Let’s talk about ways to get this team back on the Super Bowl track tonight
 

First off, I’m operating under the assumption that we’ve seen Tyreek Hill play his final snap in KC as of right now. And barring unforeseen news to come, that is how it needs to be. If you choose to believe otherwise, that’s your call. But for the sake of being realistic, Hill is a goner.

I won’t understate that blow. He’s been the most explosive playmaker in the NFL for 2-3 years now. He changes the game unlike anyone else. He will not be replaced.

But that doesn’t mean that this team can’t find other ways to get back on track. So here is what I am looking at heading into Friday night:

1. Mahomes means we’re still in a good spot

Let us not forget that Patrick looked ****ing awesome in his first start in Denver with nothing but backups around him. He basically got Albert Wilson a 50% raise that day, I would say. Things will get tougher for him and the offense now, but he can still carry us to being a top 10 offense at minimum. We still have some star playmakers on the roster and an above average offensive line. Now onto the draft....

2. Lots of good, athletic receivers left

Here is a list of some of the best WR prospects remaining along with their 40-yard dash times to the right. I think Andy will want to add a field stretching WR to this roster in order to best match up with Mahomes, so speed is very important:

- Parris Campbell (4.31)
- Andy Isabella (4.31)
- Mecole Hardman (4.33)
- D.K. Metcalf (4.33)
- Terry McClaurin (4.35)
- Emmanuel Hall (4.39)
- Darius Slayton (4.39)
- Myles Boykin (4.42 and some FREAKY agility times as well)
- Hakeem Butler (4.48)
- Deebo Samuel (4.48 and just a stud in general)
- A.J. Brown (4.49, stud player like Samuel)

Point being, there are some really athletic players left at WR who, while not close to Hill, could still come in day one and present a vertical threat for Mahomes and Andy to work with.

3. Lots of good corners and safeties remain as well

Another huge need that has some depth here on day two... here are some solid players available:

- Byron Murphy
- Greedy Williams
- Amani Oruwariye
- Rock Ya-Sin
- Joejuan Williams
- Sean Bunting
- Justin Layne
- Julian Love
- Trayvon Mullen
- Lonnie Johnson Jr.
- Nasir Adderley
- Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
- Taylor Rapp
- Juan Thornhill

And even a few more who could make an impact potentially from day one. If the Chiefs want to build up the defense even more to take pressure off of the offense this year, options remain...

4. Possible established trade targets?

I doubt it happens but we’ve still got possible veteran fixes out there such as Patrick Peterson or A.J. Green... not sure if their teams would trade them right now, but its possible... and even if not, they may do so during the summer.

So tonight, the Chiefs should have a great chance to stock up on talent that can help immediately in 2019. They could go WR/CB/TE straight up, they could take two WRs even to hedge their bets there with a DB or TE later, or they could use picks to go get an established veteran today... who really knows.

This team isn’t dead yet, though. Let’s see where things are later. Even with Hill on his way out, Kansas City can reset and contend with the right moves, IMO.

Hell yeah brother!!! Losing Hill sucks big time but having Mahomes means this can still be an elite offense. We're just not used to having an actual QB, so it's hard to wrap our minds around that fact. But it's true!!!

It probably won't happen, but I'd ****ing love if we traded for AJ Green. That would be the sort of move that puts us right back where we were, contender-wise.

First, great post and timing.

I have no hope for Hill so think we need to replace him. And given that so much of Reid's playbook is tailored around using his speed, we REALLY need to draft a burner today in the Hill mold (I know no one is Hill as we saw from our Dex and DAT experiment). So important to get that right and I'm fine giving up a lot of draft capital to do it.

LMAO

You aren’t gonna replace hill so don’t try. Stick to your board and don’t panic

I like what I've heard about Isabella. I think the Chiefs need to add 2 receivers prior to the season. I'd be ok nabbing a vet on a short deal.

Obviously not but they do need a field stretcher. With Mahomes it is critical I would say.

Speculation Murphy goes to the Cards. Would that make them more open to lowering their price on PP?

Sure

But you needed that anyway

Plenty of options left at WR and CB, so we're not totally screwed yet.

Sounds great on paper, but we just don’t have the WR depth to ignore the glaring hole we’re suddenly faced with

They needed speed at WR anyway. There's going to be several CBs and WRs available when they pick. Probably stand pat and get one of each.

I feel really good about our ability to somewhat make up for the loss of Hill with a great day today.

I don’t see any way we don’t come out with a WR and CB after tonight. Maybe we trade up for one and only come away with 2 guys, but those two positions will be added for sure.

If we keep all 3 of our picks, I’m pretty sure we go S or TE (outside shot at IOL).

The best part is, I’m not saying this because I think we’ll draft for need, it should be a combination of value and need. There’s just so much talent still available at those positions and day 2 is really the strength of this draft.

I like Deebo Samuel

I would go WR, CB and S with our three picks today. Hopefully grab someone like Moreau in the 5th....or trade up into the 4th for him.

Are you going to go back in time and make the Steelers trade us AB?

Otherwise it's done.

I like you!

Yea, that’s exactly what I’m leaning towards.

Give me a big bodied burner like Jalen Hurd, and a tall, aggressive CB like Joejuan Williams today, please

I'd prefer to stay where we are if it means we can get a good slot and an outside deep threat.

Mahomes strikes me as a QB that can work well with a couple of 'jag' receivers... considering he has Kelce and the other TE, you need a burner to replace Hill, but you can likely grab 1-2 current FAs and be fine with going WR late. I think KC really has to focus on fixing that defense in this draft.

If you go defense then I would sell the farm and select Greedy. He looks like an elite coverage on an island corner.

If speed is the goal then see if the Bengals would take a 4th or 5th round pick for John Ross. The guy has speed to burn. He has the injury issue but he's been terribly misused by Cincy. Plus, he's a former first round pick and Veach seems to love those guys.

I'd trade for Ross and still draft a WR at 63 following a CB at 61. Ross doesn't completely fix the problem but I think he allows us to stay put in the second and third round. It would be nice to keep those picks.

This seems like a solid idea, to me.

**** you!!!

Wait...you were nice to me. Sorry I’m not used to that.

I like you too!!

I have to agree.

Tyreek can’t be replaced, but Mahomes is incredible. He can extend plays for so long that less explosive players can eventually get open.

Watkins is more the reason I think they need to go WR. We probably can’t justify that contract for more than another year.

I have full faith in Reid to find quality offensive skill players that fit his system.

Our WR group right now is:

Watkins
Robinson
Pringle
Kemp
Dieter

I would look at drafting one in the 2nd round this year.....and possibly swinging a trade for Ross or Agholor with a 2020 pick. That would push out Kemp and Dieter and give you:

Watkins
Agholor
Robinson
Pringle
Rookie

Thank you for this post! I am sick of the posts and arguing on both sides of this and what at least comes off to me as reveling in what has happened. There is nothing to celebrate as a fan or as individuals against child abuse or domestic violence.

Now about the football stuff, I don’t think we are going to be able to get Peterson because Arizona is going to want more than what we can realistically pay in compensation.

I think we will need to bring in a vet wr that could be a #1 or #2 guy. I don’t think it would be terrible to break from the mold in what we have been doing with our defensive acquisitions. Meaning, we’ve been getting younger. I think a crafty vet like a Green who has been around a while but still has some mileage left would be a good idea given if the acquisition is via trade that the compensation is low. Plus, it would give time to try to develop anyone we take from the draft. From those left on the draft board, I’m not sure who I would target but it goes without saying it has to be someone who could be a wr 1 in Andy’s system. At cb, I don’t think greedy makes it to us without a trade up. I would be ecstatic if Thornhill would fall to us in the 3rd.

Are there any quick-cutting strong guys who run a 4.24 40 still available?

If the CBs they like get scooped up early (Byron expected to go at 33), I’d be just fine with going WR at 61 AND 63 if solid options are still there.

Sets you up with depth and hedges your bets that you find at least one long term playmaker.

We are fine with Mahomes. QB’s make the WR, not the other way around.

Definitely need to add to our WR and TE room, but not a dire need like if we still had Smiff.

To me wr requires one of the most adjustments jumping from college to the NFL. When has the last wr to really come out and be dominate right away? Let alone thinking a 2nd or 3rd rounder is going to be. The odds of a 1st rounder producing meaningful stats are low let alone talking a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Unfortunately this is where we are at we need to see if we can find one even if it is for 2-3 years down the road.

Dream scenario:

61, 63, and 84 go toward WR/WR/S or TE... then trade future assets for Patrick Peterson.

Michael Thomas off the top of my head

:drool:

Dream scenario?

2nd - Adderley, FS
2nd - Samuel, WR
3rd - Love, CB
5th - Moreau, TE

Throw a 2020 pick to the Eagles for Agholor or a 2020 pick to the Bengals for Ross.

I think you have to take Isabella or Hardman among the guys who realistically could be available. Take whichever one has the most educated and affluent parents, because yes, I'm angry.

Sammy Watkins' rookie season was actually his best season in terms of catches and just slightly behind his sophomore season in yards and TDs.

Rookie season - 65 rec, 982 yards, 6 TDs

I would certainly like that, but not love it. Only because I don’t think Ross can stay healthy and I don’t think Agholor is worth extending, so you pay him $9M this year to walk next spring.

It’d be an awesome haul but I personally prefer PP, somehow, with two WRs drafted.

I would also add trading picks in next year’s draft for PP. I’d even give them our first next year for him.

What would it take? Would they give up Agholor for a 5th?

And drafting two WRs would be too much in my mind. Grab one....and then grab another one next year if you want. The WR and RB class next year is supposed to be crazy stacked.

Props to Pugs for this thread. Our opinions on Hill don’t matter. Whatever is going to happen will happen.

Let’s just focus on the path forward. Much more positive tone to this thread.

You have earned my “Yip”.

We're not replacing Tyreek Hill. It's not happening. If it was that easy....then 31 other teams would have Tyreek Hill clones on their roster. Our best bet is to go find an outside WR and pair him with Watkins and Robinson.

True but I guess my POV is with Watkins you can’t rely on him to be there every week in 2019... so I really think adding two legitimate WRs is a must before the season starts.

Take D.K. Metcalf please. He will be this team's version of Calvin Johnson. Metcalf can only run a few routes but so did CJ. We need speed and he has speed AND power.

To truck down anyone that gets in his way and to go up and snatch anything that is higher than the DBs can get to.

I think your assessment in the OP is the way to look at it. As much as I hated going after a WR in the 2nd, things change so I have to change the way I see things. If there's a burner with hands available at 61, you take him. Add a CB/S at 63 and a TE in the 3rd. Go a 1 year deal on a FA WR and stock up next year.

We need to take the BAP from the following positions: WR, DB, LB, OL, TE

This needs to be a productive draft for us, period. Losing Hunt and Hill means our margin for error went down significantly for this draft.

Defense and run game.

Yep, there are more ways to win in the NFL besides having a historically great offense.

In fact, history tells us having some balance by playing solid defense, and being able to win physical games is a great way to win a SB.

Depends on what you mean by "run game".

If they want to draft an interior lineman tonight, great.

If they draft a RB tonight, that's just dumb.

I look at our RB stable right now and wonder why we need to add anyone, especially in the mid to late rounds. True enough, we all got spoiled with Hunt, but I just don't think we should overlook other needs for a RB.

Nothing wrong with drafting a RB in the later rounds.

This team has pretty strong needs at several other positions and these 3 picks tonight are premium picks, given that the depth in this draft lines up almost exactly with the Chiefs needs. Drafting a RB would basically be flushing pick value down the toilet.

That's the right attitude!

I agree that Tyreek was a really unusual talent, but **** it, he's gone, what do we do now?

I like your WR list a lot; with Mahomes, all things are possible, so your sub 4.5 and especially sub 4.4 guys are all on the menu, I'm sure.

I don't think we need to panic and jump up; I think several of these guys are going to fall to us and we'll need that #3 pick too.

Love your CB list as well, and several of those guys are going to be there as well. I think other than Greedy, most of these guys are essentially interchangeable.

And a Kahale Warring in the 3rd gives Andy and Pat a new toy for next season, those 2 TE sets could be deadly.

We're still in good shape. There's a ton of talent here. And don't forget, the idea was to build a GOOD defense, and so while there are still issues there, we should be drastically improved on that side of the ball. Maybe a little more balance as an overall team Can put us in the 'bowl.

Yeah....Veach is a moron if he drafts a RB tonight.

Yeah I'm not advocating drafting a RB in the second round.

I posted this in a previous post:

"We need to take the BAP from the following positions: WR, DB, LB, OL, TE"


Those are the positions where we can benefit from drafting a productive player. We have too many other holes or future needs to worry about drafting a RB high.

My apologies if already mentioned - but a LOT of our offense's success relies upon pre-snap motion with Tyreek (the threat of the jet sweep, etc.).

While Mahomes is everything we could ever want and more - losing Tyreek is a huge blow to our offense (especially with Watkins' inability to stay on the field).

I know tyreeks dont grow on trees, but we need something semi-close to maintain stability in what Andy likes to accomplish with the offense

Veach ain’t drafting a RB!! Also to get Metcalf we would have to trade up

I've seen a lot of not so great post and false narratives around here but one of the worst is those saying Chiefs are done with out Hill.
Teams have been winning super bowls with out Hill every year.
There is also no guarantee the Chiefs even would have got there with him.
Yes, he is a difference maker and we won't be able to replace Tyreek's overall game, but stop with the Chiefs can't win with out him.
Thanks for this thread. We have future HOF QB, lets enjoy this time and be optimistic about the future years and stop crying over a guy that is a bad human being

What’s Dwayne Bowe up to these days

Him or Parris and if you have to trade up and abandon corner, so be it.

WR is our #1 priority right now.

We can roll with what we have in the secondary much more than wide receiver.

this is true, but lots of teams run those types of plays without Tyreek. What you need for that threat is real speed; and all of the guys on Pug's list fit that bill, especially the sub 4.4. guys.

I believe Metcalf can learn routes. If he can learn routes he’s Calvin Johnson. If not he’s Dwayne Bowe

Let us not forget that Dwayne Bowe did have 150 catches, 2000 yards, and 12 TDs in his first 2 seasons.

If Metcalf can be that, draft him NOW.

What are your thoughts on Hakeem Butler?

The problem is that we would have to trade up and almost certainly give up our other second round pick

And that was with absolute dogshit at QB!!!

If we were to draft a WR I think Deebo Samuel is a good choice and Parris Campbell is probably the closest thing to Tyreek we could hope for.

Fine.

I mean, I know the guy is a punch line now but look at his seasons where he managed to stay healthy. Dude had 72 rec, 1100 yards, and 15 TDs with Matt freaking Cassel at QB.

If we could get Dwayne Bowe right now, imagine how much that would help?

Trying to "replace" Hill is a fool's errand. He's a generational talent.

They need to focus on getting good WR's. Not the next Tyreek Hill.

Tricky question.

I like him. He's got good speed for his size, but doesn't have elite speed by any means. He doesn't have to be wide open because he will just body up and make grabs, go over top of DB's, etc.

I'm probably biased though because I'm an ISU fan.

The question is whether someone without elite speed helps Mahomes. It seems like one of the main reasons Tyreek was so lethal, is that he was paired with a guy who has a big arm. Big arm + elite speed worked for us. It allowed us to stretch the field, which helped Kelce, RB's, Sammy, etc.

Butler can stretch the field, but in a different way. The DB might be running step for step with him, but Butler will go up and grab it and there's no way to stop a 6'6" dude like that from snatching it up.

He did run a 4.48 at the combine, so in no way am I saying he's slow. He's just not like Tyreek at all.

I really wish people would stop with the "we need to find a Hill replacement". There isn't one. Go draft the best WR out there and change your offense.

I was a minute too late.

What time is the Frank Clark press conference?

I realize that. Hill is a one of a kind WR. Samuel and Campbell are my choices for the Chiefs. I think Campbell could be good with all the pre-snap motion stuff the Hill does and would be the best fit for the Chiefs.

I don't know man. Parris has a lot of similarities. Track guy who was a running back. Ran a 4.3 and misused in college. He doesn't demonstrate the tracking ability of Hill and isn't quite as strong but then again instead of beating up babies he is a team captain and sociology major.

Don’t think anyone is expecting Hill to be replaced—but you look at that list in the OP, there are a LOT of fast guys who could at least do some of the horizontal motion stuff that Reek did. If they want that to remain in their offense to a large degree.

I have ZERO doubts that Andy Reid will use a scheme that best fits whoever his receivers are. But I also know that they’re going to want a burner to stretch the field badly. You need that with Mahomes because his arm is a threat from anywhere.

Just because we can't find a Tyreek doesn't mean we can't find another really good receiver. I trust Andy and Veach to find a good WR that can fit into our offense if they deem it necessary.

Preferably no more guys with personality disorders or child/woman beaters please.

Maybe a pipe dream but does Veach get on the phone with Cincinnati now about AJ Green?