Hypothetical Part 1: Equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes II.
 

Okay, we're not trading our franchise quarterback. Let's make that clear.

But if other teams were making us good-faith trade offers, what would be a fair offer? I've done the following to make some estimated trade packages, using the following algorithms.

I went to the NFL Network Top 100 players of last year. Recognizing that it includes some old declining players and at least one player who can't walk very well, and recognizing that Patrick Mahomes II is a young franchise quarterback, I'm assuming that Patrick Mahomes II is worth more than any player on the list, and generally worth much more.

If a team had three players on the list, I packaged those three players into an offer.

If a team had two players on the list, I added their 1st round pick from 2018.

If a team had one or zero players on the list, I packaged future 1st round picks so that the Chiefs would get three players in total.

If a team had more than three players on the list, I put together packages that added players in different scenarios until all of their players were included in a package.

By doing this, I came up with 60 total trade offers. I'll put them up in groups of 10, and your job is to assess whether or not it would be an equal or greater value than our own Patrick Mahomes II.

Important rule: Don't consider this poll as indicating that you would ACCEPT such a trade offer. Because trading Patrick Mahomes II would be insane. Just tell us whether you think those players would add equivalent value to the franchise.

Here are your first ten scenarios.

thank you

Where is the “All of the above” option, Rain Man?

We already have multiple skill position play makers.

Rams one is the only one that I’d even consider because of Donald. Think Goff would be fine with Andy.

I've devised a system where you can check each box individually to signify your opinions.

Rams is obviously a yes. Young top 10 QB in Goff, top 3 RB in Gurley, top 3 defensive player in Aaron Donald.

Others are meh, i wouldn't trade Mahomes for 3 defensive players in general. I guess the #2 and #3 are Eagles and Falcons.

I wouldn't do it for Brady or Brees or the like because 15 years of Mahomes is more valuable than a few years of them.

Yeah, I'm on the fence on that one. I'd hate the big downgrade at QB, but the other two players are pretty good.

There are better players in the NFL than Mahomes.

But none of them are worth enough to make that trade

Mahomes is untradeable

Mahomes will probably be top 5 on the top 100 list in his first season. Pretty damn incredible.

He’s good but he’s not Mahomes.

Mahomes isn’t just a “good/great quarterback.”

He’s Mahomes. Just Priceless

The only one that wouldn't make me renounce my fandom would be the Rams.

I COULD consider the Rams deal but not really because you only gain Donald and you give up a little on the back end in my opinion with Goff.

We have Hunt so Gurley isnt a must have.

Jones isnt Donald but he isnt a huge downgrade and my be Donald before its over.

Yeah, that thought occurred to me as I was scouring the list. I could see Brees being higher this year, and maybe (sigh) Aaron Donald and (sly smile) Tyreek Hill. But I'm not sure who else would rank above him. I think Brady is clearly declining, and the rest of the top ten last year were Antonio Brown (whatever), Deandre Hopkins (maybe a contender), Julio Jones (same as Hopkins), Le'v'e'on Bell (quitter), Todd Gurley (not seeing it), Murderin' Von (quitter), and Aaron Rodgers (good, but not Mahomes good).

I would predict that Patrick will be in the #3 spot, and Tyreek will be around #6 and should be higher.

I wouldn't even take the Rams deal. Why would we take that cap hit? 150M+ left on Donald and Gurley contracts alone.

None, I wouldn't trade him for a full squad of superstars. Let me have my moment in the sun without the Deberg hypotheticals. If Mahomes decides to quit football at the end of the year and play baseball feel free to bump my post back up, I still wouldn't eat these words.

I would at least entertain the Gurley+Donald +Goff offer. That’s fair value

Mahomes > 5 1st round picks.

Probably more TBH.

The kid is the exact commodity that every NFL franchise desperately seeks. A clear superstar QB who is just 23 years old and checks every possible box. You can’t put a price on it really, it’s once a decade type of talent.

This.

Rams is the only one I'd even consider. The rest can GTFO

I meant we would need all of those players included in a trade for Mahomes.

Ah. Okay. In some of the threads to follow, a few of these team will be upping the ante if that helps. But overall, I agree with you.

Rams deal is amazing value bit I wouldn’t do it

Having goff wouldn’t be the same as having mahomes, as good as goff is

The Rams deal is the best, but it honestly doesn't make us a better team. The dropoff in QB play is the dealbreaker.

Ram only for Donald and goff. Gurley good but he not kareem. He's not known as a receiver option.

Trade Gurley for something else

Lol at the Rams trade idea

I hope no other fan base sees that and posts it on their boards for laughter

ROFL


This has to be a troll thread that I'm not getting the inside joke

Gotta be some kind of Stockholm Syndrome, I just don't get it. We finally draft our own QB and possibly the greatest of alltime and we're talking about trading him away.

:lame:

The Rams is the only offer. And that’s because my offense would consist of Gurley and Huntnin the backfield at the same time with Hill and Watkins on the outside....and Kelce in the slot. Plus Donald with Jones and Nnadi would be awesome.

Still not doing it though.

sorry rainman, this poll is fail.

you forget that you still have to feed kelce, hill, hunt, watkins, etc...

and pay all of them too :thumb:

This. In the end I voted none, but considered the Rams.

after some thought.

the only real trade possible would be:

that teams qb, and draft picks to get the defense right. we already have a loaded offense as mentioned above. ROFL

Another way to ask this question is how many first round picks would it take to trade Patrick Mahomes?

I’m not sure there is an adequate number...

After all these years, no. Just no.

Mahomes is going to be a HoF QB. You don't trade a 23 yo Future HoF QB. Goff is going to put up very good numbers but he's no where near Mahomes.

Dude, he’s 23 years old. I wouldn’t trade for any if those

^^^^^^^ x2 billion

You could take the top package you've presented (Rams), add 2 top-15 1st round draft picks, including the #1 overall pick, and I still wouldn't trade Mahomes for them. That's the kind of once-in-a-generation talent I think Mahomes is.

The Rams deal sounds good although Gurley’s contract is a problem when the time comes to pay Goff.

IMHO the Gurley contract is a bigger issue. Gotta pay Tyreek and the QB at some point. Chiefs already have a Gurley-esque RB on a super cheap rookie contract.

The Rams offer is the only one I wouldn’t laugh loudly into the phone before hanging up. Instead I would say. “Thank you for your offer. It isn’t outrageous, but we are not interested at this time.”

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No.

The rams one would be it.

You’d get another young good qb that’s not as talented but is good, and the beat rb in the league, plus the defender that may end up an all timer

None of the above but here’s the thing. The injury possibility is the great wildcard. All value is lost with a serious injury. This risk is diluted by numbers. So x number of first round picks would spread the value, reduce the risk and thus make some sense.

QB is the most important position on the field. I just can’t give up superior QB play for a great Defensive lineman. Gurley is a better all around back but the impact is marginal.

Yeah, unless we’re literally trading Mahomes for a Lombardi or two, no, not happening

I'm not entirely convinced Gurley IS better.

He's featured more heavily in the offense and has better stats.

Gurley has the most yards before contact. Two weeks ago Kareem was #1 after contact. Not sure if he is now, but he was last year as well.

Actually he is.

It would legitimately have to be an entire draft that season, then multiple 1sts for several seasons afterward, plus their current starting QB.

Even that would nearly be inexcusable for the Chiefs to accept. You know going into it that their picks will be high since he will continue to slaughter. I think you can only do that if you have what appears to be an incredible talent coming up in the draft as well.

Man, he is actually an incredible receiving option. He has 40+ receptions this season at 10+ yards a reception. He has a 76.8% catch rate.

Kareem has fewer receptions, fewer yards, but more TDs, and a lower catch rate at 74.3%.

For our offense, I would call it a wash on which would be better, but Gurley seems to have the homerun speed that Hunt doesn't quite have.

Somebody should start a poll asking people the equivalent value for Patrick Mahomes I

Only one worth considering is the Rams offer & it’s pretty tasty.

The best RB in the NFL & the best defensive player in the NFL & a young talented QB.

Nope

Trading Mahomes for anything is automatically disgusting. There’s nothing “appealing” about trading #15