Chiefs confident Sammy Watkins, Patrick Mahomes are “starting to sync”
 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...rting-to-sync/

Wide receiver Sammy Watkins hasn’t caught a pass through the team’s first two preseason games and he failed to come back for a Patrick Mahomes pass that could have been a touchdown.

Coach Andy Reid noted that Watkins needs to do a better on plays like that, but he didn’t show much overall concern about how Watkins is fitting into the offense in his first year with the team. Reid said he loves Watkins’ “intensity on learning all the little, small things” and has seen that translate into good things at practice.

Offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy had a similar take and said that he’s seen signs that Watkins and Mahomes are striking up a strong relationship.

“When it’s all said and done, Sammy is doing a heck of a job,” Bieniemy said, via ESPN.com. “He’s doing a great job. He’s accepted the challenge because we’re not just playing him at one position. He’s accepted the challenge of learning all three across the board. We want versatile football players. I know everybody wants to talk about what’s happening on the field on game day, but I will say this: Their communication, their rhythm is starting to sync.”

Mahomes agreed with the coaches about Watkins making strides even if they haven’t shown up in games. That’s easier to sell in preseason than in the regular season, which leaves the Chiefs with a couple of weeks to get everyone in line.

If i had to go off nothing but what we've seen in camp and preseason thus far, Demarcus Robinson looks like a better receiver.

Also not being paid $34M over the next 2 years.

I think Robinson could provide 70% of Watkins’ production at 1/20 the cost.

I think Robinson has maybe moved in front of Conley on the depth chart to #3. I haven't paid a ton of attention to Conley through camp, but all I know is we have a ton of talent at WR this year and he better step it up if he wants to keep his spot.


Watkins
Hill
Robinson
Conley
Kemp
Dieter/Chesson

That's a hell of a group.

I feel like when you have to come out and say stuff like this, it's not happening.

First major flub of the Veach regime. Our secondary is absolutely horrendous and we spent 16m annually on a 2nd tier WR.

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Yep

Yep

Talk is cheap Sammy.

I haven't seen one thing from him to be overly optimistic. He sleep walks through plays and just doesn't seem like he's fitting in with the club.

But, games don't start counting for 2 more runs either.

Yep. In addition to DB help, could also maybe have gotten a decent starting LG.

Pretty much. Not exactly reassuring if they're just now starting to sync...

And there are some concerns...

We paid way over what he will produce. There is only one football to go around and hes like the third option. His price will go down in KC history as a total waste. Maybe im way off but he would have to be balling out hard for it not to be.

It's weird, for years we've always wished to have better WR's and such.

But it's almost detrimental it seems when it gets to a certain point.

Any thought to having to learn Andy's offense? Theres always talk about hot complex it is. Maybe thats whats holding him back. Maybe Andy needs to stop over complicating this shit.

Maybe he just sucks, who knows.

Flip side, we've seen like what, 25 snaps this offseason?

This. Plus, factor in the possible pressure he's putting on himself due to the huge contract he signed?

It's preseason, ultimately.

Flip side is there no one really has a clue until we see go from vanilla to chocolate.

Yeah, and VANILLA, right? He's not playing hard because vanilla and he doesn't want to give away how good he is.
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It's the only smart play. We call that "pulling a Kris Wilson".

Agreed. I also wanted to help the secondary.

A couple good things about this situation now that we are here is that Watkins really doesn't have to light the world on fire. Even if can just pose a threat he would greatly help guys like Hill, Kelce, and most importantly Mahomes. And if somebody gets hurt we have depth.

Not saying it's worth 16 million a year when we had other pressing needs, but whether this has more benefits or not compared to fixing other positions, there still can be benefits.

For the cap space he’s taking he better be Julio ****ing Jones.

Lol at folks judging Sammy off the back of THREE quarters's of football of which one of them he had no balls thrown his way and the other two quarters he had three targets with one over thrown and another thrown behind him. If you want to moan about the n zone throw then fine, but to write him off in preseason when he's barely had a chance to make a play is straight stupid and reactionary. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised as there was the same knee jerk reaction about the o line after the first game too smh.

The last thing Mahomes needs to trying to force feed a guy because of his contract. One of the reasons I hate the money we gave him. He better not do that.

Don't forget the injury as well.


People in here saying he sucks. C'mon. Go look up Sammy roasting the Chiefs or a ton of highlights on the Rams last year.

Sucks. Shake my damn head. This board has zero patience.

In those 25 snaps Tyreek Hill had to slow down to catch a 70 yard pass.

But Watkins gets a pass cause vanilla and preseason and stuff.

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Yeah. He gets a pass. Considering Tyreek has been here three years.



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It almost seems like we should let them play an actual game or 2 before we call this signing a bust.

No. It's already bad. That money should've went to the secondary. Now we'll have to deal with the double whammy of atrocious talent in the backfield along with dumb**** Bob and his "play every CB 5+ yards back" bullshit.

Or we can observe a player’s history in the league and make an educated judgment instead of basing our opinion on hope and what might happen.

I would have rather spent the money on the secondary as well, but I'm not really seeing where it should have went player wise that was on the market. They weren't giving it ot a safety with Berry already on a monster deal. Corner maybe, but man.

I'm excited, but have a lurking bad feeling about this season.

The identity of the team has changed, and yet with all the promise of the potential on offense, it overshadows the fact that the defense is unproven and nothing to suggest that it has improved. I think the whole team will be going through growing pains.

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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback/

Heres the free agent corners that signed this past offseason. I guess you could have had 2 of them for what Watkins got, but it isn't exactly murders row there.

On who?

Yeah I'd like to see the corner options again. Weren't many options. Would love to have a few of them, don't get me wrong. Wanting them and getting them to sign are different stories.

Also different is comparing Watkins value to our team vs. his value compared to a cornerback. Yes a defensive back would have probably been better for the overall team. That doesn't mean that Watkins doesn't help this team.

What do you mean by “come out and say”?

Seems like they were asked questions and answered.

Jesus Christ how did Malcolm Butler get that much $$?

When questions are getting asked about it, you have to come out and answer it no?

Why do you think there are questions about it at this point?

The FA corner group sucked this year.

They clearly wanted Fuller, but it just wasn’t going to happen without significantly overpaying.

Supply and demand.

I wonder what it would have cost to have gotten him? I never really saw a #

I'm not convinced our secondary is going to be that bad.

They way you said that made it sounds like they started the PC out by saying “Hey guys don’t worry about Watkins, him and Mahomes are starting to sync.

They were asked a question and answered it. What were they supposed to do?

Name Pos Age Original Team New Team Years Total Average

Trumaine Joh. CB 28 LA NYJ 5 $72,500,000 $14,500,000
Malcolm Butler CB 28 NE TEN 5 $61,250,000 $12,250,000
Richard Sherm. CB 30 SEA SF 3 $27,150,000 $9,050,000
Prince Amuk. CB 29 CHI CHI 3 $27,000,000 $9,000,000
Aaron Colvin CB 26 JAC HOU 4 $34,000,000 $8,500,000
Travis Carrie CB 28 OAK CLE 4 $31,000,000 $7,750,000
Tyrann Mathieu FS 26 ARI HOU 1 $7,000,000 $7,000,000
Morris Claiborne CB 28 NYJ NYJ 1 $7,000,000 $7,000,000
D.J. Hayden CB 28 DET JAC 3 $19,000,000 $6,333,333
Rashaan Melvin CB 28 IND OAK 1 $5,500,000 $5,500,000
Kurt Coleman FS 30 CAR NO 3 $16,350,000 $5,450,000

The Jets and Browns had acres of Cap Space so who knows if we were ever winning a bidding war with them for Johnson, Carrie, or Claiborne.

The fact that they're having to answer the question is the problem here. If you're having to come out and answer questions about your big free agent signing isn't a good thing

Yea, I dont expect it to be great or anything close to it, but i think it will be better than people are making it out to be.

Yeah, looking at the sportrac breakdowns, it's rough. I mean, maybe a guy like Aaron Colvin, but that's a fair amount of coin for a guy that's not really been THAT great.

Lol the overreaction is absolutely ridiculous. The guy hasn’t even played a full game with a real gameplan yet. JFC this place has somehow become more unbearable even with our new shiny QB.

Until they are able to start stopping the run, it won't really matter on the secondary.

Well, when you make a guy that's had the career of Watkins thus far the highest paid WR , people would like to see some results I'd imagine.

Man, when you start looking around at free agency, really start to realize how you have to be able to draft well. FFS, guys get a lot of $

You kind of have to wait for the games to start if you want real results.

Ok.

Devils Advocate. If you can't panic at negative results, should we not get excited about good results?

O.City would have cut half our starting roster by now. LMAO

He would be one hardass GM. :D

listen if this is the best counter you can come up with to defend Watkins then its not good.

When you get paid as much as Watkins got, time is no excuse. Hes not a 5th round developmental pick. Hes a guy that got 16 million per to come in here and contribute and that expectation should be from day one. If he needs 1...2...5 weeks to gel then the contract is a failure, its lost ROI.

Did you know Hunt hasn't scored a TD the whole preseason?

I don't **** around.

That's not my point. I'm not even trying to hate on Watkins here. My point is that some people say a negative camp and preseason doesn't matter, which may be true. But why are such positive attitudes gained about players during this time while negative attitudes are not allowed?

At this rate he'll finish the season with ZERO catches for ZERO yards and ZERO touchdowns. The verdict is in. Jon Baldwin is a better WR. Grab your pitch forks boys we're storming arrowhead at dawn!

WE'RE DOOMED1!!1!!1!!!!

I don’t go to one extreme or the other in preseason. I mean it’s nice to see your starting offense put a nice scoring drive together, your defense get a 3 and out, and your young guys flash, but you still have no idea what you’re going to get in the regular season.

This is a unique situation. You have a WR in an offense that is by all accounts very difficult to learn at that position playing with a young/new QB who he’s trying to get on the same page with. And he could also be dealing with a hip injury that he’s trying not to aggravate.

I’m not saying it isn’t a little bit concerning, but the overreaction is absolutely absurd.

The same people saying we should’ve gotten a corner would be bitching about Trumaine Johnson, Kyle Fuller, or whoever getting burned in TC/preseason.

Did you people not see Kyle Fuller get abused by Emmanuel Sanders?

I’m not implying those guys are going to suck or wouldn’t help, I’m just simply pointing out that you’d be bitching right now either way. Those guys are not shutdown corners. Kendall Fuller is way better than any of the FA corners in 2018. Be happy we at least got him.

Who's bitching? We can't discuss that our big time free agents has underwhelmed thus far in the preseason?

I'd also say Trumaine is about as close to a shutdown corner as you're gonna get in free agency, and he cost 75 million. **** that noise.

i can tell you haven't been here very long. This place overreacts on everything

I would say you get as optimistic about some players as others have gotten negative about different ones. Not saying extremes, but not every concern about Watkins here is an extreme one.

I personally am not worried yet but I don't think some concern is an over-reaction.

And I believe he's hurt.

Never mind, my questions and comments were covered in some later post.

I haven't heard anything about him so I wasn't sure, but I also haven't paid much attention to the Jets.

There were a couple of corners you could have signed for that money sure, but I dunno what that really does.

I think a better argument would have been to spend it on a few DL maybe.

More importantly they need to develop some of their own CB's and DL that aren't costing free agent dollars.

To Veach's credit....he did go after Wilkerson.

Yeah, wish they could have gotten him. He hasn't done much in GB though, so theres a chance we dodged a bullet there.

Trading a good corner then splashing out on a new one in FA is just bad optics, they were never going to do it. It would be implicitly stating trading MP was a bad move (whether it actually was or not).

I wasn’t directing that at you bud.

Mac and some others have bitched about us not using the money for Sammy to get a corner or 2 all offseason.

Ah, gotcha. :thumb:

Based on the preseason?

Only guy I’ve even given much credit to is Fuller because he looks really ****ing good and he’s already coming off a phenomenal second year.