Let's talk Secondary
 

Is there any question this unit has the most questions?

In looking at our roster and some depth charts out there seems these CBs have best shot at finding playing time

Steven Nelson (5'-11, 194, Age 25) - 3rd in '15
Keith Reaser (6'-0, 190, 26) - 5th in '14 by SF
Kendall Fuller (5'-11, 198, 23) - 3rd in '16 by Was
David Amerson (6'-1, 205, 26) - 2nd in '13 by Was
Will Redmond (6'0, 186, 24) - 3rd in '16 by SF

Probably more relegated to special teams duty if they make the team?

Tremon Smith (6'-0, 190, 21) - 6th in '18
Ashton Lampkin (6'-0, 189, 24) - UDFA in '17
Makinton Dorleant (5'-11, 185, 25) - UDFA in '16
Arrion Springs (6'-0, 205, 22) - UDFA in '18
D'Montre Wade (6'-0, 200, 23) - UDFA in '18

Free safety I'm seeing:

1. Leon McQuay (6'-1, 195, 23) - 6th in '17
2. Robert Golden (5'-11, 202, 27) - UDFA in '12, first 6 yrs w/ Pit
3. Armani Watts (5'-11, 205, 22) - 4th in '18
4. Jordan Sterns (5'-11, 198, 24) - UDFA in '17


and SS...

1. Eric Berry (6'-0, 212, 29) - 1st in '10
2. Daniel Sorensen (6'-2, 208, 28) - UDFA in '14
3. Eric Murray (5'-11, 199, 24) - 4th in '16
4. Step Durham (5'-11, 194, 23) - UDFA in '18

My early observations would...

- damn, we really haven't invested many early draft picks on any secondary guys that are on this year's roster

- is this the year Sorensen goes away forever? Love ya and god bless...

-Can one of these guys I have never heard of step up and become a legitimate NFL corner?

:shrug:

We really need the pass rush to step up and help these guys.

I really like Tremon Smith. He's played QB ,WR,punt returner and now safety. Has ball skills similar to Peterson. Tons of potential !!!!!!!

That's good to hear, because I really don't think I like Steven Nelson.

Tremon Smith and Armani watts could be very important additions both have a ton of potential

I think Amerson will be the one that we wind up hating - and will prove to be a liability - & I hope like hell I'm wrong.

My feeling also. BUT, he did lead the league in passes Defensed 2 years ago. Maybe the Raiders sorry coaching hurt him last year.

Scary

Get a damn pass rush and that will help. Not much to be thrilled about at CB except for Fuller. He can ball. Berry is the key though. If he has some left in the tank we could surprise.

this group could be a burn unit really quick, hoping one of these late round picks or unknown guys/stashes becomes a diamond in the rough.

Gosh preseason will be here before you know it. :) :)

Fuller and Berry WILL start

Everything else is a bit of a tossup, though I assume Nelson and Amerson will win starting jobs

Indeed!

Yep !!

The pass rush is truly the big unknown this year for sure. Will Ford be at least respectable? Will Berry ball like he did in 16? Will Fuller ball like he did in Washington? Will Houston be allowed to rush more than be in coverage? Will Tanoh break out ? Will Jones finally produce a consistent steady disruptive motor? Will this years defensive draft picks be able to produce ?

I trust the pass rush to be good. The secondary not so much. I feel confident in having Fuller as a #1 CB, Nelson as a #3 CB but I see Amerson as a #4CB, meaning a guy who could be good enough to start but you are not sure. Now where is the #2 CB.

It's bad. The end.

But it's all good if we score 30+ a game.

See years 02-05. It wasn't good enough then either. We need a defense that is at least respectable IMHO.

Worst secondary weve had in some time.

Dawg we had Revis starting last year

Lol, we have Eric Berry and Kendall Fuller

The secondary we brought to Oakland last year was far worse. The only good player on that unit was Peters

I'm not sure it's even the worst secondary of the last two years, not counting the few minutes Berry played to start last season. Even without Peters.

They'll look better if there's a pass rush. Just like every other group of db's everywhere. I'm just not sure there'll be a pass rush.

Sorensen will be gone. Berry is hungry and the young defense will feed off him and houstons energy, especially without negative attitude peters. The pass rush/front 7 will be key to success of the secondary

Our defense is gonna be much better this year. Veach drafted defense to get faster. Ragland and Hitchins are going to make a huge difference. Our secondary is hungry.

And sorenson isn't going anywhere.

Here's my bold predictions...

Berry and Sorensen will start at safety.
Fuller and Amerson will start at CB.
Nelson and O'Daniel will play NB dependent upon the situation.

Assuming the Chiefs keep 10 DBs... I'd think the following:

CB Fuller, Amerson, Nelson, Redmond, Smith
S Berry, Sorensen, McQuay, Watts, Murray

They stash on the PS CBs Lampkin and Wade

I'm not gonna lie, I miss Marcus Peters like I have Stockholm Syndrome.

Veach needs another CB. Maybe he pulls the trigger in the Supplemental Draft. The thing is, we gave up a 4th Round pick for Ragland in the 2019 Draft. That being said, I won't be surprised if Veach claws back a draft pick or two trading some of guys before the season starts. We're vulnerable in the secondary and at C.

CB's outside of Fuller are a mess.

I think it's a pretty safe bet you're right on this.

Now we might have someone other than Houston step up this year and provide a respectable pass rush. Solid pass rush helps hide a mediocre secondary.

Also having Berry back will be a huge help to a suspect secondary...

I'm glad we are seeing some of these young guys get time. We need to know what we got heading into next year's draft.

Where's CasselGotPeed on to call me out again LMAO

Safety play for sure

Corners weren’t that bad

How the hell we didn't use one of our 2nds on a CB is beyond dumb.

Secondary bad.

Greedy Williams?

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019CB.php

Might have to trade up a bit to get him.

Daniel Sorensen is 6-2?!

With the afro...:)

We might have a solid #3 corner in Ward.
I thought he had a decent showing in the Seattle game, and showed some growth in his 2nd start against the Raiders.

Should have started him and Jordan Lucas much earlier in the season.

Lucas wasn’t ready. He really still isn’t but they’ve run out of time.

Lucas might be ready now if they played him more during the season.

Looking at what have now.... Can Scandrick play FS or SS?
I know he has lost quickness, but will he tackle? Maybe with plays in front of him we might be able to squeeze some more out of the tank.......

And he might not be either. It is what it is.

Might want to give it a try - not including Berry - we have all slop back there.

Hell no.

Keep in mind the only game he didn't play we didn't have a single defensive holding penalty called THE WHOLE GAME.

I think we averaged around 3 per game before last week.

Scandrick needs to sit.

Options if Berry can't play........... Parker (won't tackle at all), Murray (can't tackle at all), Sorenson (limited in coverage, really a box safety), Lucas (best of the lot?), Smith (not Alex, unknown)

God I wish Watts was healthy

So are we currently seeing the following starters:

LCB Fuller
RCB Nelson
FS Sorensen
SS Lucas
NCB Ward

:shrug:

what a difference a year and a half can make. I'm sorry Sorensen. I hope you will forgive me.

Well Sorenson is on contract for 1 more year a $4.7M. We still need to pick up a CB in the draft, I think.

Just not with the first round. That needs to be OL or LB. We need a stud there.

Wtf? We have 2 CB’s under contract for next season. Not to mention drafting for need is a terrible idea when picking late. BPA is the only way to go if we want to maximize value.

We need either a ILB or CB with our first round pick

Agree with this. Also, it seems we’ll be taking a WR next assuming we lose Sammy and Robinson.

Robinson was on GMFB this morning. Sounds like he’s gone. He wants to get paid

That’s spot on. I was just looking at our secondary on overthecap and Breeland and Fuller are both free agents along with Claiborne, but we can find depth. I understand this draft is heavy with CB and WR.

I don't begrudge him this...good for him if he gets a big contract. But I'm not certain he'll be pulling an Albert Wilson on the open market. He was a mostly a product of Pat. I mean...he was our 3rd receiver...and probably shouldn't have been, given Hardman would have likely out shined him had they given him more snaps.

BPA is the only way to go. Use FA to fill in the other positions as best you can - in Veach I trust at this point. Assuming Hardman is opposite Hill as starters, I'd like to see them either use Pringle in the slot (mainly for his hands...speed not so much) or look to add a faster slot type receiver from the draft in middle rounds. CB feels less important, depending on what we do with with the defensive line and linebackers. If we trade Chris Jones and don't upgrade the LB's, we definitely need some talent at CB. If we sign Jones and upgrade LB, CB just needs to be serviceable.

Wishful thinking here but if he doesn’t get a offer he really likes he should consider a 1 year deal to come back and he can replace Watkins. Run those numbers up and then go get a big contract.

2 elite safeties can go a long way to alleviate the need for a very expensive elite CB. Or at least fill in while you develop one.

I agree with your take 100%.....Hardman should have started ahead of Robinson.....I think they saved Hardman for his return duties.

Next year, Hardman starts!

Hardman needs to work on his route running ,I don’t know if he could replace Watkins or not. Watkins was a beast after the catch last yr and early on this season .

He needs game reps. He can work on his routes all he wants in practice, but he needs the reps to nail it in games. We just need to take lumps with him for the early part of next year until he gets it.

Absolutely right. Hardman is as dangerous as anyone if he can get the ball. He had 538 yards on 26 receptions. So he was 172nd in receptions, yet 77th in yards. He just isn't very well polished at this time. We can't really rely on him to be WR2 next year. The year after next year? Maybe.