![]() |
The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady
The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady
The blueprint for slowing down Tom Brady isn’t a secret: Play tight man-to-man coverage and hope to get some semblance of pressure on him (without having to blitz, preferably). The blueprint for allowing Brady to march through your defense ain’t exactly a secret, either, and the Chargers followed it to a tee during their 41-28 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Los Angeles rarely came out of their favored Cover 3 zone — which Chargers defensive coordinator Gus Bradley has been running at a high rate since his days as Seahawks defensive coordinator — and just kind of hoped Brady and New England’s offense would screw up eventually. It never happened. The Patriots did whatever they wanted offensively — at least in the first half, and it was good enough to all but win the game. The Chargers came out in dime defense early, and New England answered with base personnel (with sets featuring two backs or two tight ends, and sometimes both), which provided a size and strength advantage in the box and allowed the Pats to run for 155 yards on 34 carries. Bradley was praised for playing seven defensive backs at a time against the Ravens, but the strategy did not work at Gillette Stadium, and the Chargers were forced back into a more traditional look with two linebackers on the field. But personnel wasn’t really the problem with the Chargers’ ill-fated gameplan. Sure, the Patriots ran the ball well, but the passing game was even more efficient. Brady threw for 348 yards on 44 attempts. The problem was Bradley’s insistence on staying in his basic zone coverages, which doomed his defense from the start. Just about everybody watching at home could see this, including Jets DB Jamal Adams, who has been in the league for only two years and already knows you can’t show Brady static zone coverages all game… Jamal Adams ✔ @TheAdamsEra · Jan 13, 2019 The Pats are in 21p & 22p... two backs 1 TE, or 2 backs 2 TE's! You can't have 6 DB's on the field! It just won't work bro! This is old school football!! Just my opinion! Alright I'm gone ✌🏽 Jamal Adams ✔ @TheAdamsEra TB12 has been doing this since I was in diapers!! You sitting in zone all game, best believe he will tear you apart!! You have to wrinkle in man switch it up on him, & disguise!! 2,019 1:23 PM - Jan 13, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 395 people are talking about this Making matters worse, the Chargers, who refused to blitz, could not get close to Brady in the pocket. Los Angeles most likely assumed it could get home with a straight four-man rush with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram firing off the edges, but once it became apparent that such a strategy would not work, an adjustment was needed. Mike Reiss ✔ @MikeReiss From @ESPNStatsInfo: Chargers did not blitz Tom Brady a single time on his 14 dropbacks in 1st quarter In their wild-card round win over the Ravens, the Chargers blitzed Lamar Jackson only 1 time in 38 dropbacks. Overall, Chargers have pressured Brady just once on 19 dropbacks. 215 1:07 PM - Jan 13, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 55 people are talking about this It never really came. The Chargers sent more pressure in the second half, but, by that point, the game was essentially over with the Pats taking a 35-7 lead into the half. Now, blitzing Brady isn’t really a viable strategy. The 41-year-old has seen every front and blitz a defense can possibly throw at him, and the numbers show he is more effective when an opponent sends five or more rushers. According to Pro Football Focus, Brady’s passer rating jumped to 102.3 against the blitz in 2018 (from 97.7 overall). If the Chargers weren’t willing to blitz, playing man coverage could have helped put more pressure on the pocket. With defenders attached to receivers, the quarterback typically has to hold onto the ball a beat or two longer, which naturally leads to more pressure. And the numbers reflect that. Via Sports Info Solutions: “Across the league, Man Coverage has resulted in a 37.9% Pressure Rate compared to 31.2% in Zone.” The Chargers did not play much man over the course of the season. Only the Colts played man-to-man at lower rather than Los Angeles did in 2018. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvhjEmNU...pg&name=medium On one hand, the argument could be made that asking your players to do something they might not be comfortable doing isn’t the best strategy for the most important game of the season. On the other hand, trying to use your basic gameplan against a Bill Belichick-coached team is asking to be exploited. So what should the Chargers have done differently? Playing more pattern matching coverages would have made a lot of sense. Pattern matching — which, ironically, was the brainchild of Belichick and some former assistant named Nick Saban — is a combination of man and zone defenses, where defenders are responsible for certain areas on the field (that’s the zone part) but end up matching up with receivers based on the routes they run (the man part). More and more NFL teams are favoring pattern matching over traditional spot-dropping zones, which is the best way to deal with these spread offenses taking over the league. At the college level, where seemingly every team is running some form of the spread, you’ll rarely find a defense that isn’t playing some sort of match defense. Seth Galina @SethGalina You have college teams playing press quarters, match cover 3, safeties coming down to be B-gap players, all sorts of front alignments... but in the NFL the only defense in the playbook is Cover 3 spot drop from an under front 77 1:54 PM - Jan 13, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 23 people are talking about this Not the Chargers, though. Whether it was playing more man, or blitzing, or pattern matching, the Chargers had to do something different to at least try to slow down Tom Brady. They didn’t, and the result should not have been a surprise. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl...dley-tom-brady |
So, kill Tom Brady?
|
Quote:
|
This is a variant of what I've screamed for every time we play the Raiders.
It seems so clear that Carr is easily rattled, but too many times instead of pressuring him we would hang back and try to react. With our secondary personnel, it was a double whammy. Give him time and he picks us apart, and even when he isn't picking us apart, give him time to pick out a throw then watch our CBs mug the receiver for a nice PI pickup. Tight man without getting handsy and pressure on the pocket is the prescription for next weekend. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
They kissed his son?
|
Two things became apparent during the 1st Patriots drive:
1. Brady does not want to get hit, even more so than before. He is checking that ball down faster than ever. At the start of the drive Bosa got around Brady's feet and that ball was checked down QUICK. Not a side step. A panic it looked like despite any REAL pressure. 2. That if the Chargers didn't get out of that zone defense they were ****ed. And they didnt. And they got ****ed. |
I still think we go with a 5-man defensive line. That's our best setup to stop the run and also rush the passer. 5-2-4
Houston, Nnadi, Jones, Williams, Ford Hitchens, O'Daniel Nelson, Fuller, Berry, Ward Fuller needs to play a great game covering Edelman. I hope that Berry is healthy enough to cover Gronk. We need Jones attacking Brady right up the middle. |
I don't know about all this mathimatical, charts and graphs stuff. I think I know why the Pats were undefeated at home this year:
http://i68.tinypic.com/33my98n.jpg |
Quote:
|
Is Bosa and Ingram couldn't get much pressure, can Houston and Ford?
What will we do differently on the pass rush? |
Quote:
|
Quote:
The issue was a lack of interior rush. Rushing from the outside is the longest path to the QB. The Chargers don't have a Chris Jones, so they needed to bring different blitz packages and overload the A and/or B gaps. They didn't. Essentially the Chargers sat back in zone while Ingram and Bosa fired off from the outside but never made it because Tom checked it down too quick for them to be effective. To prevent that you play man coverage (makes the Qb hold longer and doesn't allow recievers to get open so quickly) and you have to get pressure from Jones inside. If Jones doesn't get pressure inside, or if we fail to create pressure with creative inside blitzing, then Houston and Ford will end up having a day like Bosa and Ingram. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Yeah it was a terrible game plan by the Chargers DC. You need to at least be adaptable.
But we play almost a totally different defense than the Chargers. We are Tom Brady's nightmare. |
Quote:
If Berry doesn't play we probably should put Ward on Gronk. I don't even think that Nelson can cover Edelman, Fuller is our only chance. If Fuller doesn't work we are going to need to double Edelman. We can't let Edelman destroy us. We can't let Edelman destroy us. We can't let Edelman destroy us. We can't let Edelman destroy us. |
Quote:
Yip |
I always find it hilarious that there is a "recipe" to beat the Pats but no one will use it.
Ridiculous. |
The Chargers went with 7 DBs against the Ravens and were lauded as geniuses for it since it countered Balt's speed, however this was done out of necessity rather than a premeditated plan. 3 of their ILBs were on IR so this was their best option as opposed to playing clunky 4th, 5th and 6th string ILBs.
I knew that the Patriots would start by establishing a power running game. Lining up in the "I" and running it down their throats, which they did. This also opened the play action game for Brady. Oh, and the Chargers O-Line forgot how to pass protect. KC should be fine as long as their secondary holds up. |
If there's one team I do trust Bob Sutton to coach against, it's the Patriots. We always play them tough and figure them out.
The last four games of the Bob Sutton era against the Patriots his defense has allowed: 10/14/18 - 43 Points 09/7/17 - 27 Points 01/16/16 - 27 Points 09/29/14 - 14 Points The last few years we had Marcus Peters, which for all his shortcomings, was a pretty great man to man corner in this system. In the first three years of Bob Suttons defenses we were ranked top 10 in many categories. The last three have been worse and worse, as is evidenced by the point differential. I would say we didn't have things figured out at the beginning of the season, but I do believe our defense is finally starting to come together at the right point, and for whatever reason Sutton's scheme keeps Tom Brady from looking like Tom Brady. We never had a QB who could fight back under Alex Smith, so Tom would get a lead and just not blow it, daring Alex to lead the offense to come back against a middle of the pack defense. Now that Mahomes is across the field, with our defense that seems to have Brady figured out for the most part, I bet they're scared. Of course you can't tell from Bill Belichick's animated expressions and Tom's diva cockiness, but the fans know and they'll be ready this Sunday. Does all that mean that we'll win? Of course not, either we will or we won't at this point, but it sure as shit means we can. |
Quote:
|
I'd load up and stop the run first. It's taboo to say, but i'd make brady have to beat me throwing it and just hope I can get there.
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
No Sorenson No Berry No Ward No Lucas Hell, you had Parker and Shaw and Scandrick in that secondary. They didn't score 43 on "this" defense.... |
Quote:
Houston, Nnadi, Jones, Williams, Ford Hitchens, Ragland Ward, Fuller, Lucas, Sorenson (Nelson as the nickle) |
Quote:
|
Quote:
Bob Sutton lives to shut down Brady. |
Quote:
Anyway, it's funny that they have this pre-conceived notion of mongoloid Chiefs fans roasting rabbit in the parking lot of Camarohead...but the truth is, we're pretty close to the same, except we listen to better music, don't talk stupid, eat better food, and aren't nearly as arrogant. You ever see that episode of South Park where the smug people liked the smell of their own farts? The New England Patriots fans who are on this board reading this right now are just like that, only not as refined. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
You've got to hit him and force the issue. Problem is, you've got to get there with 4 for the most part.
With Jones, Ford, and Houston (and Nnadi and Bailey, and Speaks too for that matter) we're the sort of front that can do it. We'll see. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
Even when he gives up a pass he is usually smothering his guy. I've been super-impressed by him since he started. |
This is the Chris Jones game. Brady can't deal with pressure up the middle. Hates it, can't avoid it. Of course, with that shitty instant-dinkNdunk pass offense they run, it's redundant 99.9% of the time. We have to press hard at the LOS, not get beat instantly, and if we can do that, and disrupt the timing, that's when Jones has to bring the rape inside.
|
Quote:
Out of the 'Haglund's Hybrid' FS/NickLB spot The spirit is willing. |
I’m sure the article discussed the relevant question which is what Brady does vs both coverages this year, perhaps his career, but I must’ve missed it
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
I really think if the D plays the way they have the last two weeks NE has zero chance of winning. |
Quote:
Ward has been a revelation. Lucas is much better than Parker. Front 7 playing downhill. We're not going to sit around in zone all day. Sutton never does that unless he's got a lead. (ahem.) We'll man up and try to get after Brady with the front 4 and occasionally 5. If they play like the last two games, we'll win. If they don't....eh.... |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
Without Lucas Without Ward Without Berry Without Murray It's a different defense now. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:50 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.