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Prison Bitch 11-05-2018 08:13 PM

Best team in Chiefs history?
 
Simple Rating System (SRS) is a calculation determining how good a team is, using (1) margin of victory and (2) strength of schedule. A margin of 5/game with an SOS of -0.5 results in an SRS of 4.5.


The Chiefs right now hold the #1 SRS and it's not even close: 12.3, Rams 9.5, Saints 8.3, Pitt 7.5. Chiefs have finished with the #1 SRS in their Leafue only ONE TIME in 59 years. When was it?


(Note: 1969-1969 we had 10 AFL teams, 1970-1995 about 26 post merger, and 1995-on 32 teams)

Flying High D 11-05-2018 08:24 PM

‘69 team hoisted the Lombardi.

Best22 11-05-2018 08:25 PM

1993ROFL

FlaChief58 11-05-2018 08:26 PM

69 team until further notice

MatriculatingHank 11-05-2018 08:39 PM

Hank Stram always said the '71 team was better than the '69 team.
Just didn't come through on Christmas day...:(

TribalElder 11-05-2018 08:41 PM

this year

Prison Bitch 11-05-2018 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 13872378)
this year

It may well be. We are playing about an avg SOS so we are almost 2 TD better than the avg team. That's insane.


Our sole League best team was only 8.4 SRS. (We had a couple other teams higher than that but none who were best in the League)

wazu 11-05-2018 09:04 PM

2018

Rain Man 11-05-2018 09:07 PM

The 1969 team was a wild card team if I remember right.

I'm going 1966. They were the top team in the AFL that year.

Prison Bitch 11-05-2018 09:11 PM

The answer:


Nickhead 11-05-2018 09:50 PM

i want to know what len dawson thinks of this years team, that's what i wanna know :thumb:

ChiefsCountry 11-05-2018 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13872447)
The 1969 team was a wild card team if I remember right.

I'm going 1966. They were the top team in the AFL that year.

1969 team was Wild Card because Stram sat Dawson in the regular season finale against Oakland to keep him healthy for the playoffs.

TribalElder 11-05-2018 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickhead (Post 13872621)
i want to know what len dawson thinks of this years team, that's what i wanna know :thumb:

I'm sure we will get to hear it when they are interviewing the **** out of him next week after his single season TD record goes down

carcosa 11-05-2018 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13872434)
2018

Yes!!!!

KChiefs1 11-05-2018 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13872305)
Simple Rating System (SRS) is a calculation determining how good a team is, using (1) margin of victory and (2) strength of schedule. A margin of 5/game with an SOS of -0.5 results in an SRS of 4.5.





The Chiefs right now hold the #1 SRS and it's not even close: 12.3, Rams 9.5, Saints 8.3, Pitt 7.5. Chiefs have finished with the #1 SRS in their Leafue only ONE TIME in 59 years. When was it?





(Note: 1969-1969 we had 10 AFL teams, 1970-1995 about 26 post merger, and 1995-on 32 teams)



Has to be one if these...

1966
1968
1969
1971
1993
1997
2003

Rasputin 11-05-2018 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 13872434)
2018

This

cdcox 11-05-2018 11:52 PM

2018 will reveal itself in time. For now I'd make the case for the 1971 team.

Prison Bitch 11-05-2018 11:52 PM

If we beat Rams in 2 weeks, it'll prob seal us as the top SRS for the year. Sagarin had us at about 1 TD better than the avg team, so he's much lower, but still we should do something we almost never do if we win that one

RunKC 11-05-2018 11:56 PM

1969

Win another Super Bowl and then we’ll talk.

Hammock Parties 11-06-2018 02:18 AM

Literally nobody voted for the correct answer. LMAO

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-06-2018 03:18 AM

I'm not down with the criteria on this one.

milkshock 11-06-2018 03:57 AM

got a soft spot for 97. had we beaten Denver as we should have, i think we go all the way.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-06-2018 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 13872849)
got a soft spot for 97. had we beaten Denver as we should have, i think we go all the way.

Yep. Now, that's assuming that we kept Gannon in as QB for the remainder of the season. Chiefs had already beaten Pittsburgh and there's no doubt that we would destroy Green Bay. Our defense would have killed them. In fact, that defense was so special, I would take one half of its talent and total production and trade every f****** player we currently have on defense to get that kind of production today.

srvy 11-06-2018 07:34 AM

1971

How could that team not be listed.

htismaqe 11-06-2018 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13872907)
1971

How could that team not be listed.

Because the OP is looking at SRS values.

That being said, it appears to me that the 1968 team is the correct answer.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../kan/index.htm

htismaqe 11-06-2018 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13872468)

According to PFR's SRS system, that year is actually NINTH.

RaidersOftheCellar 11-06-2018 07:45 AM

97 should have won the SB. Probably would have if Gannon remained the starter.

htismaqe 11-06-2018 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 13872919)
97 should have won the SB. Probably would have if Gannon remained the starter.

Nope. The idea that Gannon was better than Grbac was a myth. The defense carried that team anyway, regardless of who played QB.

RaidersOftheCellar 11-06-2018 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13872920)
Nope. The idea that Gannon was better than Grbac was a myth. The defense carried that team anyway, regardless of who played QB.

How was he not better? Grbac may have had better stats, but Gannon moved the ball way more effectively.

htismaqe 11-06-2018 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 13872926)
How was he not better? Grbac may have had better stats, but Gannon moved the ball way more effectively.

They were nearly identical in every category. The team simply wasn't any different with either guy.

milkshock 11-06-2018 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 13872926)
How was he not better? Grbac may have had better stats, but Gannon moved the ball way more effectively.

until the final shitshow final drive where he completed like 3 2-yard passes in a row, Grbac actually performed pretty well in the loss to Denver.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-06-2018 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13872920)
Nope. The idea that Gannon was better than Grbac was a myth. The defense carried that team anyway, regardless of who played QB.


WRONG-WRONG-WRONG-WRONG-WRONG-WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNG.


I don't give a **** about stats in this case. Grbac was ****ing ASS that year and when Rich took over, the ride began. And what a ****ing ride it was. Rich had mojo and more importantly, he had that team believing that they could take ANYONE who dared cross their path.
That defense, Gannon, and Marcus Allen were a ****ing MACHINE.

Prison Bitch 11-06-2018 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13872915)
According to PFR's SRS system, that year is actually NINTH.

I already stated 2003 was the year we were best in the NFL.

lcarus 11-06-2018 09:45 AM

Guess it would be the 68 or 69 Chiefs?

MahiMike 11-06-2018 09:54 AM

Such a different era than when we won the Superbowl. Twice the number of teams and the game has gotten much more complex. The chiefs just happened to be one of the first teams to be good back then. We were lucky to have good timing.

This team would beat that one like a drum.

htismaqe 11-06-2018 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13873057)
WRONG-WRONG-WRONG-WRONG-WRONG-WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNG.


I don't give a **** about stats in this case. Grbac was ****ing ASS that year and when Rich took over, the ride began. And what a ****ing ride it was. Rich had mojo and more importantly, he had that team believing that they could take ANYONE who dared cross their path.
That defense, Gannon, and Marcus Allen were a ****ing MACHINE.

Except the "ride" never happened. They were the SAME team with Grbac that they were with Gannon. Anybody that actually watched the games and wasn't suffering from "anybody but Grbac" syndrome could see it.

htismaqe 11-06-2018 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13873076)
I already stated 2003 was the year we were best in the NFL.

I'm confused.

The thread title says "best team in Chiefs history" and your post says "the answer".

Is it team history or NFL history or what?

Because the best SRS in team history was 1968.

htismaqe 11-06-2018 10:00 AM

Oh I see it now. The thread title and the body of the post don't match. Bait and switch! :D

In all seriousness, you accidentally asked two questions.

Best team in Chiefs history, according to SRS, is 1968.

Only time the Chiefs led the league in SRS? 2003.

srvy 11-06-2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13873105)
Such a different era than when we won the Superbowl. Twice the number of teams and the game has gotten much more complex. The chiefs just happened to be one of the first teams to be good back then. We were lucky to have good timing.

This team would beat that one like a drum.

Maybe but if the the 69 or 70 chiefs had the same training diet coaching etc as players today who knows. Vice versa bring todays kid back to that time. This is why you cant compare but as far as mental toughness the teams of old blows them away.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-06-2018 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13873108)
Except the "ride" never happened. They were the SAME team with Grbac that they were with Gannon. Anybody that actually watched the games and wasn't suffering from "anybody but Grbac" syndrome could see it.


Were you in a coma that season?

htismaqe 11-06-2018 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13873138)
Were you in a coma that season?

Nope, I actually attended two games, one with Grbac and one with Gannon. But let's just leave this alone anyway, this argument destroyed the KC Star board in 1999/2000. :D

htismaqe 11-06-2018 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13873125)
Maybe but if the the 69 or 70 chiefs had the same training diet coaching etc as players today who knows. Vice versa bring todays kid back to that time. This is why you cant compare but as far as mental toughness the teams of old blows them away.

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Prison Bitch 11-06-2018 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13873112)
I'm confused.

The thread title says "best team in Chiefs history" and your post says "the answer".

Is it team history or NFL history or what?

Because the best SRS in team history was 1968.

Yeah, you don't get it.

Best team = best team in the sport. It was harder to rack up a high SRS number in a league with more parity, so it's harder to be 2003 KC than 1969 KC.

htismaqe 11-06-2018 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13873161)
Yeah, you don't get it.

Best team = best team in the sport. It was harder to rack up a high SRS number in a league with more parity, so it's harder to be 2003 KC than 1969 KC.

2093? Is Mahomes still playing? ;)

And yes, I admitted fully that I was mislead by the incongruence between your thread title and the body of your post.

Seriously though, I totally misunderstood the purpose of your post. Your explanation clears it up. Thanks.

oldman 11-06-2018 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatriculatingHank (Post 13872376)
Hank Stram always said the '71 team was better than the '69 team.
Just didn't come through on Christmas day...:(

Don't remind me.

oldman 11-06-2018 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 13872634)
I'm sure we will get to hear it when they are interviewing the **** out of him next week after his single season TD record goes down

Lenny the Cool will be OK with it, he's a genuine good guy and a realist. George Brett may have a different view when one of his records falls, however. :)

R Clark 11-06-2018 10:26 AM

I never cared for Gannon even less now . I went to ever game that season and the playoff game against Denver , no way was grbac the better QB . Hell he left here and went to the ravens and quit on them, that was the type of guy he was .Gannon would have taken us all the way that year, Gannon was way stronger mentally than grbac

ChiefsCountry 11-06-2018 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13872920)
Nope. The idea that Gannon was better than Grbac was a myth. The defense carried that team anyway, regardless of who played QB.

You are going to be fighting too much captain hindsight on this one. I agree with you and have fought the Grbac/Gannon myth around here for years.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-06-2018 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13873152)
Nope, I actually attended two games, one with Grbac and one with Gannon. But let's just leave this alone anyway, this argument destroyed the KC Star board in 1999/2000. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Clark (Post 13873198)
I never cared for Gannon even less now . I went to ever game that season and the playoff game against Denver , no way was grbac the better QB . Hell he left here and went to the ravens and quit on them, that was the type of guy he was .Gannon would have taken us all the way that year, Gannon was way stronger mentally than grbac


Thank you, good sir!

htismaqe 11-06-2018 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Clark (Post 13873198)
I never cared for Gannon even less now . I went to ever game that season and the playoff game against Denver , no way was grbac the better QB . Hell he left here and went to the ravens and quit on them, that was the type of guy he was .Gannon would have taken us all the way that year, Gannon was way stronger mentally than grbac

Just to be clear, I never said Grbac was better.

I said it didn't matter who the QB was on that team. And that's true to this day.

RippedmyFlesh 11-06-2018 11:03 AM

03 better than SBIV winner? Don't think so.
qb
HOF vs above average
oline
03 bestest in history!!!
TE
03 Gonzo may have been best player on team
A TE is your best player
WR
Otis Taylor
Defense
lol
K
push
Punter
69 wilson
Ret game
03
The best oline led to zero SBs.

PS
RB 03

Strams chiefs could win anytime they took the field and I felt they would. I hate to admit this but I think 03 was a bit smoke and mirrors. Strams chiefs physically dominated AND outschemed teams

MahiMike 11-06-2018 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13873125)
Maybe but if the the 69 or 70 chiefs had the same training diet coaching etc as players today who knows. Vice versa bring todays kid back to that time. This is why you cant compare but as far as mental toughness the teams of old blows them away.

Forgot to mention that those old teams were also half the size and half as fast as what we have now. Athletes in general are better in every sport. Mostly because of the $$$.

RippedmyFlesh 11-06-2018 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 13873295)
Forgot to mention that those old teams were also half the size and half as fast as what we have now. Athletes in general are better in every sport. Mostly because of the $$$.

Which means to compare you have to see how a team was in relation to its peers not compared across eras. And sos may be a good stat but not end all. More teams = more bad teams.

RippedmyFlesh 11-06-2018 11:22 AM

2018>>>2003

Dartgod 11-06-2018 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13873152)
Nope, I actually attended two games, one with Grbac and one with Gannon. But let's just leave this alone anyway, this argument destroyed the KC Star board in 1999/2000. :D

Were you a Grbacker or a Grbasher? :Poke: :D

Spott 11-06-2018 01:14 PM

Other than this year, maybe 1995 or 1997.

srvy 11-06-2018 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13873155)

So lenny smoked then along with just about everyone else then.

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RippedmyFlesh 11-06-2018 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13873573)
So lenny smoked then along with just about everyone else then.

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My DR smoked while examining me back then.


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