was referring to competing for a Super Bowl, not within the division.

Veach and Clark both said it would take 2-3 years under Veach’s plan to compete for a Super Bowl.

Given that, Veach will likely sign young players in free agency and draft as many Week 1 contributors as possible.

None of this “but he has a great ceiling!” that takes years, if ever, to realize, at least in the early rounds.

Trumaine Johnson has played 16 games once in the last 4 years and is 28. Why aren’t you concerned about his availability Busby?

I am hoping a ray of sunshine hits our ass and something great falls together sooner than that. The next couple months are going to be exciting to say the least.

Honestly, forgot his injury past because **** if you could convince me to watch that team in the Fisher era.

I'd probably lower him on the wish list, looking at it.

E: Jesus, so is Melvin. **** it, just draft one.

A SS and move Berry to FS, or a FS and leave Berry at SS? Or does it matter to you?

They can be a playoff team if the Raiders, Broncos and Chargers (especially the Chargers) continue stepping on their dicks.

The AFC West was the worst division in the NFL last year and if they don’t win the division, the Chiefs are unlikely to get a wildcard because the Steelers, Bills, Patriots, Jaguars and Texans are going nowhere and there’s always a surprise team that makes the playoffs.

The Raiders and Chargers should be much more formidable in 2018.

Berry needs to play the position that puts Sorensen on the bench.

Amerson only signed a one year deal.

Even if he does prove he can turn it around, he may not be worth extending for more money than he's earning now.

More than likely this is a Tyvon Branch situation. Hope he can help us out this season. After that point, let him walk.

I'd honestly rent out Talib for a year. Nobody from the FA class is worth the money and we don't have the draft capital this year to be shuffling for a corner. Draft BPA, fill the many holes on D, and let the cards fall where they may. Odds are Talib plays better than all these guys anyways.

OK people. Let me walk you through some basic steps.

1. Accept that as the Chiefs transition to Mahomes, we are also retooling the team.
2. Accept the fact that we way not be a playoff team next season and Mahomes comes into his own.
3. Realize that 2019 and 2020 are the years where everything needs to be in place, not 2018.
4. I'm kind of on the Kyle Fuller bandwagon, but I'm just not sure that it makes a lot of sense to spend a bunch of FA money on the position this year.

Why? We are not a super bowl contender next season with Mahomes. Why blow that kind of money on a rental?

I’m not concerned with Kelce’s age.

Tony Gonzalez played until he was 37 and Jason Witten just had a Pro Bowl season at age 35.

That said, I’ll be surprised if Houston is with the Chiefs beyond the 2019 season due to his declining performance and salary cap hit.

Malcolm X

All the guys listed are young. They're looking for a long term deal, something like $10m per with plenty of guaranteed money. Why not get a much better corner in Talib, for less guaranteed money, while also ensuring the following years cap space isn't affected.

This is of course assuming Talib is interested. But who knows what that dude wants. Wouldn't be surprised of NE got to him.

Way too early predicted AFC playoff picture

Just to take a wild guess at our playoff chances assuming we lose the division

1. Pats
2. Jags
3. Steelers
4. Chargers
5. Bills
6. Chiefs/Titans/Raiders/Ravens

Why should we assume we will lose the division? Or that the ****ing CHARGERS will win it? What did the Chargers demonstrate last year that makes them so formidable? Their head coach is a goddamn RBs coach, and he certainly demonstrated last year that he's about as adept of a head coach as Vance Joseph is.

Makes you kind of thankful that at least it's only our offensive coordinator who's the dumbass RBs coach.

The Chargers were in a transition year in 2017, moving from San Diego to lower Los Angeles county, which meant that nearly 53 players, the staff and their families had to move 90 miles north, while practicing to the east and playing in a 30,000 seat stadium.

They started 0-4 and finished at 9-7. Had they started 2-2, they would have won the division and bumped the Chiefs from the playoffs.

They have a very talented roster, especially defensively. They’re going to be the favorites this year to win the West.

Coulda, shoulda.

They had a direct shot at winning the West and didn't. I wouldn't be quick to concede 2018.

Because the whole purpose of my post was showing who KC would be competing against for a wildcard spot. This is important to analyze because the strength of the wildcard field varies year to year.

And of course if we assumed KC would win the division the wildcard analysis would be pointless

Concede? No.

Expect? No.

This team has far too many holes and a serious lack of depth in order to expect a division title next year.

Hell, they don’t even have a 2nd or 3rd string QB, let alone, anyone that can stay healthy behind Kareem Hunt, a starting left guard and holes everywhere on defense.

They had holes and depth problems and still won the West in 2017, even with a multi game losing streak.

Sure things went their way, but they have the best coach in the West and more capital to patch up holes. I think the Chiefs are still right in the mix, even with a first year starter.

Don't forget about the Colts if Andrew Luck is healthy.

The Dolphins had shit luck at QB this year. Who knows what they could have done with a healthy Tannehill.

Houston goes as Deshaun Watson goes, but what if Deshaun Watson doesn't go and actually stays healthy?

****... Dorsey loves to spend money like a drunken sailor. He's got all that ****ing cash. He's got all those ****ing draft picks. You saw him play the training camp waivers game in 2013 when we had the #1 pick... he could easily do something just as drastic in Cleveland. There will be a ****ton of roster turnover on that team. He's going to get rid of a lot of useless trash players on that team. The Browns might contend.

You said your "analysis" was too soon. Yeah. It IS too soon. It's ****ing February. Everybody has a ****ing shot at the playoffs in February.

Hahahahaha. Dorsey actually turning the Browns into a contender? The current state of the roster here is a testament to how badly he ****ing sucks. The fact that he kept Mr. 1-31 around is just the icing on how shit he is.

Hot take, but I won't be shocked if the Jags miss the playoffs and I don't expect the Bills to make it back in. Titans could miss it also, as I don't see Vrabel being ready for that job.

Anyone but malcolm butler.

I'm not buying the Browns at all. Just saying that every year there's a shakeup in the AFC. Some expected contender goes out, an unexpected team takes its place.

The Bills had a goddamn firesale last offseason all the way up until the trade deadline in the regular season. They TRIED to tank. And they ****ing made the playoffs.

It's dumb to talk about the challenges we'll face in February and then just cite all the playoff teams from last year plus all the teams that were close. It doesn't analyze anything. It just says, "Here's who made or almost made the playoffs last year."

Tannehill ain't taking the Dolphins to the playoffs
And I think Indy is a few years away. KC ought to be better than the Colts

Andy Reid thoroughly outcoached Anthony Lynn twice last year. The disparity between Lynn/Joseph and Andy Reid is enormous.

We’ll have to see what happens in the next 2 months but right now I’m taking the Chiefs based on coaching...and especially if Mahomes is who everyone says he is.

Self-fulfilling prophecy, it would seem.

Start Gaines against the #1 WR each week. Sure he can’t cover, tackle or catch, but he seems like a nice guy.

Well we have a gaping hole at CB now.

3-13

We're winning the division this year.

Put Andy Reid's fat ****ing ass out there at corner since he couldn't make Marcus Peters work.