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Mr_Tomahawk 07-02-2018 08:12 PM
Who’s got the best prices on lumber?
 
Building a deck....shopping around for the best deal on lumber. Who ya got?

Somewhere in or near Johnson County, KS preferred.

SAUTO 07-02-2018 08:14 PM
The amish in Windsor mo.

lewdog 07-02-2018 08:18 PM
Your mom.

Billay's mom.

JoeyChuckles 07-02-2018 08:21 PM
He called the wood lumber.

shitgoose 07-02-2018 08:35 PM
Menards

BryanBusby 07-02-2018 09:36 PM
Da rain forest

Bitch

HonestChieffan 07-02-2018 09:57 PM
wood decks are so 1983

Naptown Chief 07-02-2018 11:23 PM
Depending on what your girl looks like I'll give her some wood for free..

Simply Red 07-03-2018 12:01 AM
are you gay?

Scooter LaCanforno 07-03-2018 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13613944)
Building a deck....shopping around for the best deal on lumber. Who ya got?

Somewhere in or near Johnson County, KS preferred.

Home Depot will beat competitors pricing by 10%

HemiEd 07-03-2018 06:08 AM
I am a firm believer that Home Depot has the best lumber when compared to Lowes, Menards and Meeks.

Pricing is similar but the quality is not.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-03-2018 06:47 AM
Tyler Bray

notorious 07-03-2018 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 13614140)
I am a firm believer that Home Depot has the best lumber when compared to Lowes, Menards and Meeks.

Pricing is similar but the quality is not.
This.

bevischief 07-03-2018 07:24 AM
Shawnee Mission park.

ptlyon 07-03-2018 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13614157)
Tyler Bray
That was low

Holladay 07-03-2018 07:59 AM
Have you thought about composite? I did mine 15 yrs ago. No staining...nothing. I cost about double but an well satisfied.

The tech and prices have come along way since then.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-03-2018 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 13614207)
That was low
:)

Just listened to Cracker

Shaid 07-03-2018 08:28 AM
yep, I did composite with the little black tab spacers so you don't actually screw into the boards. Very nice clean look. Did it about 8 years ago now. Composite handrails as well but black metal spindels. Goal was that you do it once and don't have to worry about restaining, etc. That's exactly what I got. Nice sturdy deck. If you do composite, I'd recommend no more that 12" spaces even if it says you can go wider. It's only a few more boards and it makes it so nice and sturdy it's worth it.

Bugeater 07-03-2018 11:45 AM
I think it all sucks these days. Seems like I always have to spend a ton of time sifting through to find boards straight enough to work with. 2 of the 3 4x4 supports for the front of my shed roof have twisted since last October and will never look right now. Waste of money.



So yeah, go composite.

notorious 07-03-2018 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 13614411)
I think it all sucks these days. Seems like I always have to spend a ton of time sifting through to find boards straight enough to work with. 2 of the 3 4x4 supports for the front of my shed roof have twisted since last October and will never look right now. Waste of money.



So yeah, go composite.
You have to take a moisture meter with you for stuff like that. It didn't use to be this way, but they rush the lumber out of the mills to the store way to quickly.

Bwana 07-03-2018 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 13614411)


So yeah, go composite.
This

Mr_Tomahawk 07-03-2018 01:10 PM
It will be composite...

...just not the joist, beams, and posts.

Mr_Tomahawk 07-03-2018 01:11 PM
Has anyone here ever even built a deck...?

Bugeater 07-03-2018 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13614415)
You have to take a moisture meter with you for stuff like that. It didn't use to be this way, but they rush the lumber out of the mills to the store way to quickly.
So they twisted up because they weren't dry when I installed them? Not really following...but I have noticed some stuff being extremely wet and heavy when I pull it off the shelves. Don't recall if those were or not.

kccrow 07-03-2018 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 13614695)
So they twisted up because they weren't dry when I installed them? Not really following...but I have noticed some stuff being extremely wet and heavy when I pull it off the shelves. Don't recall if those were or not.
A few cents...

2 things happen, generally... either it was wet and dried out or it was dry and acclimated (got wet). Air dried for a few months, you might be at 19-20% (<=19% meets the standard for making S-DRY or surfaced dry lumber that you'll see stamped at the box store) while kiln dried is usually 6-8% for hardwoods and 10-12% for softwoods. Either one, after time, will reach it's EMC which will be somewhere around 12% in the US, give or take depending on the relative humidity in the ambient air (might get up to 15-16%). Gaining moisture means swelling, twisting and cracking. Losing it can be the same thing basically, shinking twisting and cracking. The positive about kiln dried is that the lumber loses alot of it's elasticity so it usually won't bend and twist as badly as green or air dried. You're also going to notice alot more movement in larger pieces of wood, so your 4x4ss will move much more than your 2x4s. Tangential cuts will move more than endgrain cuts, etc.

If your lumber is treated, it would have been kiln dried before or after treatment with the latter being better. With kiln dried before treatment, you are drying the wood, then getting it wet, then letting it sit, then installing it where it will dry again and generally twist, cup, etc. If you get treated wood dried after treatment, it's far less likely to twist up on you. If lumber is treated after drying and you use it where one edge is exposed to sun and the other is exposed to ground or a wetter environment, expect that shit to twist.

kccrow 07-03-2018 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13613944)
Building a deck....shopping around for the best deal on lumber. Who ya got?

Somewhere in or near Johnson County, KS preferred.
Best deal is almost always a local millwork shop. After that, pick your favorite box store. We supplied Menards, La-Z-Boy, and several large cabinet manufacturers. I can tell you this, you'd pay less than half as much if you can get in good with a shop. Custom run shit is what gets expensive (usually matching existing trim)

Bugeater 07-03-2018 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13614969)
A few cents...

2 things happen, generally... either it was wet and dried out or it was dry and acclimated (got wet). Air dried for a few months, you might be at 19-20% (<=19% meets the standard for making S-DRY or surfaced dry lumber that you'll see stamped at the box store) while kiln dried is usually 6-8% for hardwoods and 10-12% for softwoods. Either one, after time, will reach it's EMC which will be somewhere around 12% in the US, give or take depending on the relative humidity in the ambient air (might get up to 15-16%). Gaining moisture means swelling, twisting and cracking. Losing it can be the same thing basically, shinking twisting and cracking. The positive about kiln dried is that the lumber loses alot of it's elasticity so it usually won't bend and twist as badly as green or air dried. You're also going to notice alot more movement in larger pieces of wood, so your 4x4ss will move much more than your 2x4s. Tangential cuts will move more than endgrain cuts, etc.

If your lumber is treated, it would have been kiln dried before or after treatment with the latter being better. With kiln dried before treatment, you are drying the wood, then getting it wet, then letting it sit, then installing it where it will dry again and generally twist, cup, etc. If you get treated wood dried after treatment, it's far less likely to twist up on you. If lumber is treated after drying and you use it where one edge is exposed to sun and the other is exposed to ground or a wetter environment, expect that shit to twist.
These are just vertical posts on the north end of the building, not really exposed to any sun. Purchased at HD. Is the big box store lumber typically dried before treatment?


Edit: Did some Googling and it sounds like I need to find some stamped KDAT, or buck up for real cedar even though that's not as good as it used to be. Or wrap the ****ing things with PVC sleeve.

ghak99 07-03-2018 09:51 PM
NOT Menards! Absolute garbage that isn't straight to begin with and then starts moving the minute you offload.

I've noticed Lowes is generally a step up and Home Depot another step up. Local Amish have a source that is better than all of the above and appears to be well sorted, but I have no idea where they ship their stuff in from.

Valiant 07-04-2018 10:20 AM
If going composite, get more expensive and read reviews. Some bleach out really quickly.

Other complaints are mold, but that should be every deck type. And my belief is that comes from not making decks at a slight angle for water to run off.

notorious 07-04-2018 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 13614695)
So they twisted up because they weren't dry when I installed them? Not really following...but I have noticed some stuff being extremely wet and heavy when I pull it off the shelves. Don't recall if those were or not.
Yep. When it dries it bends out of shape. How the wood is cut in relation to grain can also cause it to be more/less stable.

Best way to tell is to take a measurement of any wood around your house during the winter and summer. That will give you a range in which you want to fall.

dodgy 07-04-2018 10:40 AM
I’ll give your wife some lumber for free

HemiEd 07-04-2018 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13614538)
Has anyone here ever even built a deck...?
I spent my first six months of retirement doing just that. Then a year later I built a monster pergola over the back deck.

Not a nail in the stuff I built but the contractor used all nails in what he did.

HonestChieffan 07-05-2018 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13614538)
Has anyone here ever even built a deck...?

I just finished demo and rebuild on a 20 by 16 top deck and step down to a 16 by 18.

We atre not done trimming it and closing it up under byr railings and top and stairs are done.

Did Dekorators Vista decking and aluminum railing

SuperBowl4 07-05-2018 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13614538)
Has anyone here ever even built a deck...?
I just replaced the deck on my yacht.

Shaid 07-05-2018 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13614538)
Has anyone here ever even built a deck...?
yep, built mine and built one at my old house that was a 2 level deck. Old one was 8x12s with a small step down between them. Did it that way because I enclosed it and used part under it for storage so wanted the extra headspace but the entry door was a little lower. Worked well and had neighbors comment on how they wish they had one like that. That was standard lumber so you had to deal with refinishing, etc.

Current house is a 12x12, with a step down to a block patio that's 14x14 with a small retaining wall. No under deck storage this time. I'd adjust the block patio height a bit if I had to do it again but that's more a landscaping thing than a problem of any kind. Also had some positive comments on it.

Did the first one with the help of my father-in-law as I had never attempted anything like that. Funny thing is, I ended up showing him a few things as I had done a ton of online research prior to us starting. Second one was just me. Really happy with it. Next outdoor project is to build a shed but I'm strongly considering just getting a pre-built because it's just tough to find the time.


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