Chiefs tag Ford
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> have franchise tagged Dee Ford, source said. Another pass rusher off the open market.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1102702854450700293?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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No, he's not being traded.

Giving up all your best players in a single season is NOT how you get better on defense.

Just ask the Raiders.

So long, Dee.

Off the market, into the neutral zone.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now the trade talks between the Chiefs and other teams can continue and intensify. With Chiefs switching to 4-3 scheme, Ford is a prime trade target. <a href="https://t.co/IqYZDCC0Am">https://t.co/IqYZDCC0Am</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1102709964303486977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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And taste it,

And taste it,

Just get down,

Don't waste it...


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There should be a trade market here, as the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are open to dealing him to a team with a better scheme fit for the right price <a href="https://t.co/29LKVfMdqG">https://t.co/29LKVfMdqG</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1102712488590786560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Come on Packers.....give us that #30 pick for Ford.

Looking at you, Green Bay

HERE COME DAT MONEY $$$$$$$

I don't think we can afford to keep him for 15 million. Trade him Veach

Woah. We’re really getting rid of both aren’t we?

And I'm glad. Now they need to dump Berry as well.

Not wise, but it sure looks that way.

I’m down for trading Ford for the right package

Need a pretttty good pick if it’s just picks.

Maybe they’re looking to go after Flowers?

It's downright stupid to neuter the only thing this defense did well.

I put that shit in the FA thread.

1. Tag and trade Ford.
2. Cut/trade Houston.
3. June 1st cut Berry.

That gives you $47 million to work with.

Sign Flowers and Collins.

You've got your DE and your SS.....and a shit ton of picks to work with in the draft.

Trust in the coaching staff. They wouldn't make the clean sweep unless they had a solid plan. And remember, we can literally go in only one direction after last year's defensive abortion.

True....if you're assuming that they aren't going to get any other passrushers this offseason.

This will look stupid if their DEs next season are Speaks and KPass. I highly ****ing doubt that though.

And if you're unable to land either?

Oooof.

I mean we weren’t 32!!! We could always be the Bengals

About to post the same thing

Not if they think it's the only way they can improve other parts of the defense that need an EXTREME amount of attention.

Lol no.

They were the #1 pass rush in the league last year. Yeah, go ahead and blow that up and see how much "Better" they'll be.

If anyone thinks they can't get worse you're sorely mistaken.

Well we can pay them and we have both of their former coaches here. I'd say we have a good chance.

Yeah, you could have teams offer them stupid money. And if it does....you move on to your next plan.

By creating more holes? I'm good with axing under performing, over-paid players. But Dee Ford does not fit that description, especially with Houston gone.

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Lol. Let's blast an even bigger hole into the passrushing to address the secondary. That'll work great.

Funny isn't it?

When everybody was piling on me about not wanting to keep Ford, it was "trust in the coaching staff. The coaching staff is going to fix this".

Now that they apparently want to get rid of Ford AND Houston, the coaching staff is dumb and has no clue.

Gotta love CP.

Your next plan being Speaks and Kpasso. The general rule is linemen need 3 years to fully develop. So the odds of a rook coming in here and picking up where Ford/Houston left off is slim.

Hey, I'm willing to trust that the coaching staff knows what they are doing.

Like everybody else was, prior to this news coming out.

If we're going to trade Ford might as well keep Houston for another year

Stahp.


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Trading Ford and not Houston would be a bad business decision. If one has to go, it's Houston.

Dude....we haven't even gotten to FA or the draft yet.

From what it looks like.....the coaching staff doesn't think that Ford fits in the 4-3. Oh ****ing well.

If they get rid of both Ford and Houston, they HAVE to get a quality vet pass rusher.

Starting Tanoh and Speaks is basically punting on 2019

Seems like this happens every day now.

Why does it look that way? This exactly how the Chiefs maximize their leverage in negotiations and extract value. They express to the rest of the league that they have options. You want Houston? Well, he may not be cut because we may trade Ford instead. You want Ford? Well, we don't have to trade him as we can just cut Houston.

If the Chiefs approached this any other way, they'd be idiotic.

Starting two 2nd round picks is apparently punting the season now. Good to ****ing know.

Bunch of god damn chicken littles.

That very well may be the case.

I'm saying that blowing it all up, even your talented players is not how you get better. Maybe eventually, but certainly not in 2019.

Like last season when the Chiefs thought it was a good idea to trade away their best corner. They didn't get better.

Maybe they will eventually....but they didnt in 2018 even though everyone swore it was addition by subtraction.

And Spags isn't exactly Wade Phillips. Dude has a very, very mixed bag of results in the NFL.

Meh, you get a high pick for Ford (I imagine).

It doesn't sound like we're getting anything for Houston.

If you cut Houston and stick with Ford you're stuck with about 7 million in dead cap and Ford's 15 million dollar franchise tag.

So keep Ford= 22 million against the cap and low or no draft pick

Keep Houston and trade Ford= 23 million against the cap. Acquire a high draft pick

I know people here poo-poo this, but he's a young, still ascending player, has played for this d-line coach and so already knows the calls and responsibilities and is a better all-around player. He's probably at most a 10 sack guy, but a 10 sack guy that plays the entire game well is a good pick-up.

He and Landon Collins would give you two young studs well versed in the scheme to build your defense around.

Aw man does this mean no more threads like "Chiefs about to/will/to/in the process of/gonna/definitely really for sure gonna tag Dee Ford"? Sad.

I'm not down on either of those guys. But there's no denying that the defense would be getting worse.

You're taking the only thing this D did well and removing it and hoping they're better for it.

Maybe they trade both. I'm not ruling it out. But i can't see that making them a better unit in 2019.

Don’t worry guys, we’re gonna get rid of our most impactful players to free up money to sign....(checks notes) and in the box safety who’s coming off an injury plagued season to a big contract

Speaks would be a good defensive end. Tanoh sucks ass as he barely got on the field last year. I put my money on that Dieter has more of a impact than Tanoh next year. We do need another linebacker

I'm skeptical about anything that comes out of NE.

Agree to disagree I guess. We'll just have to both wait and see.

I'm now hoping that they cut Berry.

I ****ing LOVE it and stand behind it 1000%. It does us NO GOOD to be "great" at a few stats when the sum of the whole is a big, floppy, bag o' dicks.

I'll tell you what blew my lid:

People pretending that Houston and Ford were going to be in ANY way, shape, or form, effective DE's in a ****ing 4-3. Now THAT shit is second take, head-twisting, absurd. Houston maybe, much more so than Ford, but not at that price. No sir.

There are three changes happening here:

Scheme, personnel, and culture. And I'd disappointed if it went down any other way.

No, they were #1 in sacks. It's not the same thing. That pass rush disappeared often when we needed it most.

We lost multiple games in which we scored 40 points.

In the AFC championship game, when we needed it most, we couldn't get to Brady.

We also couldn't stop the run all year long.

There are no sacred cows on a historically bad defense.

I'd say the two most impactful players were Chris Jones and Orlando Scandrick.

Chandler Jones says hi. I'm not skeptical about pass rushers. I am, however, skeptical about anyone whose success is based on Brady getting him the ball.

I’d say the guy that led the league in pressures made an impact, no?

The only way they get rid of Houston and Ford is if they go out and get somebody like Flowers.

I’d be shocked, but I’m not worried that they don’t have a plan if they do it.

Wonder if they’d take our 29 for Jones ?

Nobody pictured Veach going out on the 1st day and signing Watkins and Hitchens. Veach apparently does whatever the **** he wants.

Yeah, for sure. Chris Jones was good for a sack for an historical number of consecutive games, though. And with teams getting rid of the ball sooner and sooner, I'll take an interior pass rush over an outside one.

But I don't think there's a wrong answer. I do, however, believe that no single player affected our defense more than Scandrick did.

When are Tyreek and Jones getting extensions? Our cap space will go to that as well

True. We could’ve won the Rams and Pats game if Scandrick had hands

What is Ford worth? To whom?

Exactly.

Why not just trust that Veach and the coaching staff KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING?

Furthermore, how do you go from trusting them to thinking they're dumb because of ONE PLAYER?

I mean, my feelings on tagging Ford and keeping him are well-known but I've never once said they were DUMB for doing it. I always made it clear it was my personal preference.

If Chandler Jones is worth a 29th overall pick at 29 years old coming off 13 sacks, then how is Houston worth nothing coming off nine and one year older?

Houston has only had 2 seasons ever where he has played 16 games

Injury history

LMAO Veach hasn't done shit to assure me he has any idea of how to fix this defense.

You know...you've said this several times; IN THE BOX SAFETY, as if it's some kind of slur; some kind of indication of a player lacking in skills.

You could not be more wrong. Tired of watching your defense get gashed by slot receivers and tight ends? That's your BOX SAFETY.

Tired of watching long runs off-tackle? That's your BOX SAFETY.

A FREE SAFETY is not necessarily more of an impact position than a STRONG SAFETY.

They are different, but neither is more important. When playing well, they are complimentary. We need both, so I think your take is bogus.

Chandler Jones doesnt have an injury history

We don't need a box safety if Berry is still on the roster.

Then you'd be safe to assume that tagging Ford is a bad idea, no? Since that's what Veach did and he doesn't know shit, right?

A free safety that can take the ball away is more impactful than a box safety that is just good in coverage and makes plays vs the run

Get a linebacker for that

That's arguable. LOL

I believe in Armani Watts

When the chiefs make the in the box safety the highest paid safety in the nfl to play in the box, well, we’ll see how it works out

You think that Collins' contract is going to beat Earl Thomas? I highly ****ing doubt that.

I don't believe it causes THAT much discrepancy between value, though.

It's not one player. It's likely 4+.

You have to retain SOMETHING to build around.

If you gut this defense, it'll have one notable player to build around. And that very well may be their plan. But you're creating more holes, and you already have plenty to fill. Houston is gone. That's a given. Berry may be gone as well. All you have left now is Chris Jones.

But their plan may not include a solidified way of actually being better in 2019.

Their plan may be just like last season, which was, "**** it, we know we're gonna suck and we'll deal with it until we stop sucking".

Punting on 2019 LMAO

I’d say it does

Three seasons.

Chandler Jones has four

You really think the spirit is going to be willing?

I don't give a shit if he's on the roster, I think if you're actually planning on a full season from him you're a ****ing idiot.