**** the refs, Brett Veach, Bob, and Andy too
 

Brett Veach needs to be gone. The team should have known that Berry wasn't going to be able to play a full game. This should have forced Veach to go out and acquire one of the many D backs that were on the market. I do want to say that Berry played pretty damn well when he was out there, but if he was really on a play count I would have rather had him for the second half.

It's pretty obvious that only 2-3 teams would be able to keep up with our offense in a shootout; Pats, Rams, maybe the Saints. Don't get me wrong our offense is the best in the league, but the odds of those teams defenses stopping our offense are better than the odds of our defense stopping those offenses and obviously that is the case because the Rams and Pats both beat us. If we could have gotten just one difference makes that could have broken up a pass or a safety that is able to keep everyone in front of him then we win both of those games.

Now we've had a lot of close games that shouldn't have been close and we just lost a game to a team that is no where near as good as we are (I will admit that the refs had a lot to do with us losing tonight by extending drives). Andy and Bob do a good job at the beginning of a game with play calling, but then when we have a 2 possession lead they both go conservative and that is exactly what other teams want is to do. We go into prevent on D and allow long time consuming drives that keep our offense on the sideline. Our defense can't get a stop when it matters, because we aren't rushing the QB and the safeties are absolute trash that allow teams to convert 3rd and long and eventually score a td. The game is then a 1 possession game and luckily we have Patrick Mahomes, because he is clutch and has been able to take us down the field to score. It finally came back to bite us though because no matter how good Mahomes is, he cant catch his own passes or block for himself. He also cant make a stop at the end of the game, so he has a chance to drive us down the field for a win.

So here's a tl;dr of the **** yous;

Refs - **** you for bull shit drive extending penalties
- **** you for deciding to swallow your whistle
while watching the WR push off of our DB

Brett Veach - **** you for sitting on your ass when you
could have easily improved the secondary
- **** you for your hand picked ILBs who
seem incapable of filling a hole instead of
making a tackle 5 yards down field
- **** you for how the Eric Berry situation
has been handled

Andy Reid - **** you for being such a conservative
pussy.
- **** you for not getting rid of Bob

Bob. - **** you for not knowing how to make an
adjustment
- **** you for continually doing things that
dont work time and time again
- **** you for not retiring, you know Andy
won't fire you
- **** you for being old

If anyone has anything to add feel free to add it.

He did try to get Earl Thomas

Veach has a free pass because of Mahomes, he'll be here as long as Carl or when he wants to retire.

I couldn't read all that due to my short attention span

but will try to finish it up later

Earl Thomas getting hurt before we could trade for him hurt us pretty badly. Who knows he might have gotten hurt here too, but having him in our secondary would be a huge bonus. Especially if Berry is able to actually come back full time.

Sutton will man up after the year and retire - mark my words. If not I hope he dies in an aids fire ��

Yep. Football gods punked us on the Thomas deal. I'm not bailing on Veach whatsoever. All GMs hit and miss on players. He's young. He's done good things. He'll get better. Sutton needs to go. Chiefs need to make a BIG splash at DC. Someone that can identify defensive talent. Someone that can make game time adjustments. Someone that doesn't need to see 5'11" Nelson struggle covering 6'3" Williams eleventy billion times before attempts to make an adjustment.

I thought that after last years collapse. If that old **** is still our DC next season people are really gonna lose it lol.

What good things has he done?

Well he was the guy who supposedly pushed for drafting Patrick Mahomes, so there's that.

Why is this on Veach? He doesn't have the authority to force Sutton out. He started overhauling the defense, which takes longer than 1 off season. He's not the one benching the best safety on the team not named Eric Berry for no reason. He's also not the one coaching a team that is up by 14 points with 5 minutes left to play conservative.

Blame coaching, blame the refs and hell, blame the players. But Veach isn't the problem at all regarding this loss.

Veach literally did 1 thing and it wasn't even when he was GM, so who actually knows the amount of influence he had on the decision to draft Mahomes. You can't tell me that Mahomes wasn't on the Chiefs radar until Veach brought him up. Nothing else that he has done has worked out. His draft picks haven't done much, the players he's traded for haven't done much, his free agents have pretty much all sucked. He's missed a ton and the one thing he gets praise for didn't even take place when he was GM. He gave an injury prone WR a ridiculous contract when we didn't really need him.

Oh yeah Earl Thomas. I'm not sure why everyone takes that report as a for sure sign we were going to trade for him. Because I remember the week before he was hurt that it was unlikely that we were going to trade for him, then he gets hurt and all of the sudden it's a completely different story and we were so close to trading for him. Just seems fishy to me and nowadays people throw shit at the wall hoping to be the first to report it. There been plenty of reports that have been wrong over the years; who thought Andy Reid was coming to KC?

There were plenty of other people out there we could have traded for that would have helped a ton and also a couple of FA that would have helped if we wouldn't have threw so much cash at Sammy Watkins.

I just really don't get why people like Brett Veach

Veach is the one who is responsible for bringing talent on the team and has completely whiffed on doing that. I have blamed all of those people too.

Andy has said Veach was the one that put him square on the radar.

Hence, the reason he's GM and Chris Ballard isn't after Dorsey's cap mismanagement.

Supposedly, although Dorsey is the guy with the QB history.

There you go. True story.

Nope going to let that happen.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but weren't you yelling at me for being too negative after the Raiders game?

Hunt at least great grandpa Sutton needs to go.........

Probably, but there may be a slight difference between the Raiders game and this one. I just can't seem to remember what it is.

Don’t forget to add Demetrius Harris

He did just draft Mayfield who is a stud. I’d have to believe that Dorsey also saw Mahomes as a stud.


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“Brett Veach was responsible for him,” Reid told Cowherd. “John Dorsey kind of put him in that position to look at him. Brett spent a lot of time with this kid and so he hammered me on watching him and watching him and watching him and watching him, and so, I had couple years worth of film that I was able to watch, and I can’t tell you it’s one play but there were a few, these passes where he’d be running right and looking right and then throwing back left but not all the way to that danger zone but in position where you’d just go, ‘Whoa. That’s something.’ He still has a ton of room to grow for us, but those are the things that got me.”

https://www-arrowheadpride-com.cdn.a...atrick-mahomes

Sounds like Dorsey was interested in Mahomes and told Veach to scout. Seems like Mahomes was already on Dorseys radar. It wouldnt take much skill to be directed by your boss to go scout a player. I'm sure if Dorsey came to me and said go down to Texas Tech and watch this Patrick Mahomes kid play and get to know him that i would have told Andy that he should be our guy. Too many people take Reid's word to literally. What would you have expected him to say? "Dorsey was the one who was interested in Mahomes, so he sent Veach to do the scouting, because Dorsey is too busy with a million other things. Veach really was following orders and happened to be the lucky one to get assigned to scout Mahomes and that luck was what got him the GM job"? Reid is always going to prop up his guys and say they were responsible for anything good that happened.

It was also said that Veach was scouting other players at a Texas Tech game, but Mahomes stood out so much that he was compelled to show Andy what he found.

Veach discovered Patrick before he got the notoriety.

As I said that's reason he has the Chiefs job instead of Ballard.

If you remember Ballard was an hot item for any open GM position.

Mahomes > Peters

Ballard was hired by the Colts in January. Dorsey wasn't fired until the end of June. So wtf are you talking about? There is no point even arguing with you, because no matter what the evidence points to and no matter how wrong you are you're going to continue acting like your original point was right.

Hunt you just pissed off your fan base.

Yes he was hired before Dorsey was fired. If Dorsey's firing was inevitable, why wouldn't they retain his second in command in Ballard?

The plan was Veach would be GM.


Veach hiring wasn't a spontaneous fallback without forethought. It was already arranged for Brett to fill the job

Yes, I'm correct and you're hating

This seems right as I remember it.

Teams this season trailing by 14 points or more in the final 5 minutes of regulation were 0-88 coming into tonight. Bob Sutton said hold my beer.

It’s time to fly a banner and get rid of that piece of shit. Put me down for a couple hundred on it.

Clark YOU DON'T GET OFF ON THIS LOSE

It wasn't inevitable from what I remember. It was a complete surprise to everyone. Even Reid. Veach was the choice because Ballard left and Reid wanted Veach. You are just making shit up at this point

If these assass hats waste Mahotmes...

FU Clark and Europe.

Now that's bullshit, there were articles about how he freelanced alot, and a to his credit from all I read Kareem was a true Dorsey guy

Besides poor cap management,interpersonally inside the organization tolerance was wearing thin,because John wasn't communicating well concerning who he liked during draft preparation.

https://amp.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/29/k...d-nfl-notebook

These CHIEFS are 11-3. If they were 3-11 would you be saying the same things? A second year QB at 11-3 and the bitch fest is in full mode?

Wasted opportunities


Chargers are better and the media knows it

How Sutton stills a job...

Before the game I think it was Joe Buck say that Andy is the happiest he's seen him. He knows that this is the team that will finally get him the SB win. If that's the case, he has no idea what he really needs to win. The defense will not get us that SB win.

Andy has a QB that can keep scoring but instead he puts his faith in grandpa Bob.

How Sutton stills a job...

Well, that's a lot of ****ing for you to do!

Might be time to get some sleep

Overreaction Planet.

Without this place after a loss, the losses would sting a little more..


This place gets bananas after a loss...

Dorsey got us mahomes.

We lost this game during the off season. We have nothing worth having at DB and LB now and it shows. Veach paid Hitch and he sucks, kept Ragland and he sucks. Poor draft picks so far, maybe they get better but none of them have yet. Kept Dan and he sucks. Nelson, Fuller and Scandrick are back ups at best on any other team and don't get me started on Murray playing over Lucas. We have zero play makers on the back 7, end of story. In crunch time these guys have folded over and over again and it won't change until they are gone and Sutton is gone.

The worst thing was dufus Bob still being the DC. Our defense sucks and has for over 2 years now and he's the constant and is a major blunder on Andy's feet. It's all on him.
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:facepalm:

No, no he didn't.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kan...147392189.html

At 10:49 Thursday evening, John Dorsey walked to the front of the room with a sly smile on his face. For a notorious draft pick-hound who had just surrendered his 2018 first-round choice to move up 17 selections in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft, the enthusiasm in the Chiefs’ general manager’s demeanor was palpable.

He was the gm. Not doing one of these stupid CP arguments. Last post on this subject.

Can we change the name to Overreaction Plannet?

Weve lost three games with one of the hardest schedule a sadistic asshole could come up with

If you fire Veach, Reid will just replace him with another stooge.

And by a combined total of 7 points at that...

Meanwhile, the Chargers have won 3 games by a combined total of 5 points... :hmmm:

OP should have slept on this before posting this thread.

Oh noooo. Veach was Hunt's hand picked guy because of his knack for finding off the radar QBs. You know the type of QBs that throw for 4600 yds and 36 TDs their Sophomore year. Real diamonds in the rough.

Thanks for the in depth post. I'll get back to you after I analyze these detailed thoughts. Thanks for your contribution to the thread.