Veach and the CBs, is he clueless?
 

He traded Peters, an All-pro cornerback, during the offseason, granted Hunt may have been behind that decision.

He signed Amerson who has looked absolutely dreadful so far. Dreadful even against backups.

And then anyone remember how he was saying that he felt good about stacking Will Redmond and Keith Reaser in regards to what was out there in the draft class. How does that sound now? Those guys look like our 7th and 8th CBs for a group that is not good to say the least.

I still dont get how he went from trying to sign Kyle Fuller to settling for Amerson.

Really, if he doesn't make a trade for a CB, I will really question him.

I feel good about the front seven even though I thought Ragland and Hitchens were not that good today, probably rusty.

But I think we know one bad starting CB can practically ruin an entire defense, right?

Trading Peters was reeruned.

I hope he helps the Rams win the Super Bowl.

Yeah, the way he was talking I thought Redmond and Reaser may actually be worth a damn

If I was giving them all a rating (not that madden inflated bs) I'd say

Fuller: 86
Nelson: 72
Scandrick: 63
Amerson: 58
Smith: 59
Everyone else: 55 and below

For reference:
Prime Deion Sanders: 98
Marcus Peters: 90
Chris Harris: 92
Phil Gaines: 61
Terrance Mitchell: 70

Looking at this chart, we shouldn't have signed Amerson or Scandrick, and instead saved that money for Mitchell (assuming Peters remains traded, a decision which I find harder to justify everyday. I console myself with the "nobody else wanted him" narrative)

My biggest issue right now with the position is for those saying we are building for the future, who exactly from the CB group is going to step up in the future? We very likely will go into next offseason needing to fill the exact holes we did this season, with no reason to expect a person on the roster to do so.

It's not even about patience, it's about not even seeing a light at the end of the tunnel at CB. Same thing with safety. Same thing with guard, unless you are counting Wylie or McKenzie. Next offseason could look very similar to this offseason in terms of need and lack of hope that the roster currently holds the solution.

We have one corner. That's a start

Amerson stands for the anthem. Case closed.

Clark ruined this defense by forcing the Peters trade. End of story.

Yes

He got a fantastic ****ing gift from the Redskins in mega cap relief and capital for taking Alex off our hands and used it to sign a ****ing WR when we already had a #1. Talk about dumb.

If Sammy Watkins plays well as a top flight #2 it's worth it. Unlike the Alex Era, we don't have to play with as much balance anymore. Surround mahomes with as many players who can make his growth easier. Have a feeling you'll see veach use the draft much more than free agency to build our D, and that type of build won't happen overnight. I'm playing the long game on this one. My bigger concern is a lot more about whether we're building personnel for the wrong DC at this point.

The Chiefs are going for a 99 Rams type of offense.

They weren't getting that with Conley at #2.

If the Watkins signing pans out you're looking at one of the greatest offenses in NFL history.

Not with this OL it isn't.

Get ready for the fatties in '19

They are going to protect the franchise.

I hope the Rams crash and burn so the Chiefs get a better 2nd round draft pick in '19.

It was terrible but Peters was not staying here anyway. So unless you think he's the missing peice to SB dreams then it doesn't matter. The bad thing is not bringing in another DB. The ones we had on the roster suck.

I think there's about $40m cap space in 2019 to play with right?

OL, DL and Secondary doesn't seem an insurmountable problem to deal with between FA and the draft next year.

The front 7 is a far bigger issue than CB, as pathetic as they are. There is not one single redeeming quality about the front 7. They are absolute dogshit vs the run and do not even get within 5 yards of the QB ... EVER. The Jags corners would look average in our defense.

It's time to scrap the 3-4 joke, take a 4-3 RE with the top 10 pick next year, hope Jones works out as 3T, and it's easier to hide our pathetic LB in a 43.

But KK says O lines don't matter.

Did you watch the game yesterday? We were able to contain the run game pretty well. They converted a bunch of 3rd downs through the air with ease.

I have a bet going with a coworker that when it's all said and done Watkins is in the top 10 at the end of the season. We'll see.

You don’t spend a huge amount of budget on a Ferrari when your house foundation needs vital work.

I agree with the last part, It’s really stupid to keep your best buddy hired as the contractor to work on the foundation even though he’s a baffoon.

In my humble opinion (and in the opinion of many members of the lost Amazon tribes whose survival is directly linked to their ability to withstand extreme humidity and who can and do consume large insects completely raw), this is a darn good take.

This could well be the case. The alternative is troublesome, indeed.

FAX THE CIVILIZED

If you want to question the Watkins deal based on what you’ve seen from him so far, fine, but I can’t argue with Veach’s vision on the deal.

If he plays up to his true potential and ability, they can easily have the most explosive and dangerous offense in the NFL. The kind of offense that carries a team deep into the playoffs, much like great defenses sometimes do and some offenses previously have.

The Steelers spent the better part of the past 5 years making the playoffs with a shitty defense because of how great their offense was. I think that could be the Chiefs this year, but we won’t advance in the playoffs with said shitty defense...

I’m personally trying to stay patient and see what they show week one. There are roster cuts and trades coming and moves to be explored. We’ll see what everything looks like with actual game planning in place.

Not with our OL we cant. The whole left side can not be counted on. Also pretty weak at Center. But I get your point.

:clap: Nailed it!
And there is no doubt we have the wrong DC.

I expect a trade this week.

This season is all about Mahomes getting one under his belt. 19 and 20 we should going for it all. Sell out and stack the defense.

I just keep thinking we could have Fuller & Peters at CB.

If Veach plays long ball on building this defense then he's a damn dufuss. We are paying a QB nothing and that's the window. 19 and 20 he should be going for it.

Well, the "assumption" here is that he needed to go...

Justin Houston and Eric Berry alone won’t be here when Mahomes gets his payday. That’s like $35 million opened up right there.

It has and will always come down to how well we can draft and develop

The defense was near the bottom of the league even with Peters.

I keep hearing this bullshit story, yet I have not heard a single fact to back it up. Just a bunch of butthurt morons crying and pointing fingers at someone other than the one malcontent responsible for the Peters trade. Marcus Peters. It's documented that he didn't want to be in KC. It's documented that he was a head case. It's documented that he was kicked off of his college team for the same reasons that he was traded. It's documented that nobody wanted him except the Rams. But hey, blaming Hunt and saying it was because of the protests makes you feel better I guess. So let's just use your UNDOCUMENTED assumption instead. :facepalm:

You dont get it. We had to add to the CB group, not replace a good CB by another good one and still have an underwhelming group.

Yeah, and if Mahomes is as good as we hope, he will eat that up by himself. Not to mention, there will be other big contracts in there by then. Hopefully, a top free agent corner, Fuller, Hill, and, depending on how they develop, several others could be getting fairly large contracts. You can't count on contracts coming off the books without also figuring in contracts that will happen.

We had to add to the ILB group too bc it was pathetic. Also at DL bc it was pathetic. Also at OLB bc it was pathetic. Also at S bc outside of Berry it was pathetic.

Can’t fix every hole in one offseason.

Marcus Peters Pros:
Created Turnovers

Marcus Peters Cons:
Refuses to tackle
Quit on team
Unsportsmanlike Penalties
Doesn't play the defense that was called
Locker room Cancer
Argues with coaches
Loves the Raiders

Every hole is a goal!

We don’t know all the behind the scenes details but this post really is kinda true. :shrug:

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it 1000 more times. If they felt like there was any reason they could afford to keep their perennial pro bowl corner around longer, he’d still be here. Those guys don’t get traded without good reason.

Then why did we let the Rams fleece us for Peters? Do you have any idea how hard it is to find corners with his instincts and nose for the ball? Documentation are you serious? None of us were in the meetings so we don’t know for sure.

Honestly, do you REALLY believe you would hear facts to back it up? Just think about the controversies present today in the NFL. Would an owner really subject himself and the league to something like that , and DOCUMENT it? He would be inviting a law suit. Would an owner of a franchise want to be branded like that? NOPE!

All that you are saying is true, BUT I also believe that Cark played a roll in it. To not even entertain that possibility is incredibly niave.

Exactly!! Shittsburg has top 5 talent at most OL positions. I’d say our best tops out in the bottom 1/3 of the league.

Fleeced....really. When there were only a couple of teams even willing to consider Peters because of his attitude and history it speaks loudly about what the league thinks of him. We took the best offer to remove a problem from our team. That is not getting fleeced at all and when, not if, he continues his behavior we will have been the one that fleeced the Rams.

When Veach signed Amerison so quickly, it was the first time I thought he wasn't all that. To me, the signing reeked of desperation. He likes to get guys cheap, that were good at one time, but "something" happened and they have questions now. Low-risk - high - reward types. I get that - so do all GM's. The problem is if you count an too many of these types for critical rolls, and they don't pan out, you get a bunch of JAG types who show you why they are who they are now - and it kills your team.

The CB's might suddenly look better if we could muster a little pressure from the line

It would but we would not be allowed to tackle the QB! :(

Woah there. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.

No. Let's go for it.

Two deep threats, both with intermediate skills. One of them a bigger receiver so you can use him for other plays.

Top flight TE who is unlimited.

Elite rusher with receiving skills who can catch the ball down the field ala Faulk.

QB with nearly unlimited potential.

If the OL gets it's shit together there's no reason this offense cant't be in the same league with the 99 Rams or 98 Vikings.

Oh - I agree - BUT the OL is the BIGGEST ??? here.

Rams had Orlando Pace. We have...

Amerson was signed when Peters was still on the team

I thought it was a solid signing as a "4th corner"

We were talking about having a top 5 secondary with Fuller, Peters, Nelson, and Amerson

You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence.

It wasn’t just that Peters was a really good corner for us. With him as your number 1, Fuller became your number 2. Nelson becomes your 3. Amerson becomes your 4.

Anything you get from the rookies is just a bonus.

Sliding in a high level coverage corner at 1, makes every other corner position better because they all slide down one spot.

I missed you. Boop

I don't think Veach is clueless. I think he's following what his coach wants to do and what he thinks is a best plan for rebuilding the team. The pass rush was terrible last year and so was the run defense. I think Veach realized that he couldn't fix everything in one year, so he tried to bolster the front 7 with hopes they could make offenses more one dimensional against them. I'd look for him to address more of the secondary next season and I wouldn't doubt add another pass rusher.

Amerson was let go by Oakland (after being let go by Washington) and KC signed him very quickly afterwards. I don't think the plan was ever for him to play with Peters. While true that he was on the team when Peters was still there, Peters was traded shortly afterwards - I believe only a few weeks after Amerson signed.

IMO, he was signed only because they knew they were letting Peters go. No way the Chiefs decided to let Marcus Peters go on a whim.

But if you're correct in that they did plan to play him with Peters, then I can see him being a 4th CB.

But all that happened way back in February - it's August and Amerison is starting and is in WAY over his head. They had to know this would be the case. Yet they went with it.

Everyone should read this bc it is 100% right.

Let's also not forget that Dorsey also tried the approach of signing lots of overpriced but cheap contracts with the hope that a few would outplay their contracts. We missed with guys like Vance walker. But we got some pretty good bargains in Jarvis Jenkins, vickerson, Terrance Mitchell etc.... Veach will swing or miss on these value pickups but I'm good with him taking a lot of shots.

He actually attempts to tackle, case closed.

Yep, and that is what we know about. It would be surprising if there wasn't more locker room crap we don't know about. It wasn't like this crap just started with him and the Chiefs either, he dropped to the Chiefs due to issues.

But the lefties got to talk about the not kneeling part. Way down the list.

Good grief. Nobody can possibly believe that peters' only pro was creating turnovers. Holy ****ing shit with this stuff. Enjoy amerson. Most fans I would hope know damn well this is a major downgrade. I get why his attitude made him tradeable but good lord with all this ridiculous nonsense about being bad at defense.

Yeah, Brett Veach is such a ****ing idiot that when he watches this team play he doesn't see an issue in the defensive backfield.... Come on guys.

The Peters trade is difficult for fans, which is understandable. As I've stated countless times, the move made this offseason were not for the 2018 season, but two years from now. They got something for Peters before he walked. Fine. Does that suck? Yeah. But while we fans are not really into transitional years, that's what 2018 is. Get ready for shootouts. We have an offense what can do its part, but yeah the defense has some real holes.

Next year we will have a first round pick, probably in the 15-25 selection range. We also will get another 2nd rounder for Peters. Get ready for some fatties and cornerbacks!

Anyone who thinks this team is making a deep run into the playoffs this year is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Now that doesn't mean I don't think they can win the division or even make the playoffs as a wildcard - in fact I expect them in the playoffs, which would be an amazing season for our new young QB.

Probably correct.

:thumb:

You are correct Reid calls the shots, period.

You need to shut the **** up. you ****ing moron.

I think you seriously need an attitude adjustment therefore a good first step would be to replace your leaky tampon.:D

Jesus, even your attempts at insults are putrid, weak, and ****ing moronic.

I hope to hell you have somebody to wipe your ass for you, otherwise your shit goes everywhere you go.

Look in the mirror my friend. It is obvious you have run out of "depends" which also might explain your very bad attitude.:D

I think Veach tried to duplicate what Dorsey did with S. Smith...Amerson was pretty highly touted coming out of college. The only problem was he didn't have a contingency in place in case his reclamation project didn't work out...so on to Scandrick.

It was a one year deal...so not terrible on that end. They kicked the tires...and the whole "change of scenery" tip. I'm sure they're working the upcoming cuts pretty hard...

"In 2011, Amerson recorded 13 interceptions, which tied for second-most in NCAA history (Al Worley from Washington set the record with 14 picks in 1968), earning him first-team All-ACC and Walter Camp All-American honors, along with the coveted Jack Tatum award, which is given to the nation's best defensive back."

Well so far he has just been a great college player and another to bite the dust in the NFL.

milkman isn't wrong. You smear this diarrhea all the ****ing time.

It's absolute bullshit that Reid is in charge of personnel. It's something you made up for some reason, and because you're an arrogant dickbrain, you trumpet it every chance you get.

I think I've found the new Dane.

I don't think he is clueless. I think he took the realistic position that he cant fix the entire defense in one off season.

Fuller via trade looks like an absolute steal.
Amerson looks like a cheap gamble that isn't going to pay off but he will be better than the crap that was thrown out there last year.
Scandrick is also a cheap depth move that would have been CB #2 on the Chiefs last year.
I like the two rookie CBs but they aren't ready yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs concentrate heavily on the secondary next year as well as the lines. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs trade for secondary either in the next few weeks.

I think you are misinterpreting slightly. I never said Reid "calls the shots." Every GM and coach have a relationship where they assess the team together and determine the needs going forward. Reid has traditionally been a "build-the-trenches" type of coach/GM, having spent a lot of resources on his fronts in Philly and even now in KC. Brett Veach was part of that. When it comes to making a decision over what is best for the team in terms of rebuilding the defense, Reid is going to have a tendency to want the trenches first and Veach, when given the choice amongst who he believes are equivalent talents, is going to choose given the positional wants of his coach. Ultimately, Veach will decide the who and the when but is influenced by his coach's needs. This is unlike saying Reid said to draft Speaks or pick up Amerson in free agency and Veach did it, which to me would be Reid calling the shots.

ROFL

That's one of the big issues I have with Reid. Ever since he got to KC he has been working on the OL, and it's still not very good. LG has literally been a revolving door, Center is weak and the LT proves he can't play when he absolutely has to. They have way too much $$$ invested in the OL for the lack of results they're getting. But, he did have OL issues in Philly as well, so I kind of expected it. It's on me for thinking that it would be different in KC.

If you're going to roll the dice with young unproven players, then do it. Let the guys get their snaps and take their lumps. You can't grow young guys by burying them behind a couple bums like Amerson and Scandrick.

I dont agree with the way this has been handled at all.

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I'm actually a bit interested to see how this turns out, as I think it's something we'll see more teams go to.

They seem to be looking to get 3 guys out on the field together that can play inside and outside. Look at Fuller, Nelson, and Scandrick. All have experience playing the slot, etc.

I don't think these are the 3 they really want longterm, but there may be a bit of a pattern.

I also think they need to play the young guys and let whatever happens happen. Put Tremon smith out there and let him play.

Look at what Dallas did last year. Now they're young corners are a strength.

I would rather see Tremon Smith play over Amerson.

They'll cut Amerson. For ****s sake surely.