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DaFace 11-19-2018 11:21 PM

Score immediately vs. run clock
 
I don't think this is egregious clock management, but...

1st and goal on the 10 yard line. Down by 3 (44-47). 2:50 on the clock. Chiefs have 3 timeouts. Rams have none.

Am I crazy to think we should have run Kareem a couple times there? I know the Rams scored in 45 seconds on the next drive, but it sure feels like that would have put a lot of pressure on them to score, and I'm pretty confident we could have gotten in for the TD even if we just ran it 4 times.

Discus.

petegz28 11-19-2018 11:24 PM

You can't assume you will get the TD. I know it always sounds good but when you are trailing you score and expect your defense to hold a team out of the end zone for one drive.

Red Dawg 11-19-2018 11:24 PM

We should have. Thats twice now we screwed ourselves leaving time on the clock. Does Andy see our defense. They stink so bad you cant expect them to stop anyone with the game on the line.

mr. tegu 11-19-2018 11:25 PM

Score immediately vs. run clock
 
They definitely should have ran it a few times. Ironically, even when giving us a hit to the helmet call on Harris the refs found a way to screw us. That shouldn’t have been a penalty. If that doesn’t happen it’s 2nd and 6 and we can run some clock and get the first down without scoring.

Rasputin 11-19-2018 11:26 PM

We scored too soon


If we are so good on offense then we dictate the tempo of the game that's how you "manage" a game winning drive.

Why Not? 11-19-2018 11:26 PM

Nope. We got the ball back twice with opportunities to win or tie. That's exactly the position we realistically could have hoped to be in. The offense spit the bit. Just not quite good enough to win these types of games I guess, considering we've played in two and lost them both by the same margin

ThaVirus 11-19-2018 11:26 PM

I like being aggressive and going for the TD.

We've lost two big games by not bleeding clock, so I suppose we should look into it.

Law of averages says the defense should be able to come up with a stop once in a while, but I don't trust this secondary against the elite QB we're likely to face in the postseason.

Pants 11-19-2018 11:28 PM

If anyone scored too fast, it was the Rams, IMO. We had that ball with 1:49 left on the clock and all 3 timeouts in the pocket. I felt very confident. I actually thought to myself that, for once, the other team "scored too fast."

Too bad we couldn't take advantage of it.

Sucks that Mahomes' arm got hit on that Peters INT.

Chiefs4TheWin 11-19-2018 11:28 PM

I mean in an ideal world your defense should be able to stop someone. In our case that's just not true.

None the less you score when you score. too many things can go wrong in subsequent plays.

I do admit I was glad the rams scored quick on us though.

Rasputin 11-19-2018 11:31 PM

first team NFL history to lose after scoring 50 points



Because Chiefs

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 11-19-2018 11:32 PM

The time to run clock was before the 1st and Goal. Unfortunately Robinson going out of bounds and the penalty ended up hurting us. There was too much time once it was 1st and Goal.... wouldn't have been able to run much more off (needed 2 plays just to get to the 2-minute warning). At that point you have to give yourself the best chance to score a TD.

TinyEvel 11-19-2018 11:32 PM

I think with Hunt and rams pass rush giving us trouble we should have run it a bunch there. Especially once we got to mid field.
Nuts game tho. You could remove one of a dozen plays and the final score is flipped.

chiefzilla1501 11-19-2018 11:32 PM

Have no issue whatsoever going for touchdowns. They don't fall from trees. Weve had too many Alex Smith games where we settled for safe scores instead of going for the throat. If our defense can't hold serve on a 4 pt lead that's on them.

carcosa 11-19-2018 11:32 PM

Really wanted to at least run it a couple times there, but ya can't really complain about a TD.

TribalElder 11-19-2018 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13905105)
I don't think this is egregious clock management, but...

1st and goal on the 10 yard line. Down by 3 (44-47). 2:50 on the clock. Chiefs have 3 timeouts. Rams have none.

Am I crazy to think we should have run Kareem a couple times there? I know the Rams scored in 45 seconds on the next drive, but it sure feels like that would have put a lot of pressure on them to score, and I'm pretty confident we could have gotten in for the TD even if we just ran it 4 times.

Discus.

you run hunt kill the clock score a TD

one thing that hosed us was when the refs threw a flag and made it where we got 1st and goal. if we could have gotten a first down and run it a few times we could have ran it off then scored.

TribalElder 11-19-2018 11:34 PM

The new nfl is offense only now

you have to be the last team to score

tonight we had that chance but threw a pick or two however, I thought the exact same thing during the patriot game and caught a lot of shit for it.

clock management now you have to run it off and then score leaving nothing. Especially in the playoffs

Pasta Little Brioni 11-19-2018 11:35 PM

You score when you can. Dumb****s were mad about the bomb to Reek in NE. WE HAD TWO POSSESSIONS ourselves after LA scored...

Buehler445 11-19-2018 11:39 PM

I can't believe Chiefs fans of all people are suggesting you don't take what you can get.

oldman 11-19-2018 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinyEvel (Post 13905200)
I think with Hunt and rams pass rush giving us trouble we should have run it a bunch there. Especially once we got to mid field.
Nuts game tho. You could remove one of a dozen plays and the final score is flipped.

I agree. We had plenty of time to run the ball and milk the clock.

Iowanian 11-19-2018 11:43 PM

It's hard to score in the NFL even if Mahomes makes it look easy. Just score when you can answer hope your defense remembers they are professionals too.

cabletech94 11-19-2018 11:44 PM

if scandrick holds on to that int, this post never was......

Kyle DeLexus 11-19-2018 11:44 PM

I'd like to see a run or two in that situation. If you punch it in, on the first run take the points and be happy. If you don't get the TD, run the clock down to keep your opponent from having so much clock when you do put it in.

Rain Man 11-19-2018 11:54 PM

I think it's too easy to overthink these situations. You have to score. You can't waste two plays and assume you'll score on the third. Try everything you can to score. If your defense can't protect a lead, then that's too bad.

ChiTown 11-19-2018 11:55 PM

This isn’t sewing - it’s not that precise. If you can score, you score. Just have to be able to make more stops and get a ****ING INT when it’s in your hands!

TwistedChief 11-20-2018 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13905146)
If anyone scored too fast, it was the Rams, IMO. We had that ball with 1:49 left on the clock and all 3 timeouts in the pocket. I felt very confident. I actually thought to myself that, for once, the other team "scored too fast."

This.

Ribbs67 11-20-2018 04:34 AM

BS ..this is soley on Reid and mismanaging the clock again!! You run Hunt 2-3 times in that drive and spin the clock when we were on the 10 yd line!!! We we're already in field goal range down by 3! That should have been game right there! That saves Mahomes from 2 ints to make up for Andy's mistakes. Andy cost us that game last night plain and simple. He loves his new toy in Mahomes, and can't help but have him sling it around. He learned nothing from the New England game scoring to quickly and trusting our Defense!. I love Scandrick ..being a Bronco here in Idaho, but man you gotta come up with that interception bro!!

kccrow 11-20-2018 06:19 AM

Score and then learn how to play mother****ing defense.

chiefzilla1501 11-20-2018 06:42 AM

We've gotten spoiled by how good Mahomes is. Just because he scored at will doesn't mean we should expect him to dink and dunk his way to TDs.

A TD put us up by 4... it's not like it put us up by a field goal. Of course you go for the TD there.

HemiEd 11-20-2018 06:46 AM

****ing circus offense/Hermedwards

Eleazar 11-20-2018 06:48 AM

You score as soon as you can score, don't leave it to chance.*



*This strategy only works if you have a defense

Ribbs67 11-20-2018 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13905894)
You score as soon as you can score, don't leave it to chance.*



*This strategy only works if you have a defense

You guys are stuck on the Alex Smith era.. Mahomes is a Thoughbred. Everyone knows a race horse will run itself into the ground if you continue to push it. Andy's job is to know when to pull in the reins a little. We we're scoring like a knife through butter as were the Rams. Andy had the chance to make sure we had the ball last on the 10 freaking yard line. With the win or at least a tie!. You run that damn clock down to almost nothing..It's coaching 101!

hometeam 11-20-2018 07:47 AM

You have to score if you can. Period.

kcpasco 11-20-2018 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ribbs67 (Post 13905954)
You guys are stuck on the Alex Smith era.. Mahomes is a Thoughbred. Everyone knows a race horse will run itself into the ground if you continue to push it. Andy's job is to know when to pull in the reins a little. We we're scoring like a knife through butter as were the Rams. Andy had the chance to make sure we had the ball last on the 10 freaking yard line. With the win or at least a tie!. You run that damn clock down to almost nothing..It's coaching 101!

Andy will never learn clock management. It’s always been his crutch, just gotta hope Pat is good enough to drag him to the finish line.

Shaid 11-20-2018 08:13 AM

So, once we were on the 10 it's a different situation and you really only have 3 tries to get that TD. I felt we should have been a bit more methodical when we got to around the 50 so we could ensure some clock got wasted. I actually told my wife when they called that penalty against the Rams that put us on the 10 that the penalty actually hurt us. Stopped the clock and put us to where we had 3 shots to score and that was it. If they don't call it, we can call a couple plays, waste more clock, and put the Rams backs against the wall a bit more. So I view it as situational. Should have wasted more clock earlier in the drive. Once you are on the 10, you kind of need to ensure you get a score.

dj56dt58 11-20-2018 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 13905126)
They definitely should have ran it a few times. Ironically, even when giving us a hit to the helmet call on Harris the refs found a way to screw us. That shouldn’t have been a penalty. If that doesn’t happen it’s 2nd and 6 and we can run some clock and get the first down without scoring.

They knew what they were doing..that's why they are the all star crew

smithandrew051 11-20-2018 08:27 AM

I don’t get why anyone would criticize the clock management in this one.

We ended up with 2 minutes, 3 timeouts, and the ball with a chance to win the game or go to OT.

That’s about perfect.

siberian khatru 11-20-2018 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaid (Post 13906006)
So, once we were on the 10 it's a different situation and you really only have 3 tries to get that TD. I felt we should have been a bit more methodical when we got to around the 50 so we could ensure some clock got wasted. I actually told my wife when they called that penalty against the Rams that put us on the 10 that the penalty actually hurt us. Stopped the clock and put us to where we had 3 shots to score and that was it. If they don't call it, we can call a couple plays, waste more clock, and put the Rams backs against the wall a bit more. So I view it as situational. Should have wasted more clock earlier in the drive. Once you are on the 10, you kind of need to ensure you get a score.

Bingo.

petegz28 11-20-2018 08:47 AM

bunk argument based on hindsight and assumption.

A) You are assuming you will score a TD
B) You are assuming a FG to tie at the least

What you don't factor in..

A) One penalty for holding ****s it all up
B) A high powered offense needs only a FG to win if you don't get the TD

The best bet is score the TD and go up by 4. Make the offense drive the field with 0 TO's and expect your defense to play defense and defend 75 yards for one drive.

If our D couldn't stop them in a 40 secs or so from going 75 yards, WTF do you think we would keep them from scoring a FG if we didn't get the TD?

Ribbs67 11-20-2018 08:48 AM

I feel like when you have the chance you shorten the game up when opurtunity presents itself. Our last scoring drive was the perfect opportunity to do so. Only 3 more runs anywhere in that series by Hunt to spin the clock..and we win that game. Or at least force OT. Trust me I'm the first in the nervous Nancy line saying we have to score..but I could see us scoring too quickly a mile away. Screaming mix in a run or 2. I just didn't get the reasoning behind it. We scored on 1-10 if I remember right. Like a poster posted before..if we run it and score then be it..but I feel we rushed it too much considering the Rams didn't have any time outs left.

11Chiefs 11-20-2018 08:48 AM

I'd rather score. Don't let Andy try controlling the clock :facepalm:. Score quick, score often :clap:.

bobbything 11-20-2018 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 13905130)
Nope. We got the ball back twice with opportunities to win or tie. That's exactly the position we realistically could have hoped to be in. The offense spit the bit. Just not quite good enough to win these types of games I guess, considering we've played in two and lost them both by the same margin

The _efense wasn’t good (hell, they gave up a TD in one minute shortly thereafter) but we did get the ball back with 1:44 and three timeouts. Mahomes tossed a pick. It’s not like we didn’t have a chance.

Ribbs67 11-20-2018 08:54 AM

Our Defense needs to learn how to make the stop we need when we need it .. Scandrick needs to make that interception..and Mahomes needs to take care of the ball better...but anything after our last scoring possession to me is on the coaching staff because it never should have gone that far

KChiefs1 11-20-2018 08:58 AM

Score immediately vs. run clock
 
Michael Lombardi made a great point on the Border Patrol today.

You got to play it like basketball now. The clock has to be seen by how many plays you give the other team. You burn 40 seconds off the clock, that's 5 plays you aren't giving the Rams. Don't run of bounds when there's no need to.



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siberian khatru 11-20-2018 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13906097)
Michael Lombardi made a great point on the Border Patrol today.

You got to play it like basketball now. The clock has to be seen by how many plays you give the other team. You burn 40 seconds FG the block that's 5 plays you aren't giving the Rams. Don't run of bounds when there's no need to.



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Man, I typed that under my Bingo response and then deleted it. I thought that was a great way to frame it.


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