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htismaqe 09-21-2018 09:53 PM

Did anybody see the Week 2 Stats segment on NFL Total Access just now?
 
It ain't just Patrick Mahomes lighting up the league.

Through two weeks, this is an all-time historic season for points, TDs by QBs, and all kinds of other stuff.

To me, it's just further evidence of how much they've neutered defenses in recent years.

-King- 09-21-2018 10:03 PM

I saw a stat a couple days ago about how week 2 had I think 30 more touchdowns than week 2 of just last year. That kind of tempered my Mahomes hype a bit.
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kccrow 09-21-2018 10:05 PM

Well, Mahomes and FitzMagic have about 8 games worth of Alex Smith-level production so far, so there's that.

htismaqe 09-21-2018 10:07 PM

Check this out. Especially look at points per game, passing TD's, etc. Crazy stuff.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../NFL/index.htm

htismaqe 09-21-2018 10:10 PM

Over the last 10 years, look at the trends vs. the 90's. Not only are TDs way up, INTs are way down. You can clearly see the trend towards more and more passing.

kysirsoze 09-21-2018 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13751133)
Over the last 10 years, look at the trends vs. the 90's. Not only are TDs way up, INTs are way down. You can clearly see the trend towards more and more passing.

I don't love the trends, but boy did we get a world class, cut throat passer at the right time.

htismaqe 09-21-2018 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 13751136)
I don't love the trends, but boy did we get a world class, cut throat passer at the right time.

Yeah, on the one hand, it's a shame what football is becoming. Like the Arena League wasn't ADD enough.

On the other hand, if this is what the NFL is today, it's one heck of time to have Patrick Mahomes.

Halfcan 09-21-2018 10:35 PM

Mahomes is already breaking records- and he is just getting started.

htismaqe 09-21-2018 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13751161)
Mahomes is already breaking records- and he is just getting started.

Right but the point was that the whole league is breaking records.

Deberg_1990 09-21-2018 10:41 PM

Yea.


I’ll bet If I went back and watched an old Chiefs game from the early 90s it would feel very antiquated.

The NFL is Damn near becoming Arena League.

milkman 09-22-2018 02:30 AM

This is why I am not overly concerned with the Chiefs defense.

The old adage that says defense wins championships just isn't true anymore.

DRM08 09-22-2018 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13751320)
This is why I am not overly concerned with the Chiefs defense.

The old adage that says defense wins championships just isn't true anymore.

You'd like to have balance. Rams look pretty strong because the defense is good and so is the offense. Chiefs don't need a great defense, but they need a much better one than we have seen so far.

HemiEd 09-22-2018 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13751133)
Over the last 10 years, look at the trends vs. the 90's. Not only are TDs way up, INTs are way down. You can clearly see the trend towards more and more passing.

Marketing to the casual fan.

milkman 09-22-2018 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 13751325)
You'd like to have balance. Rams look pretty strong because the defense is good and so is the offense. Chiefs don't need a great defense, but they need a much better one than we have seen so far.

Sure. I would like more balance.

But then, we saw what the Patriots did to a damn good Eagle defense.

HemiEd 09-22-2018 08:18 AM

The refs can control the game more than ever now with arbitrary decisions on when to blow the whistle.
Last week you have Justin Houston's jersey getting practically pulled off, the Packers getting totally ****ed on the roughing call, while Mahomes was piled into the ground.

I have a tendency to think we just have to wait until they script in what we are looking for.

Coogs 09-22-2018 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 13751126)
I saw a stat a couple days ago about how week 2 had I think 30 more touchdowns than week 2 of just last year. That kind of tempered my Mahomes hype a bit.
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Smith led 3 FG drives. Just sayin'

KChiefs1 09-22-2018 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13751113)
It ain't just Patrick Mahomes lighting up the league.



Through two weeks, this is an all-time historic season for points, TDs by QBs, and all kinds of other stuff.



To me, it's just further evidence of how much they've neutered defenses in recent years.



You basically can’t touch the QB’s anymore. Now that we have Mahomes, I’m ok with it. It’s not football anymore though.

Just put flags on the QB & call it a day.

KChiefs1 09-22-2018 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 13751471)
Smith led 3 FG drives. Just sayin'



Some things never change.

KChiefs1 09-22-2018 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13751320)
The old adage that says defense wins championships just isn't true anymore.


Just look at the Super Bowls over the last couple of years.

Randallflagg 09-22-2018 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 13751325)
You'd like to have balance. Rams look pretty strong because the defense is good and so is the offense. Chiefs don't need a great defense, but they need a much better one than we have seen so far.




They have one?

RealSNR 09-22-2018 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13751162)
Right but the point was that the whole league is breaking records.

Who cares?

If the whole league is breaking records, then you better be breaking records yourself.

We are.

That doesn't take anything away from Mahomes at all.

jjjayb 09-22-2018 01:49 PM

Is anybody really surprised that offense is up this year? The defense isn't allowed to tackle anymore. If you sack the QB perfectly, don't hit him high, don't hit him low, you still draw a 15 yard penalty because you tackled him too hard. The old days of hard hitting defenses dictating games are long gone. Remember the phrase "defense wins championships"? Not even remotely true today.

Hammock Parties 09-22-2018 02:15 PM

Alex Smith scored 9 points last week.

Easy 6 09-22-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 13751136)
I don't love the trends, but boy did we get a world class, cut throat passer at the right time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13751145)
Yeah, on the one hand, it's a shame what football is becoming. Like the Arena League wasn't ADD enough.

On the other hand, if this is what the NFL is today, it's one heck of time to have Patrick Mahomes.

Yup, I hate what this league is becoming

But if it HAS to be that way... we sure got the right QB for it

Rasputin 09-22-2018 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13751969)
Alex Smith scored 9 points last week.

That doesn't account for Smith hidden touchdowns

FAX 09-22-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13751987)
That doesn't account for Smith hidden touchdowns

Nor does it account for punter ... er ... up setting.

The stats don't tell the punter setting-up story very well ... at all, really, when you think about it.

PFF puts that in the DGAD column on their spreadsheet (which is included in the Super Pro Nerd Insider Subscription).

FAX

KChiefs1 09-23-2018 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13751969)
Alex Smith scored 9 points last week.



Yeah but I bet he setup the punter like a champ!

Dunerdr 09-23-2018 05:02 AM

I feel like the league has slowly been saying **** defense we wanna sell passing and fantasy points. And for years the way to fall into favor is through the passing game, and KC finally got on board this train.

BigRedChief 09-23-2018 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 13751167)
Yea.


I’ll bet If I went back and watched an old Chiefs game from the early 90s it would feel very antiquated.

The NFL is Damn near becoming Arena League.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13751320)
This is why I am not overly concerned with the Chiefs defense.

The old adage that says defense wins championships just isn't true anymore.

THIS! That era is over. I'm sure the defensive players are just as good as the ones 20 years ago. It's the rule changes. They did this on purpose to get more offense in the game.

The great thing for us is that we finally have our own young franchise QB. And it seems like the NFL loves it some Mahomes. Maybe we are going to be getting those Pitt and NE ref calls soon too.

rico 09-23-2018 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13751987)
That doesn't account for Smith hidden touchdowns

ROFL

MIAdragon 09-23-2018 07:43 AM

That said PM2 hasn’t benefited from bogus roughing calls or phantom PI calls. He’s simply slicing up defenses. He’d put up the same stat line that he has now 10 years ago. The kids killing it new rules or not.

rico 09-23-2018 07:50 AM

Rule changes may have some to do with it, sure, but I think the QB’s have brought it up a notch from last year... I mean, look at some of the guys who started Week 1 last year who aren’t starting this year:

Scott Tolzien
Tom Savage (replaced after a half, but still)
Deshone Kizer
Brian Hoyer
Josh McCown
Mike Glennon
Trevor Siemian
Jay Cutler

This year the worst wtf starters throughout the first two weeks are who? Peterman and Gabbert?

This year’s crop is better in general.


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