Were the Chiefs trying to acquire Demarcus Lawrence?
 

This writer says so: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platf...mpression=true

I'm telling you. Veach is trying to swing big and to be honest, he has no choice because of the SB aspirations next year.

Who cares. Veach is failing to go for it. Pitiful effort.

reerun

Good thing we didn’t. 21 mil per. **** no

They’ll end up trading way up probably if they can’t get a proven player.

PP Please :grovel:

Here comes Clark and Peterson, and I don't mean Hunt and Carl...

:D

I’d trade for clowney

ROFL I just pictured those two suiting up and heading out on the field! How unbelievably hilarious would that be?!

This piece of shit any good?

And Patrick Peterson also

At some point you have to pay for talent.

LETS GO WIN A TITLEI’d gladly trade for both of them and hand CJ and Clowney both carbon copies of the Lawrence deal

How many $21M pass rushers did the Pats have last year?

Let’s go full salary cap off Madden!!!

Just not our own players.

They didn’t have any, but they did have the BEST defensive mind in football.... so yeah we are going to have to rely on talent

SPAGS

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Rams had a couple, they made the super bowl

Dumbest poster of all time FTW!

Donald and who else at $21M per??

Sorry, was thinking Suh but he was only at 15 iirc

No way. He is soft. We would see another Justin Houston situation IMHO. Besides hasn't anybody learned anything about acquiring big name FAs and paying big $$? You rarely ever get the return on these guys. Belichek for all the hate he gets understands this rule. A player's best years are his first 5 after that they want paid and then playing hard becomes an option.

Dear God why? I would rather have paid Dee Ford.

Clowney is overrated. No way should the Chiefs pay out the ass for that guy.

He's been over rated since college

I'm totally down with a playmaker FA and the salary that will entail, be it a Lawrence, or a Peterson, or whatever, really.

But I'm telling you-the difference in defensive coaching staff and scheme and just the rotational guys they've signed along with Honey Badger and Breeland-this is a top 20 defense if they lined up tomorrow. That was a middle talent defense last year, for ****'s sake, and the scheme and coaching was so bad guys literally had no idea how to line up in week 15. It'll be better than that, and it'll be better against the run right away. It'll force teams to try to throw with us, and very few teams could possibly keep up that way.

Who played well in the playoffs but was meh in the regular season.

I'm sure he gave back some of his salary since he was so "meh" during the season.

Did Mike Brown give any of his profits back for a shitty Bengals season??

He paid Gilmore and was trying to trade for ODell and or AB.

Enough with this Belcheck shit. He pays guys when he wants them.

So do any of you guys need more reason to trade for him?

No kidding. That narrative is so tired and played out, not to mention completely false.

All we've heard about how this new scheme is this or that. Speaks was miscast as a OLB, now he's gonna be fine in this at DE, They're gonna run all these games etc.

Well, you know who's the ideal guy to play WDE?

Clowney.

Bingo.
But he is overrated and often times loses focus and does not play within the scheme. Also. early in his career, had issues seeing the field, but that really wasn't the case the past two seasons, especially last (contract) year. Sound familiar?

This would be a high risk high reward signing, but I'd do it IF the numbers worked. And what I mean by that is if he was not paid top tier $$$, but was just under that. I don't see any way he signs for anything less than top tier $$$. This is exactly why the Texans are having issues with his new contract now.

Veach is an expert on almost getting a guy. How many times have we heard the same shit.

We kept the wrong guy. Ballard is clearly better.

The Texans haven't exactly used him as the key piece on defense, yet he's had back to back 10 sack seasons in a Crennel 3-4 front, where he's asked to help free up Watt.

His 2017 was just as good or better than 2018, so the whole contract year thing is a overblown.

He's a really good player. He's young and he's just hitting the prime of his career.

Oh, I think we would have kept Ballard, but that wasn't an option at the time as he was already gone. :shrug:

The question at the time was does KC keep Dorsey or Ballard...And at the time, the answer was Dorsey.

You're right again regarding how he is used. Crennel chooses to line him up all over the place - even inside at times, when he is clearly better outside. However, the whole contract thing is not overblown. You must consider the whole body of work and his knack for making Dee Ford knucklehead plays. He does it a LOT. That's why I pay him well, but not at the top for his position.

The Chiefs have too many needs to trade (way) up. A short hop they can do. And, they don't have enough draft picks to trade for a great player-- and pay him-- and then fill the rest of their needs. I hope Veach trades back if anything. This is a deep enough draft to improve the team and keep money in reserve to make post-draft deals after cuts. I would take 2 low to mid first round picks for Jones in a heartbeat. No more Justin Houston/Eric Berry mega-contracts. That's for Mahomes. Mahomes isn't nearly as susceptible to injury.

QB takes a discount and a shit load of his roster is literally filled with value players. This is why they are so good..

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I disagree.

If Clowney can be had for a 2nd round pick and a mid-low round pick, I'd be all for it.

With the possibility to release Watkins and Hitchens soon, I don't think cap space would be a problem moving forward.

You have then the making of a real strong Dline for a few years and also depth next year with Okafor, Kpassagnon, Williams and Ogbah.

You draft a CB in the 1st round, not necessarily needing to move up.

You draft a LB at the end of the 2nd round.

You still have next year's 2nd round pick to move up if needed.

Maybe do something to add a half decent safety and this defense would look great IMO.

With a strong Dline, I'd be comfortable with a CB quartet of Fuller-Breeland-Ward and a 1st round pick.

And they can draft a C/G in the 3rd round.

It's gonna take 29 to get Clowney being that it would be the Texans trading him in the conference to a team they're gonna have to beat in the playoffs.

Only on short deals. He doesn't pay the long term super money. This is what we should do with Jones and Hill. No longer than 3 years.

I'm afraid you are right.

Not giving that #29 overall pick but maybe next year's first.

I feel like the right compensation would be a 2nd plus mid-low round pick though.

From a cap standpoint, the amount they'll want you really can't do it in those short terms.

If they'd take 3 year deals, it's going to be fully guaranteed.

The Pats only pay Brady and Gilmore real $$ (above $10M). The rest of their roster are cheap contract guys and middle class (around $4M) guys on their second contracts.

Way different than the stars and scrubs approach of most teams.

No way in hell should we get Clowney. He is still a work in progress and we don’t know for sure if he will work out. He’s never had double-digit sacks. I’m not paying huge money for players with questions.

Teams shouldn’t be spending huge money on pass rushers unless they are truly elite, and the deal should not be 5 or 6 years long.

Alex Okafor was a great get. He’s got half the sacks of Clowney, he’s a good run defender overall like him and he is built similarly. Give me Okafor at 1/3 of the price of the pass rushers getting paid. It’s smart to get pass rushers like Okafor, Houston and Bennett who are still talented with manageable cap hits. Then draft pass rushers early to get good young talent for cheap for 4-6 years.

I’m fine with paying a LB or DB big money. Hitchens and Honey Badger got paid elite money when they were signed and it’s still nowhere near as much as a premier pass rusher would get paid.

Why do you think that is?

Why would you want to pay elite money to players that don't make elite impact?

Clowney is a work in progress? How so?

"I'm not paying huge money to players with questions" doesn't really sit well with being ok paying Mathieu or even Watkins.

Why would Mathieu be a risk?

If we were drafting him I'd understand but since he's been in the league he's been pretty solid...

Clowney is 26 and has never shown a high ceiling as a pass rusher. That’s what you’re paying him to do.

It would be foolish to pay him big money without showing that. Might as well have paid Dee.

He's been essentially a 10 sack guy for 2 years playing DE in a 34.

If that doesn't really show a high ceiling as a pass rusher, well, i'm not sure what we're looking for.

You probably couldn't build a guy better suited to play the weak DE spot in Spags system than Clowney.

Over the last 3 years he's averaged about 20 QB hits per year.

Injuries?

dee ford only does one thing some what well. thats rush the passer, with houston and jones on the same line as him he only got 13 sacks. how do you say we should have paid him and not want to pay clowney

Sorry but Clowney has been a top dlineman and a complete player for at least two years now.

He is definitly worth something close to Demarcus Lawrence in terms of contract.

The problem I have with not trading for any good D-end but just drafting one is that in a year of SB or bust, we know the usual contribution of a 1st year Dline player and coupled with Speaks, Kpassagnon and Okafor at D-end, that's way too much of an unknown and likely not good enough.

It's either you put on the field a real strong Dline and you can go with some unknown in the secondary or vice-versa.

DE and OLB line up the same on a lot of plays, so he’s had his opportunities.

He’s also played with JJ Watt and Whitney Mercilus and still couldn’t break double-digit sacks?

That’s as a good of a situation for him to be in as any in the league and he still didn’t show high pass rush potential.

Sorry. Not paying $20+ million for that.

So you have to break 10 sacks to have high pass rush potential? Not putting together 3 straight years of 20 plus pressures per game or 9 and 9.5 sack seasons, but that elusive half sack would have put him there.

He's not a speed guy like Ford and he's bigger.

He's the absolute ideal guy to play 43 DE in this system. Next to Jones and in this sytem, he'd be a perennial 12 sack guy.

I don't see how anyone can not like Clowney but want to trade up for Ferrell. That's essentially what you hope Ferrell becomes.

Ferrell is a high potential rusher that fits us so well. He’s dirt cheap for 5 years and we could have money to add more players due to cap flexibility.

In one of Veaches press conferences he said to make moves you need cap space AND draft picks. Iirc it was after releasing Berry.

To me, it sounded like a guy wanting to trade for a blue chip guy.

Clowney is an elite run stuffer and is a good pass rusher that has played in a passive 2 gap read and react system in the NFL.

In a system that is pressure and multi look based, he’s almost perfect. He would be rushing the QB more than in Houston and his role would fit his skill set a lot better. His body type is also ideal for the position.

Because he's a younger lesser player than Clowney at this stage.

The money part I get. That's a lot especially if they want to pay JOnes up there.

But saying Clowney isn't an elite player? Nah.