An interesting Mock by Chad Reuter
 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...baker-mayfield

54. Chiefs: Sam Hubbard, EDGE, Ohio State
78. Chiefs: Nathan Shepherd, DT, Fort Hays State
86. Chiefs: DeShon Elliott, S, Texas
122. Chiefs: Wyatt Teller, OG, Virginia Tech
124. Chiefs: Marcell Ateman, WR, Oklahoma State

Hubbard at 54 would be a score for Veach.

No corners at all? I like the individual picks but gotta get at least one corner surely?

Big time, as an avid OSU fan, I have watched him for a long time. Hubbard is incredibly smart, very physically talented, and would be a phenomenal score at that pick. One pick I would like later if we cant get something like that, watch Jalyn Holmes for the Buckeyes, the guy is a freak, capable of playing an D-line spot, and has a motor that doesn't stop. He will be tremendous value, because he will go later because his numbers aren't high (playing with Bosa, Lewis and Hubbard will have that affect).

Don't know those players but my philosophy would not involve drafting a WR with our last pick. I'd get another fatty for the OL.

With the weapons we have on Offense I'd love to see the OL become our best group over the next 3 years.

This draft also has Maurice Hurst available at 54 and the Chiefs passing on him. That would be insane.

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There's always a small school corner with great measurable that fall deep in the draft due to the lack of competition. This year I'd rather go there than a receiver. I think we are definitely set at WR for '18 as of right now.

I just realized today that Damien Mama was signed off the Chiefs Practice Squad in December 2017 and re-signed with them in 2018.

If he ever reaches his potential, it’ll be like losing David Irving a few years ago.

What about the defense?

Two things are happening here:

1) You are undervaluing the existing line under the command of a QB who is literally incapable of quitting on a play or shitting his pants.

2) You are overvaluing a defensive unit that has far more instability and question marks than most people would like to admit. Plus, they just don't have any "gel" as a unit. The absence of Berry and his on-field leadership really hurt the defense in 2017. Every good defensive unit has a player or two players that all of the other guys rally around and perk their ears up when that guy speaks.
And though I'm sure Berry did everything he could from the sideline, it's just not the same thing as being on the field and in the battle with the other players.
And, should Berry fall, his health become suspect, and he no longer be able or allowed to play football, who will step in to that role? I see NO ONE at this present time who can step in to those shoes.

And do not forget:

Our defense is run by a major, paid, and professional spokesman for the Ultimate Bucket brand drool-catching apparatus. He is truly terrible and matched only by Reid's "prowess" as an Offensive Coordinator on game day.

The defense needs torn down, built-up, and overhauled completely.

If those top 2 picks are there at those points, I'd shit my pants. Both a round low IMO.

I disagree.

Hubbard will be scrutinized because of the talent around him at OSU. He is a solid player, but not exactly quick twitch. I think he makes a better 4-3 End as I question his ability to play in space as a 3-4 OLB. Early to mid 2nd round seems appropriate.

Shepherd has a chance to get into the 2nd after a great Sr. Bowl and Combine. He tests extremely well, but his level of competition will be questioned and he was not exactly dominant statistically. I think he is a 3rd round talent for these reasons.

I also question Hubbard's ability to translate to OLB, but he's a very good run defender and that, with his athleticism, and his flashes of being able to get to the QB are enough to get him drafted relatively high. I don't think Hubbard makes it past 40. 54 is a huge stretch.

As for Shepherd, he really showed up during the Senior Bowl week and that's sometimes proof enough that a guy can handle the jump in competition. He might be there at 78, but I think he's going to go closer to our pick at 54 than our pick at 78.

I'll go against the belief here, but I'm not a big Sam Hubbard fan.

I think he's an off ball linebacker in a 43. He looks like an athlete trying to play football.

I also just don't think using the highest pick on a linebacker makes sense. Yes there isn't much depth at inside or outside, but surely you don't use your highest pick on a depth guy unless you properly love a guy.

With injuries and such, just tough to think that way. If you have the guy rated high, take him.

I just don't know that i'd rate him that high.

I think there's still more depth at LB than at CB or S though? If an inside or an outside guy gets injured, you have Eligwe and Tanoh waiting in the wings who at least have a year of experience on your squad. At S or CB we are starting some very mediocre players, if we get one injury in the secondary as it stands we are down to playing with garbage.

Yes, but that's a short term view and approach. If Hubbard or an OLb of choice explodes and becomes an elite pass rusher, he allows you to let Ford walk and plug that in.

If you don't take him but choose to fill a need with a lesser prospect, it can get ugly.

Hard to play the "If" game though right? If Tanoh makes a huge leap forward you let Ford walk. I'm not against adding OLB depth, but with who's lin this draft class I would much rather take someone in the 4th who the Chiefs could hope "explodes" into elite status. Okoronkwo, Holland, Mata'afa, Fitts, Ejifor all going 4th round and later in this mock. The risk/reward ratio taking one of these guys in the 4th is much better than taking a slightly more polished guy in the 2nd I think.

Plus you've got the sad fact that even taking a guy in the second like Tanoh last year, he may be behind Zombo on the depth chart in his first season anyway...

If they're taking a guy in the 2nd like Hubbard, they don't like Tanoh.

Shepherd in the 3rd would be a coup.

This is the Best Possible Worlds mock.

Our OLB situation is a mess, man. Don't underplay that.

Tanoh has a ton of promise, and I'm high on him at this point.

Ford is on a one-year rental at this point, and Houston may be presenting cap difficulties if his play declines.

Ok, but so is the DL and the Safety spot, and the Corner spot.

Drafting a guy in the 2nd round, giving him 158 snaps, then giving up on him would be insane though, like better be firing scouts if that happens.

Drafted by a different GM.

Absolutely man. I think he's got a shot to sneak into round 2. Lot of teams like him.

Not even remotely true IMO. Tanoh is still in development and Ford is in a contract year. Also, Houston is almost 30. I just don't see it as an indictment on Tanoh.

Agreed. Rotating rushers is not a terrible strategy either. Houston and Ford haven’t exactly been dependable regarding health and KPass will need some seasoning. With an ability to rush from the interior, getting another speed edge rusher could be wise.

I know people are polarized on Carter, but I think he’d be a great fit on the roster. He is intelligent, versatile and brings it. KC has long trusted the coaching out of Georgia, and Carter presents a ready to play prospect who would slide right into Sutton’s scheme and be productive.

The best way for tanoh to develop is for him to play. Drafting another dude in the 2nd is gonna take snaps.

You can rotate players. Plus with Ford's injury history and Houston's knee, you never know. The more pass rushers the better. It just depends on how the board falls IMO. If Hubbard is there and some of the corners are off the board, its BPA.

At 54, I'm good with CB, S, EDGE, LG or DL. I may be the lone one who would be fine if one of the top interior OL prospects fell. I ****ing hate Bryan Witzmann.

But it sounds like Mike Hughes is the top target with how much it's leaked that KC loves him. We'll see how the board falls and when the run on corners is.

Sure, you can rotate players. But not like that. I'm not drafting for "you never know" ..

If they want to take a pass rusher at 54, fine.

But by doing that, you're gonna take someone currently there off the field.

That was only meant towards Houston. But I’m good with whatever they do at 54, which sounds like corner or safety. I’m just saying giving reasoning why you can add a pass rusher this early. Who knows if they keep Ford after this year. He’s been hurt a lot. As for Houston, he’s still very effective but you can save a ton towards the cap next year. I’m not saying I’d cut him but merely stating the possibility. If KC decides to move on from Ford and Houston next year, you slide in Tanoh and the draft pick.

This team is left wide open at 54 which is a good thing. I can’t wait for the draft to see the full plan of this off-season.

I think we can all agree with team needs of CB, S, EDGE, LG and DL will be hard to fill this one off season. With what looks like a minimum 2 year build, Veach doesn't need to play the "what if" game this year. Take the BPA at those positions.

I don't really think they need to draft more edge players, they need their current edge players to be healthy.

They need DL and secondary players.

And if they don’t get healthy, I’m sick of seeing Frank zombo

I want DaRon Payne more than just about everyone in this draft

Edit: imagine a DL of Payne Williams/Hill and Jones.


Also love Rasheem Green in this draft

Sure, but there's 10 other spots on the field.

Yes and they have more picks. They’ll fill a lot of holes on defense in this draft.

I like Payne, but I'd rather have someone with more pass rush upside, like Hurst. Even Settle has more pass rush I think on the interior. On balance, even a disrupter like RJ McIntosh has more appeal

Payne has pass rush potential. He proved it in the playoffs

Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if we got Payne, just can't see any way it happens. Hurst was more effective and I can dream that the heart issue etc makes him fall.

It’s not happening. I’m just saying I’d love to have him

I think it's hard to say they'll "fill holes" with mid-round picks, especially with what people seem to be asking for around here, but I do understand what you're getting at.

That said, I do expect a 2nd round guy to be a significant contributor and I'd prefer that guy to be a CB or that the Chiefs package picks and move up for one. I'd expect the 3rd round guys to be rotational players at best early on, but I do believe your best chance to "fill holes" at that point is to draft TE, OL, S and RB. I feel if the Chiefs come away with one or two of those, it would be a boost to the team. Obviously, RB isn't a need but you can concoct any combination of the other 3.

I don't expect later picks to be much more than a craps shoot, but I'd definitely prefer some developmental prospects on the D-Line/Edge, O-line, and QB. Kick in a special teamer if possible and I think it's a solid draft effort.

Yah, but I trust this scouting department and front office overall enough to believe they can find value in rounds 4,6,7. They have done it before. Not saying long-term studs but they can find rotational guys and some good pieces (rotational guy RNR, long term RG in LDT).

I agree with you. It feels like a Corner in round 2 and a safety in round 3 would be two areas where the Chiefs could get a starter and a rotational player. Dline, we already signed all the same guys as last year (RNR, Jenkins as depth) so you may as well look at a developmental guy behind those.