So what ‘thing’ will Belichick try and take away from the Chiefs offense?
 

We all know he’s the best at taking away a certain weapon on an opponents offense. What weapon does he try and defuse on the Chiefs?

Keeping Mahomes in the pocket?

Tyreek Hill?

Kelce?

Watkins?

D Williams?

Conley?

Thoughts.....

Well I think the last 2x was Kelce and Hill killed us. I’d assume Hill will be the focus.

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I assume hill as well. Butt that should allow Kelce to get free. If he does it opens the offense. Watkins could earn his contract on Sunday as well if they divert all attention to Hill

My biggest worry about the Patriots on defense is Dont'a Hightower that guy is good at getting in there and disrupting everything.

Kelce is my bet. He's been a 1st down machine lately. Hill is dangerous to go long, but Pat's had trouble hitting him over the top lately, so I think Kelce's the one.

Yes

IDK about offense, but it appeared Indy identified something in our punt formations that they exploited. Hopefully we've looked at that this week.

Robinson should really be getting Conley's reps at this point.

My answer: Doesn't matter. You can't take it all away. Take someone away and one or likely two others will still destroy you.

Yeah for sure - Conley adds nothing. Robinson at least can breakaway every now and then. Also he catches a little better.

I would love to see BB focus on Hill and Sammy Watkins go off for ~200/2TDs like he did against the Chiefs a few years ago.

Mahomes ability to roll to his right out of the pocket. Pressure that comes from his right side.

Kelce

I don’t think he could take Hill out of the Game unless they bracket him with 3 players, and at that, they’d better be extremely fast

I don't think BB will do that with us since we have so many weapons. I'd look for him to try and confuse Mahomes more than anything similar to what the Ravens did.

He'll probably also look to copy what the Colts D did to the Chiefs O in the 2nd half of the game last weekend because the Colts D was pretty successful against us that 2nd half.

They will double Kelce and do their best to bust Hill at the LOS. Watkins and Williams could have a big day.

Agreed. They got close twice and blocked another one. Something needs fixed there.

Yep. They're going to try to take away Mahomes. They'll man Kelce with Chung and man Watkins, bracket Hill, and then try to rattle Patrick.

They'll also try to run ball control offense to keep him off the field.

Need to start strong and hot. Like last week.

If I’m BB, I want the Chiefs defense out there as long as possible. So, if the pats get up early, you take away the short to intermediate routes and take a chance of the lower percentage bombs keeping pace. Long, time-consuming drives for the pats, and hope the defense is gassed in the 4th in a close game for a late score to win.

Bill wants Mahomes "in the pocket" with much stunting pressure coming up the middle from the interior d-line. All the tape on Mahomes getting sacked comes from up the middle. Between the 20's he will double TH/Kelce depending. In the red zone he will automatically double Kelce.

Which leaves Watkins and D Williams still with either single coverage or no coverage:D

What will Bill do??:hmmm::D

Yeah this. But Mahomes stayed in the pocket quite a bit during the Colt's game. He's a threat no matter where he is at.

If they target Hill, Kelce and Watkins we always got Williams and Sherm

He will take away all the short stuff (run game and Kelce) with blitzing so Mahomes and Hill don't have time to hook up on anything deep. Force our offensive line to play smart and deal with stunts, slants, and zone blitzes making Mahomes decide quickly.

Don't let Mahomes roll out to the right.

Pressure, pressure, pressure.

Dieter was in the game last week. HMM. :hmmm:

Think they'll bracket Kelce and Hill and leave Gillmore on an island with Sammy wherever he lines up

Kidnapped the team and have the washington generals play them disguised as the chiefs.

BB is going to double Kelce, Hill and Watkins and load the box with 8 /Pats troll

Duron Harmon is a local kid. He's about to be interviewed on the key to stopping Mahomes. I'll report my findings.

Never mind. I couldn't understand a word he said.

To me, the biggest affect BB has is getting in these guys' heads during the week and get them double guessing too much on game day. I don't think they can reasonable take enough away from our offense to make it matter unless we get defensive about it. We need to have "dictate the terms" approach to our offense and shove it down their throats and make them react to us.

How do you double 3 players then with 8 in the box?:D

Check your math!! Won't be able to double all of them!!!:D

If already posted, apologies and sorrys galore.

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I think we'll come out with heavy amounts of shifting, motions and jet sweeps. Get them thinking east and west before going north and south.

Only way we lose this game is IF we beat ourselves on offense by committing turnovers. Doesn't matter how the D plays if our offense is clicking IMHO. If the D plays respectable to great SURE !! But if they don't it doesn't matter.:shrug:

Just know that Bill has been strategizing since he first played us on how he will play us the 2nd time in these playoffs. He has been studying ever since our first meeting as he has watched all the tapes of every game of Mahomes and our offense and IT STILL WON'T BE ENOUGH !!! :D

yeah, I think it’s Kelce too. Knowing Bellichecks tendency to change things up, he may go Kelce and then switch in the 2nd half to Hill.

If I'm the Pats I take away Kelce and count on the cold helping neutralize the deep game to Hill.

We need a third "safety blanket". I don't care if it's Conley or Williams or Ware or Robinson or Dieter. We need another go-to guy that Mahomes can look for when Kelce is triple covered and Tyreek is doubled. That guy needs to catch the ball when it's coming in at 90 MPH.

We find that, and the offense thrives.

Of course, the keys are always the same; win the turnover battle and DO NOT COMMIT PENALTIES. EVER.

We do that, we win. And probably by 14 points or more. (We're a much better overall team.)

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I couldn't have said it any better.

This!

Wut, you haven't heard of the Cheatriots?

Just hope Andy doesn't try to out smart himself

I bet they come after Mahomes. They aren't usually a blitzing team, but they did it last week to Rivers, and teams have had more success against Mahomes going after him than just sitting back and letting him gut you.

You obviously haven't been reading the "Let's Talk about the Patriots" thread.

Watkins?

You know-

I'm aware that BB is the debbil. And while I too am tired of watching the damned Patriots go to the ****ing SB every year (not quite, but almost) and even if it wasn't us, I'd be rooting for someone else to knock them off. That's what it means to be king.

But Bill ****ing cracks me up with his press conferences. I mean, the guy loathes having to do them and is completely uninterested in even pretending that he wants to be there. All the guy wants to do is coach and win and be left the **** alone.

It's hilarious.

If I know FAX like I think I know FAX, and I do, Watkins is the 2nd safety blanket. Kelce is the first.

So we'd still need a third.

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Well, you've got 5 DB's tied up on 2 receivers so i guess that means that Watkins will be uncovered. I'd bet he'll put up some numbers.
If he falls down or something I guess you could hit D. Williams on a wheel route.

Watkins FAX, its Watkins.

He can try what he wants to try to stop us, but history shows that he cant stop Andy and the Chiefs. This game is in KC where we can actually play damn good D and it looks like a blowout.

It depends on the situation. I would bet Bill doubles and even triple teams Tyreek Hill in bracket coverage between the 20’s and then changes that to take away Kelce in the red zone.

Overall I think it’s apparent that while Kelce is special, Tyreek Hill is the most dangerous weapon we have because he can kill you in all phases while Kelce cannot. Tyreek can destroy teams in the short, intermediate and deep parts of the field simply due to his speed alone.

Take away the intermediate stuff an pray Mahomes plays tight and misses the deep balls.

Our RB has killed NE on seam and wheel routes. It’s natural because they are hitting the middle ground and it clears out for the RBs to feast.

Williams better catch the ****ing ball.

I'm expecting Gilmore to single cover him again. He did a very good job on Watkins in the first game. That's why I didn't mention him.

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Wow ... LOL

I suppose I need to be more direct and specific in the future.

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Kareem Hunt had 26 catches on 35 targets. 74.3%

Williams has 23 catches on 24 targets. 95.8%

You're welcome.

I think a lot of that was because we were playing very conservative with a 3-score lead and Mahomes was obviously making sure not to make a mistake above all else.

You saw as soon as they got a score we came back and opened it up and scored.

Belichick is a known cheater.

I think you should be more vague and evasive in the future. It's more fun. ROFL

Thank you!

I aim to please!

:D

Agreed. Might see alot of Raven like blitzes

Last time, they used linebackers to double up on Kelce (when they did). It's true that they switched it up from time-to-time, but they often relied on the backer.

That's one of the reasons Hunt got loose against the backers. They were kinda busy.

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Watch the try to take Kelce out and Harris end up with over 100 yards and 2 TD. LMAO

If Mahomes hits his deep throws NE is ****ed.

He missed several wide open deep shots the first half last time. Rape will occur if he hits them this week.

Fun for you, maybe.

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Is there any other kind of fun?

I wish ...

It's such a shame that Harris is such an undependable dumbass with lead feet and concrete paddles for hands.

Why can't we find a good #2 TE, anyhow?

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Now that you mention it ...

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The thing is, they can't sell out like they did against Rivers. They're going to have to have outside contain, particularly to the right because of Patrick's scrambling ability.

I mean, looking at all the possibilities, it looks like a lot of hope. They'll probably play like the Ravens did but do they really have that kind of personnel? Can they run man the entire game and not get gassed?

I think the Chiefs are going to run them off the field if they try that. There's just too many weapons.

Rape will occur.

NE is officially ****ed.

This.

NE won't be able to keep up, just from a speed perspective.

I'm not even worried about the offense producing - we scored 40 on them, and that's with not scoring a TD until right before halftime.

He will randomly double and even triple Hill, Kelce and Watkins

I see our role players like Williams, Robinson/Conley and Sherman all being relied on to come through

Mahomes will find them, no worries

Kelce. Hill has gotten his yards and scores, but it’s less realistic to actually take him away. Hill doesn’t let us control the clock to the same degree as Kelce. I think Kelce is more important to the offense getting in a rhythm.

The Cheaters used Hightower is a kind of spy on Mahomes in the first game. It was a good strategy and it paid off for them. If Wally is right and Mahomes doesn't repeat mistakes, they'll have to find some other way of dealing with Mahomes. (I don't think there is a great answer, frankly.)

To be honest, I wasn't all that thrilled with our o-line play in that first half, though.

But the numbers favor us. The Chiefs have too many weapons. If they bump and run with Tyreek, that's cool because he'll get free a few times (plus, it's difficult to play bump/run against a motion guy). If they try and double Kelce with a d-back (of some sort) and a backer, we have the short pass game with the RB and Sammy "Feets" and YAC. If they play zone, they're toast.

Pressure is the only cure to this offense and that's on the o-line and the scheme that Wally devises. If Mahomes burns them against pressure a few times, they'll be forced to give that up. Personally, I think they'll try and copy the donks' disguised, overloaded blitz package. But if they do that and lose contain, they're double toasted.

I'm more concerned about two things; 1) Can we run the ball N/S with Williams and Ware? and 2) How do we cover the Cheaters' short pass game?

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Doesn't matter, whoever they try and take away will just let the others feast on the cheaters

TE2 is something I’d like to see us address in the draft this year. I'd like to think we could have an even more potent offense if we had another playmaker who could block for 2 TE sets. We also need to start planning for after Kelce, or at least an older Kelce.

1)yes I think so. 2) I think we man up, which disrupts the short game, forcing Brady to hold the ball, where our pass rush will feast.

That's what I'm worried about. We don't have a ton of speed and he already split the double team for long TD's in October.

I hope you're right. Those are the crucial match-ups, IMO. Our downhill run game vs. their base defense and their uber-short pass game against our base defense.

I know this much, though; if we can disturb Tommy Two Yards early in the game, we win this walking away. He don't like those hit things. And you can't throw a 3-yard out while your facemask is submerged in soil.

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right. It's why the Chargers' plan was asinine. You can't sit around in zone all day, Brady will dissect you. BUT, if you're manning up and can do it, that makes him hold the ball. IF you have a pass rush, especially a strong inside rush, you can crush him.

I actually think at this point in the season, we match up well on their weapons with the exception of the backs. If Berry plays, we might be okay there too.

If Berry plays (on that particular day), I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy Two Yards gets picked twice. Nobody studies film or reads and anticipates QBs better than EB.

Of course, he's also a stud in the run game.

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Chung is so awesome he can double Kelce and Hill and be the 8th man in the box on the same play!

Gilmore follows Hill. Kelce is bracketed. Watkins will have to win his matchup... i assume that's what he will do. Along with a muddied rush trying to keep Patrick inside the pocket.