The Boy Scouts of America going Belly Up ?
 

Possible Chapter 11? I wonder Why?

As an Eagle Scout this makes me sad.


Lots of good memories in Scouts.

Lots of factors probably but mostly i think the interest in Boy Scouts isn't what it once was.

girls in Boy Scouts...ya that won't change anything.

They have had very pathetic leadership at the national level for years.

The biggest reason for the current situation is the loss of the LDS money.

Interest here is as strong as ever.

it’s just not in the consciousness of young boys anymore for whatever reason.

This is so sad. I think Boy Scouts was an important part of my upbringing with a lot of good memories.

Like shop classes in High School, Boy Scouts doesn't seem to be important to this generation anymore.:(

What is LDS money?

Sorry he got letter mixed up, Boy Scouts have been peddling “LSD” for years....

Scoutmasters scared them off...


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Death by Political Correctness

Latter Day Saints. They were a huge block of BSA, recent decisions have lead to LDS to start their own program.

Going to scout camp at Bartle are some of the best childhood memories. I hope they can figure it out. Maybe they should start selling cookies too.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. Back when I was in we had our meetings at a Mennonite church but they had no say and weren't involved.

Parents contributed and we raised money by selling crap. The Scout master made it his life and was always busting his butt to make it happen.

I hope there is a program available for these young boys going forward.

Also heard that Girl Scouts are suing the Boy Scouts for changing their name to Scouts.

They have never played nicely together in the sand box

Membership has been declining for 50 years.

The big blow was the loss of LDS which was @ 20-25% of membership.

The allowing girls to participate is a bit overblown by the media. The scouts have had programs that allow girls since the late 60's early 70's (venturing programs)

Kids these days would rather call everyone racist names over X-Box live and beat off to a woman sucking a horse's dick then join Boy Scouts.

It's run is over. If the Ringling Bros. circus can die out, so can the Scouts.

Kids nowadays are just not interested. On the baseball team I coached, no kids were in the Boy Scouts. Just a handful were in the Scouts at my sons school.

Massive amounts of money required to fend off constant lawsuits

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This is only for kids now?

Bad leadership that is vastly overpaid, the LDS (Mormons) doing their own thing, 10X as many things for boys to do now compared to 30 years ago... the girl thing is a poor move, but it’s not killing them. And, I’ll say a lack of quality dad involvement has led to the steady downfall.

This is sad. Survivalism, Patriotism, and Personal Ethics are not high on the list of social priorities at the moment.

In the most concentrated populations, what many consider to be Traditional Culture died long ago. Scouts have been mostly dead in urban areas for a long time. So far as I know, there's no merit badge for gang-banging, cutting meth, facial tattoos, and baby-daddying. Rather than helping an old lady across a street, shanking the bitch offers more immediate gratification.

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That might be a bit over the top :D

If I look at what my boys have the ability to do through school and sports compared to what I did in the 80s, it's totally different. The focus and sadly, where we put some of our focus is off balance.

My oldest has been sitting on his EAGLE project for about a year, he's got 12 months to finish it before he ages out. Between school, football, basketball, work in the summer... girlfriend and just wanting to be a teenager, there's little time for it. He'll get it done though.

I see a LOT of boys going through Cub Scouts and about 1/2 go to Boy Scouts. Moms are predominantly more involved in Cub Scouts and then when it's the big transition, most bail. Unfortunately, the lack of dad involvement weighs big here. I know I have not been as active as I should or could have - we (I) let things get in the way that in the long run, don't matter and I'll regret it later.

It's a mix of things, but the girl involvement... so far, it's been a non-factor.

Maybe a bit ...

EDIT: I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge the fact that I'm glad and impressed that you're involved with your sons Mr. Mile High Mania ... to whatever extent you can be ... even a little time can result in a lot of positive outcomes. IMO, parents should be involved with their kids as much as possible. Grandparents, too. When you boil it all down, that's clearly the most meaningful job parents have.

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Video games

Totally agree... and regarding grandparents. So, we lost my father-in-law last month and of all my kids, it hit my oldest the most. Over the last 3 years, the two of them really bonded over a lot of the MBs (leathering, metal work, etc). And, there are several grandpas that participate with this troop - attend campouts, etc. I'll say that the grandpas are the guys that my son loves hanging out with the most.

And, it's because they actually take the time to teach the boys something and there's just a great bonding that happens between boys 15-18 and grandpas.

I think troops should do more to partner up with local seniors and really share experiences, it's cool.

Yeah. Sad thing, end of an era, and something kids could sorely use today.

As MHM said, lack of quality and present dads are part of the problem and something scouting could help with, but the current culture just devoured the organization.

Sad what Gen X has done here.

Isn't chapter 11 reorganizing and 7 is folding and completely shutting down?

I would expect chapter 7 from the GSA as they have had a huge flight of girls over to the BSA. Girls want to do all the cool things the boys have been doing for years and the boys just want to stay home ans play video games.

Exactly the case.

For what it’s worth Scouts is doing fine at the grass roots level in KC as far as I can tell. I see the national stories making it sound like the sky is falling but the troop my sons are in does fine. Every campout we attend there are other troops in the area. Big events like Scouting 500 bring out massive crowds still. Boys are still earning Eagle Scout. Life goes on.

Just pointing this out because these national stories and the online discussions I see often paint a doom and gloom picture that doesn’t reflect the reality that my boys and I are experiencing.

Bingo.

I just watched one of my students (Age 14 - Holy ****, right) get sworn in as an Eagle Scout on Monday. The saddest part was how empty the ceremony was.

Kids would LOVE to get involved with things like this today. Hell, I work with them every day. On our adventure days, we can barely find enough adults to serve as proctors for the outdoor activities.

But - the kids aren't the ones making the choices here - it's the parents. This decline started well before the "millennials."

It's usually not a good idea to draw universal conclusions from individual experience, but I can say this with confidence; the most impressive kids (I've personally known well) grew up around and had meaningful relationships with their grandparents. There's probably a lot of reasons why their influence can have such a positive impact on young people.

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We all know why this happened.

Any number of reasons - (1) getting involved in Politics and (2) Boys are no longer interested (for the most part) the outdoors.

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I bet there are some turds in Scout leadership who wanna give that a try next.

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How out of touch.

if the op had bothered posting a link you guys would know that they are filing for bankruptcy because they have been successfully sued so many times for having pedophile scout leaders.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boy-sco...ts-11544649657.

Goddamn politically correct snowflake illegal immigrant c-u-c-k-s strike again!
Can't even sodomize little boys in this country any more without having your name dragged through the mud.

Ah - thank you for the clarification.

Boyscouts was lame anyway. Always confiscating our beer and weed...

Never joined the scouts but I once ate a brownie.

Yep. SJW ****s that can't stand the reality that some things are just for boys and some things are just for girls and that it is perfectly okay for it to be that way.

It is still strong here in KC. A lot of other areas struggle though.

I never joined scouts either. Thought it was really lame. Of course I spent most of my childhood at the lake or camping/fishing/hunting, so I got to enjoy all that without any creepy pornstached troop leader all up in my business.

you underestimate how lazy/stupid CP Poster actually is.

I think it definitely depends on the troop... size and quality of leaders. My son is part of a troop that has ranged from 60-100 active Scouts over the last 4 years. Things look good locally with them as well, but I see a lot of other Troops struggling. And, that could be part of it - some troops may need to combine and leverage pooled resources, changing the way they do the business of Scouting.

They thought letting girls in would stop this. I can't fault that strategy.

This. Letting homosexuals in, letting girls in, leaving the Christian ethos it was based upon, good riddance, and yes I was a Boy Scout back in the day....

yeah, where i grew up, it was the same as taking ballet classes! it just wasnt an option! i learned to fish/hunt/camp from my friends dad. He was into fishing big time. Outside of that, was just played sports almost every single day.

Is it that you can’t or won’t read?

That's (basically) meant. all this PC crap has nearly destroyed Scouting; damned shame. I was a Scout as well when I was a kid.

This! I know there are other factors, like more competitive sports for kids than in the past, travel clubs, etc. But, arguing to let girls into boy scouts probably turned many off. I know it would me if my kid were younger and interested.

Is the fact that they've been sued into oblivion mutually exclusive with what he said? Who is abusing the victims they are paying legal settlements to?

I enjoyed Scouting. I wouldn't give today's organization a penny.

We are a country with no moral compass.

I think much of it also has to do with the kids. Yeah, there are pedo's as some scout masters, and yeah, they talk about letting girls in, etc. But, the real reason I think is because of the kids themselves. When my uncle was a kid, if you were working towards your Eagle Scout, you were pretty damned cool. Now, if you are a scout kid, you are sort of a dork. Not my opinion by the way, but just how the teenagers talk today. The chicks dig the long ball, not the ability to tie a square knot. Sayin

Later Day Saints - Mormons.

They run their own troops.

There are also relevant time issues. If your'e an elite athlete, you're playing club soccer and/or club basketball year-round. Between practices and games, there's little time for much else outside of school.

(fortunately, the big clubs are sponsored and don't cost. Otherwise, that'd be a completely different issue).

There's a surprising amount of support for diddling little boys in this thread.

Fortnite streaming > Boy Scouts

I was in the Scouts but there was nothing really to do with yourself in the 70s. Today kids would rather hit progressions on a video game than earning and upgrading their badge collection. Or go outside.

No offense to gamers at all -- just like newspapers can't compete with the web I can see how the Scouts had trouble keeping kids who are used to dropping nukes on battlefields interested in learning how to start a campfire.

Having not read the thread and seeing this as the first comment before the one I left is a little sad... :(

I say it in jest, but it's just odd to me that people are longing for the "good old days" here.

They're not shutting down because of political correctness. They're not shutting down because of the homosexuals. They're not shutting down because of the girls. They're not really even shutting down because of declining interest.

They're shutting down because scout leaders kept molesting kids. Period.

I want to go on record that I'm not a diddler.

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It was a last ditch effort to get attention and boost enrollment.

Royal Rangers also has had complications at summer camps.

Laughably stupid comment there sport.

A minutely small percentage caused the lawsuits.

They are victims of shtbag people that abused a fine organization that did good for decades.

Yes but are you a fiddler?

You're right. It's clearly the fault of the girls and the gays.

Everything runs it’s course eventually. The Scouts has its day. Just doesn’t register with the majority of today’s youth.

Not saying that’s good or bad, it just is what it is.

Truly is. This nation is going to be a shithole in our lifetime. We’ll just be too old to do shit about it

If an organization can't learn how to get smaller as well as get larger, they're hosed.

Getting smaller doesn't fly with alum, though. So they die.

The BSA had it's heyday while americans were still largely composed of "joiners".

Elk's club, PTA, City Council, Church groups, Masons, Fraternities/Sororities, etc. There was a steady stream of people who not only wanted "in", but ever after a steady stream of volunteers and "leadership" reveling in the good ol days and the traditions and pomp and the all the moral aspects woven in.

We're no longer a "joiner" society.

So all those organizations, plus any that were just riding the coattails of the joiner wave are having trouble. This goes for so many club-type of orgs. Everything from model railroading clubs to old tool collecting orgs.

They're for the most part getting older, not replenishing the membership, and largely baffled.

To be fair, they are often equally baffled by google groups, web pages, GroupMe conversations, and so much more.

They come to the fork where they change their ways, or just ride it to the end.

Old guys aren't fond of changing their ways, so it's a case by case basis as to what they do. They are SO unfond of changing their ways, that the thought of not being able to continue bothers them LESS than the hassle of doing things differently.

Hardly any of the youth want to "work their way to the top" of those orgs, and nobody dreams of being president of it. Meanwhile current leadership often has a "already paid my dues, someone else needs to step up" mentality, but they want it done the old way.

The younger guys are not loyal to brands and orgs, but causes and people, so they're just as soon start their own group (or 12) rather than battle it out with old guys who won't use their phones.

Interesting times, these.

Makes sense to me.

I didn't join scouts, despite creepy recruiting, because I thought the organizers were gay. Grown men who lived in town getting way too excited about taking a bunch of little boys out in the woods to camp and roast hot dogs was next level NOPE for me. My parents completely understood. 30 years later and it's local public knowledge that my "red flags" were well earned.

Similar situation... I didn't wrestle, despite hard core recruiting, because I thought the organizers were very strange as well. Last thing I wanted to do was roll around on a mat in spandex with another guy while a roided out grown man yelled at us so hard he got a boner and then wanted a hug. I came from a line with several elite level wrestlers, being cousins and uncles, so the recruiting was over the top and my parents finally had to use my exact words and feelings to get the point across. That program is in a local death spiral as well after the top level was finally run out of town admits a pile of rumors years ago.

Both programs gave me the ****ing creeps and I and countless other kids NOPED right the **** out.

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On October 19, 2012, the Boy Scouts of America were forced by court order to release over 20,000 pages of documentation on 1200 alleged child sexual abuse cases within the organization from between 1965 and 1985

1200?! WTF? Were they camping at the Vatican?

It was shameful to report it back then. The kids were told they were asking for it, deserved it, quit bellyaching or your get some of it right here right now. Gotta love the flattop wearing i’m older, stronger and smarter than you.